Macon, Georgia attempting to pass smoking / e-cig indoor ban

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Thanks to Bill Godshall for recommending we investigate a few proposed smoking bans he read about in the news.

Georgia: Macon City Council Public Safety Committee Passes Proposed Smoking Ban
The Public Safety Committee of the Macon City Council in Georgia recently passed an ordinance that would prohibit smoking in public places, including bars, restaurants, private clubs and parking garages, while exempting tobacco shops, live-in health care facilities and outdoor seating areas at restaurants. Councilwoman Nancy White, who co-sponsored the measure, said the proposed ban, which would close "some of the loop-holes in the State wide ordinance passed in 2005," could take effect as early as September 1, 2011, if the full council passes it. The full council is likely to vote on the measure on April 19th (13 WMAZ Macon 4/11).

While this article did not mention it, e-cigarettes ARE included in the final bill, which I've attached.

View attachment 20110414164113835.pdf

Only two ECF members with more than one post are listed as being from Macon, Georgia. I've sent out PMs to both of them.

This is NOT a Board of Health vote. This is a City Council vote, albeit one in a part of Georgia that seems to be comparatively liberal to the rest of the state.
 

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We should urge these legislators to offer and/or support an amendment that would remove electronic cigarettes from the bill. Because this is a smoking AND e-cigarette ban bill, we should not flat-out encourage them to vote against the bill -- as we've done with other ban attempts, we need to tailor our message to this circumstance. If an amendment is offered and these legislators have to vote on it, even if the original bill passes, at least the people of Macon, Georgia will be able to find out which of their representatives are rational human beings.

City Council Members:

Rick Hutto, Ward 1, Post 1
(478) 738-9777
rick.hutto@macon.ga.us

Lonnie Miley, Ward 1, Post 2
(478) 742-1558
lonnie.miley@macon.ga.us

Elaine Lucas, Ward 1, Post 3
(478) 779-2550
elaine.lucas@macon.ga.us

James Timley, Ward 2, Post 1
(478) 474-1668
james.timley@macon.ga.us

Mike Cranford, Ward 2, Post 2
(478) 746-0704
mike.cranford@macon.ga.us

Ed Defore, Ward 2, Post 3
(478) 474-0754
ed.defore@macon.ga.us

Larry Schlesinger, Ward 3, Post 1
(478) 741-7745
larry.schlesinger@macon.ga.us

Henry C. Ficklin (Pastor), Ward 3, Post 2
478-745-4010

Tom Ellington (Professor), Ward 3, Post 3
tom.ellington@macon.ga.us
(478) 757-3797

Miriam Paris, Ward 4, Post 1
(478) 742-0406
miriam.paris@macon.ga.us

Charles Jones, Ward 4, Post 2
(478) 785-9100
charles.jones@macon.ga.us

Virgil Watkins, Jr., Ward 4, Post 3
(478) 335-7809
virgil.watkins@macon.ga.us

Lauren Benedict, Ward 5, Post 1
(478) 746-4422
lauren.benedict@macon.ga.us

Nancy White (Doctor), Ward 5, Post 2
(478) 743-8141
nancy.white@macon.ga.us

Beverly Blake, Ward 5, Post 3
(478) 301-5011
beverly.blake@macon.ga.us
 
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Wonderful new resource Elaine!

Can I make one suggestion, though? A couple of statements in the second main section, read in isolation, might be a bit confusing - possibly allowing readers to think you refer to e-cigs when you refer to pharm products. For example, with my suggested potential additions in red:

“Smokers have more safe, effective medications to help them quit.” –Campaign for Tobacco-
Free Kids, May 11, 2006.

If that’s true, why did 91% of electronic cigarette users previously try over and over to
quit, with over 21% trying more than 10 times to do so?

Why did only 1% of cessation medication users find they helped them to stop smoking
completely?
 
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Here is the letter I sent to Macon City Council members.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Godshall
To: nancy.white@macon.ga.us ; rick.hutto@macon.ga.us ; lonnie.miley@macon.ga.us ; elaine.lucas@macon.ga.us ; james.timley@macon.ga.us ; mike.cranford@macon.ga.us ; ed.defore@macon.ga.us ; larry.schlesinger@macon.ga.us ; tom.ellington@macon.ga.us ; miriam.paris@macon.ga.us ; charles.jones@macon.ga.us ; virgil.watkins@macon.ga.us ; lauren.benedict@macon.ga.us ; beverly.blake@macon.ga.us
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 6:35 PM
Subject: Please amend definition of "smoking" in proposed smokefree workplace for accuracy and to improve public health


Dear Macon City Council members:

Please amend the definition of "smoking" [Sec. 13-39(a)(20)] in Macon's proposed smokefree workplace ordinance to eliminate its current ban on electronic cigarette usage since e-cigarettes emit No Smoke, pose no known health risks to users or nonusers, appear to be at least 99% less hazardous than cigarettes, and have helped hundreds of thousands of smokers quit or sharply reduce cigarette consumption.

While Smokefree Pennsylvania strongly supports Macon's proposal to ban smoking in one hundred or so workplaces (that are currently exempt from Georgia's smokefree workplace law), there is no public health justification for banning the use of smokefree e-cigarettes in tens of thousands of Macon workplaces, and it is insincere to define the use of smokefree products as "smoking".

Banning the use of e-cigarettes in workplaces can harm public health because it would compel current e-cigarette consumers to inhale hazardous tobacco smoke pollution (at outdoor smoking areas), would encourage some e-cigarette consumers to switch back to lethal tobacco cigarettes, and would discourage smokers from reducing their health risks by switching to or substituting e-cigarettes. Besides, the "purpose" and "whereas" sections of the proposed ordinance don't mention e-cigarettes.

Since 1990, Smokefree Pennsylvania has advocated public policies to protect people from tobacco smoke pollution, reduce tobacco marketing to youth, increase cigarette tax rates, preserve civil justice remedies for injured smokers, increase funding for smoking prevention and cessation programs, and inform smokers that smokefree tobacco/nicotine products are far less hazardous alternatives to cigarettes. For disclosure, neither Smokefree Pennsylvania or I have ever received any funding from tobacco, drug or e-cigarette companies or trade associations.

Recent published studies have found that e-cigarettes pose exponentially fewer health risks than cigarettes because they emit no tobacco smoke, carbon monixide or airborne particulates, and they also relieve cravings of smokers.
Ecigarette mist harmless, inhaled or exhaled
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...eissenberg-study-vindicates-e-cigarettes.html
http://www.healthnz.co.nz/2010 Bullen ECig.pdf
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/centers-institutes/population-development/files/article.jphp.pdf
SEIKATSUEISEI : Vol. 55 (2011) , No. 1 p.59-64

About 500,000 smokers in Ameria have quit smoking or sharply reduced cigarette consumption by switching to e-cigarettes in the past several years, and many/most e-cigarette consumers have found the products effective for quitting smoking and improving respiratory health, which has confirmed by several recently published surveys at
http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pdf/1471-2458-10-231.pdf
THR2010. (tobaccoharmreduction.org) (chapter 9)
http://www.ajpm-online.net/webfiles/images/journals/amepre/AMEPRE3013.pdf

In 2006, I coauthored a comprehensive scientific report "Tobacco harm reduction: an alternative cessation strategy for inveterate smokers" at Harm Reduction Journal | Full text | Tobacco harm reduction: an alternative cessation strategy for inveterate smokers and in 2007 the Royal College of Physicians
issued a similar report "Harm reduction in nicotine addiction; Helping people who can't quit" at http://www.rcplondon.ac.uk/pubs/contents/e226ee0c-ccef-4dba-b62f-86f046371dfb.pdf

Last year, the American Association of Public Health Physicians similarly petitioned the FDA
Regulations.gov and
Regulations.gov urging the agency to classify e-cigarettes as tobacco products (in accordance with the 2009 FSPTCA), and to issue a correction/clarification of inaccurate/misleading information previously issued by the agency about e-cigarettes.

Consistently, in ruling that the FDA can only regulate e-cigarettes as tobacco products (not drug devices), Federal Judge Richard Leon pointed out that the FDA offered no evidence that e-cigarettes posed health risks https://ecf.dcd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/show_public_doc?2009cv0771-54 and in December the DC Court of Appeals upheld Judge Leon's ruling http://www.casaa.org/files/ct app opinion on injunction.pdf Smokefree Pennsylvania and I were among many public and consumer health advocates that filed an amici curiae brief
http://www.casaa.org/files/amicus brief smokefree.pdf with the Appeals Court in support of e-cigarettes.

Just last week, the New Zealand Ministry of Health informed the NZ Parliamentary Health Committee that e-cigarette usage is far safer than smoking E-cigarette - personal nicotine vapouriser and http://www.endsmoking.org.nz/MoH on ecigs etc.pdf According to the NZ Ministry of Health “As the e-cigarette delivers only nicotine in a mist of propylene glycol, without the other 4,000 or so other chemicals in tobacco smoke, it is far safer than smoking.” and "The current safety data would therefore suggest that the e-cigarette poses few risks to people, and is safer than continuing to smoke."

In sum, the rapidly mounting evidence indicates that usage of e-cigarettes by smokers substantially benefits both consumer and public health, there is no evidence that e-cigarettes pose any harm to users or nonusers, and that hundreds of thousands of smokers have already quit or sharply reduced cigarette consumption by switching to e-cigarettes.

Once again, Smokefree Pennsylvania encourages Macon City Council to correct and amend the definition of "smoking" in its proposed smokefree workplace ordinance by eliminating the proposed usage ban for smokefree e-cigarettes.

Feel free to contact me any time for more information or for clarification.

Sincerely,


William T. Godshall, MPH
Executive Director
Smokefree Pennsylvania
1926 Monongahela Avenue
Pittsburgh PA 15218
412-351-5880
smokefree@compuserve.com
 

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Wonderful new resource Elaine!

Can I make one suggestion, though? A couple of statements in the second main section, read in isolation, might be a bit confusing - possibly allowing readers to think you refer to e-cigs when you refer to pharm products. For example, with my suggested potential additions in red:

“Smokers have more safe, effective medications to help them quit.” –Campaign for Tobacco-
Free Kids, May 11, 2006.

If that’s true, why did 91% of electronic cigarette users previously try over and over to
quit, with over 21% trying more than 10 times to do so?

Why did only 1% of cessation medication users find they helped them to stop smoking
completely?

Suggested changes have been made.

View attachment Fears-v-Facts.pdf
 

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Got an e-mail from a Macon-area ally.

According to local TV, the ordinances committee meeting today voted to not put the entire proposal on the agenda. Full council could override that tomorrow, but there were other problems raised and it sounded like the tobacco smokers and bar owners were pretty adamant. :)

Not surprising considering how terribly written the legislation is, not to mention the allegations of Open Meetings law violations.
 

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beingbekah, looks like you don't need to attend. Please keep your ear to the ground though.

Macon smoking ban hits snag - Local & State - Macon.com

Tighter restrictions on smoking, which forged through Macon City Council committee last week, won’t appear on Tuesday’s full council agenda. Confused and histrionic arguments in an Ordinances and Resolutions Committee meeting Monday, including Councilman Mike Cranford’s half-joking threat to burn “cow poop incense” on the council floor, may drive it back for another round of committee debate.

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Councilman Henry Ficklin said he got a call from someone who supports the ban, but wants an exemption for electronic cigarettes. Those deliver a dose of nicotine to the smoker, and emit vapor, but no carcinogenic smoke.

Councilwoman Lauren Benedict said such an exemption would make it harder to enforce the rest of the ban, since electronic cigarettes look much like the real thing.

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Benedict, one of the bill’s co-sponsors, said it’s been heavily publicized as it moved through committee. Concerned citizens could have come to address council then, instead of calling or sending e-mails after the fact, she said. Many of the questions raised Monday had been answered in committee, but those who objected Monday hadn’t been present for those discussions, Benedict said.

“It just appears to be a delay tactic that we’re witnessing tonight,” she said.

Two chaotic votes to table the ordinance or formally send it back to committee failed, but eventually only Benedict and Council President Miriam Paris voted to place it on Tuesday’s council agenda. Its ultimate fate -- and current level of support -- remains unclear.

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When I spoke to Councilman Cranford, I did bring up the absurdity of allowing people to smoke non-tobacco products (i.e., a hookah bar exemption) but forbidding the use of electronic cigarettes.

Benedict, who did not return my calls on Friday and Monday, is being disingenuous if she is claiming that e-cigarettes being included in the bill was highly publicized. I discovered this after personally calling the City Council office and requesting a PDF copy of the ordinance.
 

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The CASAA Call to Action page has been updated, adding one missing email address, correcting another, and changing two of the phone numbers. CASAA.org

Here, in a nutshell is the updated information.

CALL TO ACTION LIST:
Elaine Lucas' number is (478) 257-6767
Larry Schlesinger's number is 478-719-1257
Ficklin's e-mail is hcfick@cox.net
Blake's e-mail is blake@knightfoundation.org
 

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On Monday night, the Ordinances and Resolution Committee voted to remove the vote on the smoking and e-cigarette indoor ban from the agenda for Tuesday night's meeting. Their concern was that the sponsors of the smoking ban had not reached out and invite parties affected by the bill (i.e., bars and restaurants) to attend and speak at Committee hearings. Tonight, the majority of the City Council -- somewhere between 7 and 9 members -- voted to hear the matter anyway. The bill passed, with 6 City Council members voting against it.

Smoking in Macon Businesses will be a Thing of the Past | NewsCentralGA.com | Your Source for Local News | FOX24 & ABC16 | WGXA - Macon Macon, Ga | Local News

At the moment, I have no other details. I do not know if the majority of the City Council pushed through a vote on this measure without allowing any amendments to be offered. I do not even know if e-cigarettes were discussed at all.

What I do know is that in conversations I had on Monday, two legislators stated that they would offer an amendment to remove e-cigarettes from the bill. I will attempt to get details tomorrow. In the meantime, CASAA has been in touch with two Macon-area news outlets, and it's likely there will be stories about the inclusion of e-cigarettes in this bill.

To those who were going to make it out, namely Bekah and BG, I apologize for believing that this would be off the table. I knew your drive to Macon wasn't going to be short, so I didn't ask you to still go. From all the phone calls I've made since Friday, my honest appraisal of the situation was that 6-7 would vote in favor of removing e-cigarettes, but that the other 7-8 members were stuck in their ways. Earlier today I had a legislator tell me via e-mail that she would not support an amendment to remove e-cigarettes because "they contain tobacco." When I asked for clarification, she didn't respond.

Macon, Georgia Everyone -- Using an e-cigarette? Take that outside. Lighting a non-tobacco product on fire and blowing it into the air around you? Come on in!
 

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Despite the bill being removed from the agenda the night before, the City Council nonetheless voted 8-6 to take up the bill, and then 9-6 to approve it.

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Hey everyone, it's Greg from CASAA.

On Monday night, the Ordinances and Resolution Committee voted to remove the vote on the smoking and e-cigarette indoor ban from the agenda for Tuesday night's meeting. Their concern was that the sponsors of the smoking ban had not reached out and invite parties affected by the bill (i.e., bars and restaurants) to attend and speak at Committee hearings. Tonight, the majority of the City Council -- somewhere between 7 and 9 members -- voted to hear the matter anyway. The bill passed, with 6 City Council members voting against it.

At the moment, I have no other details. I do not know if the majority of the City Council pushed through a vote on this measure without allowing any amendments to be offered. I do not even know if e-cigarettes were discussed at all.

What I do know is that in conversations I had on Monday, two legislators stated that they would offer an amendment to remove e-cigarettes from the bill. I will attempt to get details tomorrow. In the meantime, CASAA has been in touch with two Macon-area news outlets, and it's likely there will be stories about the inclusion of e-cigarettes in this bill.

To those who were going to make it out, namely Bekah and BG, I apologize for believing that this would be off the table. I knew your drive to Macon wasn't going to be short, so I didn't ask you to still go. From all the phone calls I've made since Friday, my honest appraisal of the situation was that 6-7 would vote in favor of removing e-cigarettes, but that the other 7-8 members were stuck in their ways. Earlier today I had a legislator tell me via e-mail that she would not support an amendment to remove e-cigarettes because "they contain tobacco." When I asked for clarification, she didn't respond.

Macon, Georgia Everyone -- Using an e-cigarette? Take that outside. Lighting a non-tobacco product on fire and blowing it into the air around you? Come on in!

Allvoices.com - External Link -- The most detailed article on tonight's events.

Macon City Council Passes Smoking Ban | 13wmaz.com

Smoking in Macon Businesses will be a Thing of the Past | NewsCentralGA.com | Your Source for Local News | FOX24 & ABC16 | WGXA - Macon Macon, Ga | Local News

None of the articles mention e-cigarettes, which leads me to believe that an amendment was not offered to remove e-cigarettes from the bill. I'm disappointed, as I wanted the people of Macon to be able to see who voted for the smoking ban because they dislike smoke, and who voted for it because they don't want anything that resembles smoke.
 

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Despite the bill being removed from the agenda the night before, the City Council nonetheless voted 8-6 to take up the bill, and then 9-6 to approve it.

My post from Vapers Forum



Allvoices.com - External Link -- The most detailed article on tonight's events.

Macon City Council Passes Smoking Ban | 13wmaz.com

Smoking in Macon Businesses will be a Thing of the Past | NewsCentralGA.com | Your Source for Local News | FOX24 & ABC16 | WGXA - Macon Macon, Ga | Local News

None of the articles mention e-cigarettes, which leads me to believe that an amendment was not offered to remove e-cigarettes from the bill. I'm disappointed, as I wanted the people of Macon to be able to see who voted for the smoking ban because they dislike smoke, and who voted for it because they don't want anything that resembles smoke.

Just another house of cards being built - people effected need to get together and seek legal action. If they are passing these in the interest of public health, they need to PROVE that people using an ecigarette is harmful to those around them. (Nevermind suppositions that they are effecting the user... There's more evidence that a cell phone hurts the user and those around them than an ecig does).

If they base their laws on protecting people, and then it turns out that that is not the real reason for them - the house of cards falls.
 
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