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you are probably right.. if it will work for me probably i would end up with a lot of batteries.
I'm thinking of buying for start a kit, 2 spare atomizers, one spare battery and some blank carts, the juice i will buy locally - i hope this parts will last 2-3 months?

There are never too many atomisers. I would suggest to get 3 extras, just to be safe. Another 1-2 batteries should be just fine. Depending on the number of extra batteries you get, you may want to get an extra charger as well. Carrying cases don't hurt as well, if its your thing.

Why buy the juice separately? The local juice that you buy are likely to be bought from China anyway. Perhaps for a specific type of flavor, you could get it locally. Otherwise, get your liquid together with your e-cig purchase to save money.
 

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Ok, I want to post this here in order to clarify that is nearly impossible that you can damage your battery if liquid goes into it. At least it is my conclusion of what I saw.

First of all, the bronze part goes about 6 mm into the battery case. Inside the bronze part, there is a kind of plastic mic that fit very well in the bronze cavity and it is glued with a kind of rubber that not only will protect the battery from any liquid to go inside it, but also protects the wires that make the electric contact with the bronze. Then, after the mic, there is also rubber glue that seals the sides of the inner case of the battery and protects the chips that are there from leaking liquid.

So, I think it is quite difficult that you can kill the battery because a short circuit with liquid leaking into it.

Now, what maybe can happen is the liquid can leek into the Mic trough the small hole at the side of the bronze part. If that is the case, the drag will be very hard. Also, If that hole is not clean, the drag will be very hard and if it does not allow enough air flow, the battery would not work at all.

So my recommendation is to maintain that little hole as clean as possible. I use a needle to "clean" inside it, just pushing the needle into it. That will clear the air path from impurities and also the rust of the bronze. After that, I can have an easier drag since I am clearing the air path into the battery.

Now, regarding the Atty:

I have done some "resistance" test of the attys and I am convinced that they are not as delicate as everyone think they are.

I have connected a power line directly to the atty and I have go as far as 12 volts (I burned that atty, but after about 3 minutes of 12 volts constant power).

These kind of "experiments" have show me that you can not "kill" the atty if it goes dry of liquid with just the power of the battery and dragging! I have dried the atty with a 6 volts constant power supply for more that 5 minutes without a problem! and not just one time but several times.

As a mater of fact I have done that when I start to feel that I need a harder drag to keep my battery on when dragging. What I do, is to drop about 3 or 4 drops of H2O2 in the atty and then hit the atty with 6 volts (500 mA 9W) of constant power until the atty start leaking "liquid" from behind and also from the wire mesh. That liquid is darker that my original liquid (I only use MB liquid from the original prefilled carts from Smoore). I hold the power about 30 secs to 1 minute more and then clean the leaking with a paper towel. I will wait until the atty is cool again, flush it with some water, dry it with a paper towel, hit it again with 6 volts until it is dry, and then I got a the softer, cleaner, tastier drag that a e-cig can give me with huge amount of vapor

Note: for this first “wonderful” drags I have to drip the atty with not just 2 or 3 drops of e-liquid, I have to add a lot more, by try and error, until I got the proper drag! I think that the inner mesh inside the atty have to be wet with liquid before you can get a decent drag.

So, my point is that these little fellows are not as week as we think!

These are my experiences and I hope they help you. But, please think that since I am not an electrician, not a scientific or something like that, but have a bunch of spares at low prices (Wholesaler prices since I am a supplier in Colombia) I can afford the risk of experiments without the proper knowledge!

If you want to try my methods, it is at your own risk!

BYE and Sorry for my English!!
 

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Now, what maybe can happen is the liquid can leek into the Mic trough the small hole at the side of the bronze part. If that is the case, the drag will be very hard. Also, If that hole is not clean, the drag will be very hard and if it does not allow enough air flow, the battery would not work at all.


I can see that makes a lot of sense. The center hole of the battery "kisses" the center hole of the atomizer and when screwed on would only be able to leak into that center hole of the batt. Since that is so open I can see why there would be protection of the inner bits. Could it be that batteries poof out because the atty is not screwed on tightly to the bat and juice can seep into the little "mote" surrounding the atty's center hole.. and then leak that way into the little side hole of the battery? I ask because I always make sure they are scewed tight and have never seen gunk buildup and have also not had any problems...

And also... if people have dead batteries lying around (if you gave up on them because they were too hard to draw even switching atomizers) and have not tossed them yet.... would you try the cleaning/poking with the needle in the litte side hole and tell us what happens?

cure:

After looking at all that, is it possible to put the needle too far in and damage anything that way? .. or can you just let it poke in till it hits resistance? I want to know what is best for the battery if I get into this situation (though so far everything is clean as a whistle have not even got any liquid in the center hole of the battery.

I think that the inner mesh inside the atty have to be wet with liquid before you can get a decent drag.

I get GREAT drag and vapor consistently since i have been dipping. The mesh sucks it up till it can't suck anymore so i guess it saturates the inner mesh as well, but never over fills or spills or anything, thus keeping the whole unit cleaner. I am sure many people prefer using the carts... but it seems to me the atty knows best what it can handle and we are all just guessing when dripping on it, topping off carts... refilling carts.. getting juice in our mouths when everything is too saturated... etc... causing liquid to leak out of the center hole "kissing" the battery and into the center hole of the battery... then when you unscrew the atomizer things get messy.. or you don't have them screwed together tightly and leakage leakage leakage! messing with carts is a messy business. I bow to the dipping god..:evil:

and i ramble:oops:

p.s.. your English is fine... no worries
 
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cure:

After looking at all that, is it possible to put the needle too far in and damage anything that way? .. or can you just let it poke in till it hits resistance? I want to know what is best for the battery if I get into this situation (though so far everything is clean as a whistle have not even got any liquid in the center hole of the battery.

No, you will have to push the needle too hard for that. In fact I think the needle will give up before you can do any harm to the battery. You would have to go trough the plastic of the mic in order to reach any electric part. So, do not worry about it.

The leaking in the center hole of the battery will not harm it. You may fill that your drag is making a sound like "Bubbles" and that’s all. Also, I think you can loose some battery power because it is possible to have a "short circuit" with the liquid touching the inner center of the battery with the outer part of the battery. But this short circuit will not kill the battery at all. In fact, the coil is a short circuit.
 

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Well ruuku you were right. I would have had it yesterday if someone had been home to get it. Had to wait till 11am to pick it up today. Everything is perfect. Both kits, blank carts, extra atomizers and Liquid, all intact. So technically that would have been 6days from order to door. AEC is Awesome. Didnt get them plugged in till 1230 so by 830pm I should be vaping.

One question, and ive read this a few times but wanted to clarify. The lite on the chargers started blinking from red to green after about 2hrs. Do i just leave them to continue on till the 8hr initial charge is up?

Thanx again to everyone on here. I want to sitdown and watch spikeys vids again but ive got honey-do's to finish up. Just wanted to through out an update for everyone.
 

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I have just got to say WOW!! Loaded up one of the marlboro's that came with my kit and ill be dam if it didnt taste like a marlboro. Sat vaping off and on during a movie on the couch, 2 hrs later the vapor started tapering off. So i dropped a couple drips of the marlboro that came with the sampler pack into the cart and bam, goodsize clouds again. Now i must say, i didnt get the burning, nasty taste that was supposed to be associated with the removal of the atty coating. Unless im so taste dead from analogs i just couldnt tell, lolol.

Just loaded up a blank with some of the vanilla and used a different atomizer since i read that mixing flavors was not recommended. Its ok, nothing to brag about unless this atty is causing funky tastes from the coating. Not much of a throat hit or lung hit on the vanilla. But the preloaded marlboro that came with the kits had a nice throat hit and taste. After i topped it off with the marlb juice, started gettin some lung hits as well.

As soon as i get back to my main PC, ill make a youtube vid and show you guys the fun im having thanx to all of you!!!

I just hope i dont Nic OD on this vanilla from lack of throat/lung hit lololol. Gettin a good amount of vapor though.
Ill keep yall up to date as my experiences happen.

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Lack of throat hit has been one of the constant problems with vanilla liquid, but I've heard that TW's vanilla has a throat hit. Glad to hear that your 401 is working properly, as Need has been having some major problems after he got his. Silver: 1 recommendation, although a little late, try blowing out the primer fluid by using a paper towel against the atomizer wick, and blowing from the battery end. This clears out any excess primer fluid, and helps to "burn" through it faster. You're pretty much the first person I've heard that finds the Marlboro actually taste like a Marlboro. I always thought that it was a little sweeter than an actual cigarette, but I'm glad you (so far) like vaping. Hopefully I'll be getting my Liquid from AEC soon, I'm really looking forward to comparing their liquid.
 

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Glad to know you're enjoying it. I've only tried vanilla in carts before. Its a fragrant flavor and i got a big throat hit from it. Actually, i got a bigger hit than my Marlboro carts. Weird, huh...... The only thing was i don't see myself vaping full time with it. Marlboro for me, is the perfect balance and is my choice for full time vaping.
 

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Thanx guys. ruuku: You are right, its just a little bit sweeter than a normal cig, but the taste is like a marlb medium. Thanx for the advice on the attys. Ive got my 2 spares that i have yet to open so i will use that advice when i open them. And i got the new attys like the pic on the previous page with the plastic looking thing under the mesh. I dont know if that has anything to do with my initial experience being so pleasant or not. Im attributing it to all the wonderful advice found on this forum and my endless thirst for knowledge about things im interested in, ollololol

Fedor: I havent tried the coffee, mint or cherry outta the sampler pack. Im not a big fan of coffee or cherries to begin with, so those might just stay unused. Maybe ill try them someday if i get bored or run out of Marlboro juice lolol. Im gonna have to agree with you, i like the marlboro carts/juice alot!!!
I might try the mint today at mom's day bbq. We shall see.

Im sure at some point ill want to get into mix and matching my own juice/pg/vg, but for now im having a great experience with what i got.

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lol prr2freya the way you ramble I think you're over nic'd like me :D :p

I've been dipping exclusively with the new style atty and it's great. I got a contacts case and have 0 nic in one side and 36/12 in the other side.

Question:

We are HUGE coffee drinkers (all day long yankee style) and since vaping I drink very little coffee. It's like I'm buzzed enough on the constant vaping. I'm up to 3 batteries a day now :evil:

any other coffee or soda caffeine drinkers noticed a reduced desire for caffeine?

Thx Cure for the tips! I think the newer batteries have an enhanced mic in them and seem to perform much better with the new atty. The reason I think the mic is improved is, when I place them down on something hard they light up on their own. The old batteries didn't do that.

Still reviewing larger capacity e-cigs, but one thing I've read about the M style mini's is that they drag great till they drag no more, versus some penstyles that vape great for a few hits and then decrease as they go.

lovin the new attys and batteries. and DIPPING. no more hassle with carts.... although, I've gotten pretty good at dripping and refilling carts while driving ;) on the hwy at least :cool:

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lol prr2freya the way you ramble I think you're over nic'd like me :D :p

lovin the new attys and batteries. and DIPPING. no more hassle with carts.... although, I've gotten pretty good at dripping and refilling carts while driving ;) on the hwy at least :cool:

only in emergencies


yeah.. I got some empty carts for "just in case" as well. I have not used them yet... but I have em~_*

And yes.. I was a bit too nic'd up.. But I think I am getting a handle on it now:)
 

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LOL @ driving and dripping need2quit. I was coming down the mountain from my moms and dripped my cart to get me home, lol. that was an interesting first time experience. i just love the fact with my mate in the truck, ac cranked, windows up...i can vape and not bother her, not have to roll the window down...nothing.

I had to spend most of today explaining the blue led black stick in my mouth to everyone, but it was really easy thanx to the info i obtained from here and my very limited experience. I let the smokers of the family try out the marlboro carts and im pretty sure i hooked a couple more.

Fedor, still loving just the marlboro. Tried the mint, gave the vanilla another shot. Just not my thing. the Marlboro from AEC is the bomb.

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Hey all you 401 old timers. Do any of you remember the wicking material in the old 'stick and cup' style carts being different? I just got a shipment of the older carts and not only do they draw better but the wicking material is great. It is kind of like a stiffer version of the fluval foam pads. Works nice and I am trying to figure out if that was typical or if it is an addition from where I order them (I emailed so if it is a supplier mod I will let you all know). I might actually vape from carts again without swearing.
 

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Hey all you 401 old timers. Do any of you remember the wicking material in the old 'stick and cup' style carts being different? I just got a shipment of the older carts and not only do they draw better but the wicking material is great. It is kind of like a stiffer version of the fluval foam pads. Works nice and I am trying to figure out if that was typical or if it is an addition from where I order them (I emailed so if it is a supplier mod I will let you all know). I might actually vape from carts again without swearing.


where did you get the old style carts with the stick. I have been trying for awhile to get some more of them. I prefer the sick cup over the EVO & 3 prong carts,
 

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where did you get the old style carts with the stick. I have been trying for awhile to get some more of them. I prefer the sick cup over the EVO & 3 prong carts,

I think I got the info in this thread actually but they have some at:
electronic-cigz.com - Premium E-Cigarettes, Cartridges and Supplies

I e-mailed first and got a box with my last order ( I might have to order more now). They also claim to have extended life 401 batteries (a decent price when you buy two.) I have mine charging up now so I can't tell you if they really last longer yet but I am hoping.
 
Thank you all for the great advise and turning me on to the m402. I love it!
I ordered last week and received in about a week! I just had a couple of questions about the compatibility of the carts. I wanted to order some blanks to fill up with some flavored juice to try out and wondered if anyone could recommend a great site in the US where I can stock up that would fit my m402. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated

Thanks again
 

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Thank you all for the great advise and turning me on to the m402. I love it!
I ordered last week and received in about a week! I just had a couple of questions about the compatibility of the carts. I wanted to order some blanks to fill up with some flavored juice to try out and wondered if anyone could recommend a great site in the US where I can stock up that would fit my m402. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated

Thanks again


midwestvapor.com = $3.00 5 blank carts
 
Hey all you 401 old timers. Do any of you remember the wicking material in the old 'stick and cup' style carts being different? I just got a shipment of the older carts and not only do they draw better but the wicking material is great. It is kind of like a stiffer version of the fluval foam pads. Works nice and I am trying to figure out if that was typical or if it is an addition from where I order them (I emailed so if it is a supplier mod I will let you all know). I might actually vape from carts again without swearing.


I would like to try these if they are less a hassle so i have the option to carry filled carts around when the need arises. May I ask where you get them? I have heard about them but thought they were no longer available. I can't stand the current ones and LOVE dipping.. but it is good to be flexible when needed.
 
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