Mac Vs PC...Whatcha think????

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I used to build my own PC's and when you put together a system to run Windows with GOOD components, a new mac doesn't seem so expensive by comparison,

Your right, but no body wants to pay the price for a high end computer anymore. Unless your into graphics or a gamer no one knows these Bics are worthless, well... designed to check mail and post on sites. High end, Im talking about old school where we take that 2800 Athlon OC it to a 3200 oh and you cant be an egghead without dumping water into that the PC. OH Yeah if you got a water cooled, your not just using it for twitter!! :)

I got to water cool one Mac, couldn't tell you what he had running in it.. I know it wasn't special, he only wanted it for the looks.

Im also sorry about your Dry Cart post, maybe a mod can split our junk and keep the topic where it should of been.

I think we need an V4L egghead section.. LOL
 

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Apparently you do, because OSX (sans snow leopard) does not have right-click enabled out of the box.

Reference? I work on Macs and PC's for a living. This doesn't mean that I work on only failed macs and pc's, as 50% of my job consists of setting up new units.

When I got my macbook pro it came with Leopard, I plugged my logitech mouse and the right click worked out of the box. same thing when I upgraded to Snow Leopard. I don't even know how I can remove the right click with the mac mouse setting.
 

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You are either exaggerating or you are wrong, choose your poison. This is not an OS issue, this is a mechanical issue. No operating system in the world can override the mechanical response to the requests made by the user.

I am sure you are aware of the amount of system resources used by both OS's. Outside of a linux machine(which I would run on if I had time to learn about it) The mac wins hands down. My last version of windows was Vista, and by running applications I mean having them open at the same time. I guess i wasn't clear enough. Vista would lag on everything and that was with 2 gigs of ram(The same amount I am running on my mac) and I haven't seen any reduction in performance.
 

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When I got my macbook pro it came with Leopard, I plugged my logitech mouse and the right click worked out of the box. same thing when I upgraded to Snow Leopard. I don't even know how I can remove the right click with the mac mouse setting.

Did the right click on the MBP itself work right out of the box? The reason I ask is because I've used probably 500 new macbooks in the past 6 months and not a single one of them had right click enabled out of the box. If you hooked up a 3rd party mouse and it worked then that's a different story.

To enable right-click you have to go into the track pad settings and disable the "two fingers on trackpad" function.

I am sure you are aware of the amount of system resources used by both OS's. Outside of a linux machine(which I would run on if I had time to learn about it) The mac wins hands down. My last version of windows was Vista, and by running applications I mean having them open at the same time. I guess i wasn't clear enough. Vista would lag on everything and that was with 2 gigs of ram(The same amount I am running on my mac) and I haven't seen any reduction in performance.

Which is exactly why I my hatred for Vista runs so deep. It's also why my appreciation for 7 is great. I have personally seen Windows 7 Pro running XP Mode (which is just a virtual machine) on just 512mb's of memory. This is on a system that requires double that to even be installed. Windows 7 is simply the best OS I have ever used, and that includes several flavors of linux, Mac os' from the "Classic" OS (I grew up on macs), and from win 3.1.

It's pretty impressive when even Mac fan websites rate a Microsoft OS almost as high as OSX.
 

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By the way, I'd like to make it clear that I'm not a mac hater at all. As far as graphics editing/audio editing/etc is concerned there simply is no alternative. This has nothing to do with the superiority of the hardware, rather it has to do with the fact that Apple has such a small portion of the market (10%) that there is not a huge need for antivirus to be installed. This frees up resources for what you're doing otherwise and allows for more processes to be run with a higher performance than on a PC.

Cliffs: 2gb's of mem on a mac = 1.5 gb's on mac, whereas 2gb's on a pc = 1gb on a pc. More resources must be used for the precautionary measures.

Well, I agreed with your previous post but differ with you on this one. I have a new Windows 7 system on the bench being prepped for a customer. It has (at this time) 16 programs installed, (with AV software) including some in memory and still is only using 800MB of physical memory. (out of the 3GB available) Good hardware will win every time so long as you have at least 2GB of memory on a 32-bit system.

As for (the MAC) there being no alternative for video and graphics editing, that's flat wrong. Maybe you have tried to compare a MAC with a substandard PC. I build a lot of video and audio editing systems and there isn't a MAC available at any cost that can beat most of my systems. For graphcs/video compiling/ripping there is no comparison. As I mentioned in another post a packaging company is using their PCs for the heavy duty work that their MACs (which cost over twice as much and are newer), can't do as quickly.

The problem with PCs is that there is so much crap out there that can give PCs a bad name. The edge Apple has is that they control everything.

But with the PCs I can configure a system for the job at hand, everything is customized.
 

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Did the right click on the MBP itself work right out of the box? The reason I ask is because I've used probably 500 new macbooks in the past 6 months and not a single one of them had right click enabled out of the box. If you hooked up a 3rd party mouse and it worked then that's a different story.

To enable right-click you have to go into the track pad settings and disable the "two fingers on trackpad" function.



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One thing is for sure, I never deactivated the 2 finger on the trackpad.

I'm using the 2 finger trackpad and the right click fonction on my logitech MX revolution mouse without any driver for the mouse.
 

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All I have to say is I am not a computer nerd. I do what I need to do, download music, watch and make movies, and surf the hell out of the web. I dont car what anyone says... Macs are easier to live with for these tasks. Faster, more secure, and trouble free. Others may NEED a PC for other operations but for the average computer savy Joe, I think Mac's the way to go.

Hey that rhymed! lol
 

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Well, I agreed with your previous post but differ with you on this one. I have a new Windows 7 system on the bench being prepped for a customer. It has (at this time) 16 programs installed, (with AV software) including some in memory and still is only using 800MB of physical memory. (out of the 3GB available) Good hardware will win every time so long as you have at least 2GB of memory on a 32-bit system.

As for (the MAC) there being no alternative for video and graphics editing, that's flat wrong. Maybe you have tried to compare a MAC with a substandard PC. I build a lot of video and audio editing systems and there isn't a MAC available at any cost that can beat most of my systems. For graphcs/video compiling/ripping there is no comparison. As I mentioned in another post a packaging company is using their PCs for the heavy duty work that their MACs (which cost over twice as much and are newer), can't do as quickly.

I apologize, I shouldn't have made it seem as though my math was any more than a simple representation of how each OS manages its resources. My point was that on a Mac you generally don't have as many security-related processes active the entire time that you're using it, which means that there are more resources at the disposal of whatever program that you're running. This is exactly why I say that there is no other option when it comes to digital editing..

I do recognize that PC's are just as capable (if not more considering the hardware is easier to upgrade), but you have to choose at that point; Do I A) keep this computer off the internet, B) Put forth an insanely strict security policy, C) put a ton of money into hardware to make it extremely fast and still able run the security needed, D) just buy a Mac and be done with it.

If it were me? The mac would already be bought.


The problem with PCs is that there is so much crap out there that can give PCs a bad name. The edge Apple has is that they control everything.

But with the PCs I can configure a system for the job at hand, everything is customized.

The problem with PC's is that a majority of their users are idiots that have no idea what they're doing. To make it better they generally blame all the crap that they tear up on Windows, when in reality it was their clicking on every pr0n site google came up with that caused the pop-ups and fake antivirus they see all day long.

On the other side of the coin Mac fans start having problems and immediately blame themselves because they think that their computer can do no wrong.

Somewhere in the middle the truth exists. OS' can be problematic (Vista being a resource hog/Snow Leopard crashing and freezing), but 98% of the issues that we hear about are all caused by the user.

One thing is for sure, I never deactivated the 2 finger on the trackpad.

I'm using the 2 finger trackpad and the right click fonction on my logitech MX revolution mouse without any driver for the mouse.

You're mistaken. When you first plugged in your mouse the drivers automatically install, which is why it "just worked." It's also exactly why I asked if your built-in trackpad had the right-click functionality straight out of the box.

All I have to say is I am not a computer nerd. I do what I need to do, download music, watch and make movies, and surf the hell out of the web. I dont car what anyone says... Macs are easier to live with for these tasks. Faster, more secure, and trouble free. Others may NEED a PC for other operations but for the average computer savy Joe, I think Mac's the way to go.

Hey that rhymed! lol

You're absolutely right, as long as you recognize why Macs are more secure is not because the OS is more advanced in any way (quite the contrary), rather that people don't want to attack 1 computer when they can attack 9.

If you were to test both side by side? PC's are infinitely more secure than a Mac. It's part of Microsoft's actual effort in keeping people secure rather than just relying on no one caring.
 

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love my PC's... yet I can't live without my iphone.
There's another battle....iphone vs. Blackberry.....ding ding ding ding.....My blackberry can download just about anything from any website without having to hook my phone and go through the appstore which means I can download music for free and I can run a bunch of apps at the same time and just switch between them instead of having to hit the "home button" and start another app.....how about that rocks82??:p:D
 

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There's another battle....iphone vs. Blackberry.....ding ding ding ding.....My blackberry can download just about anything from any website without having to hook my phone and go through the appstore which means I can download music for free and I can run a bunch of apps at the same time and just switch between them instead of having to hit the "home button" and start another app.....how about that rocks82??:p:D

I have to say that while I do like BB's very much, I'd have a hard time choosing one over an iPhone. That being said I currently have an Omnia running S2U2 and SBP shell and I challenge any iPhone in any test sans how many apps are in the app store.

I was also lucky enough to play with a Droid not too long ago and I was beyond impressed. It is literally faster on the internet than my laptop is. Amazing speed.
 
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