Man tackled by concert security over eCig

[Oberon75]

This just happened at a Kid Rock concert here in Michigan. Security mistakes a man's ecig for a laser pointer. Security jumped on him and dragged him out of there.

DTE Security Confuses E-Cig for Laser, Tackle Man at Kid Rock [PHOTO] « 99.5 WYCD Detroit's Best Country

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[Rabbit Slayer]

oops

 

[Bad Ninja]

That's assault. Press charges now.
Security guards have zero authority to touch you.
A guard is a paid witness, that's it.

Most states requires a class and license to emphasize this.

They have no more authority than an average citizen.

Sue the security agency, the guards, the venue, and the concert promoter.

"This aggression will not stand, man!"
-The Dude

 

[dbrandt01]

I say we go post on DTE's facebook page. Scrolling through the last week of posts no apology, this deserves a public apology in my opinion and they should press charges for assault. The only thing I saw was the guy posted about it and they said to call them. They should get ripped a new one by vapers. I'm writing on their page.

 

[Froth]

That's assault. Press charges now.
Security guards have zero authority to touch you.
A guard is a paid witness, that's it.

Most states requires a class and license to emphasize this.

They have no more authority than an average citizen.

Sue the security agency, the guards, the venue, and the concert promoter.

"This aggression will not stand, man!"
-The Dude

Take it from me, as a guy who's married to a lawyer...This isn't terrible advice. In a venue such as that the security guard has no more right than an average citizen, they must use the general practices for a citizens arrest which don't include tackling or neck grabbing.

 

[mcclintock]

No more concerts then.

 

[skoony]

there might have been an over reaction and a apology might be in order.
however the notion that security guards can not touch you is not true.
these may be company policy rules for low level security but,it is not
law. you pay for the level of security you need or want.
a laser pointer need not have the power to even be capable of damaging
an eye. it can however blind one enough to cause distraction.
on a stage where wiring,amps,lights and, other props are present it would be
very easy to trip up over something and not only bang up your head
but,potentially destroy some very expensive equipment.
then there's the liability issue to the other concert goers.
if a threat is perceived security has every right to prevent it.
even if it means,"putting their hands on you".
crowd control is not the same job as your mall cop.
regards
mike

 

[Completely Average]

That's assault. Press charges now.
Security guards have zero authority to touch you.
A guard is a paid witness, that's it.

Most states requires a class and license to emphasize this.

They have no more authority than an average citizen.

Sue the security agency, the guards, the venue, and the concert promoter.

"This aggression will not stand, man!"
-The Dude

They must have different laws where you live. Where I live the odds are high that the security guard at a concert is an off duty police officer with a badge and gun, and full legal authority to enforce the law, use force if necessary, and make arrests.

 

[Bad Ninja]

there might have been an over reaction and a apology might be in order.
however the notion that security guards can not touch you is not true.
these may be company policy rules for low level security but,it is not
law. you pay for the level of security you need or want.
a laser pointer need not have the power to even be capable of damaging
an eye. it can however blind one enough to cause distraction.
on a stage where wiring,amps,lights and, other props are present it would be
very easy to trip up over something and not only bang up your head
but,potentially destroy some very expensive equipment.
then there's the liability issue to the other concert goers.
if a threat is perceived security has every right to prevent it.
even if it means,"putting their hands on you".
crowd control is not the same job as your mall cop.
regards
mike

You are horribly, DANGEROUSLY incorrect.
I worked as a class D lisc guard in college.

Guards have no more authority than a citizen.

This is why they must be lisc by the state, and why they must complete a class.
They drill it into your head that you are not a cop and can be charged with a crime of you assault an individual.

A guard is a professional paid witness and crime deterrent, not a cop.

Know your laws.

 

[Alien Traveler]

You are horribly, DANGEROUSLY incorrect.
I worked as a class D lisc guard in college.

Guards have no more authority than a citizen.

This is why they must be lisc by the state, and why they must complete a class.
They drill it into your head that you are not a cop and can be charged with a crime of you assault an individual.

A guard is a professional paid witness and crime deterrent, not a cop.

Know your laws.

Keep humans calm.
Keep humans dumb.
Let humans adhere to their weird "democratic" values.

Alien.

 

[Bad Ninja]

They must have different laws where you live. Where I live the odds are high that the security guard at a concert is an off duty police officer with a badge and gun, and full legal authority to enforce the law, use force if necessary, and make arrests.

The law isn't different, you just haven't actually read it yet and are assuming based on what you've seen.

You assume it's legal because you see them doing it.

And no, most concert security aren't cops, however concerts usually have a ton of uniformed officers doing the actual crowd control. There's a huge pay difference.

The guards in the OP should have called an officer over. I'm sure one was present.

 

[Paul lamb]

Must be a ....ty egic cause I doubt you could be confused with a sub ohm and a laser pen lol

 

[ckquatt]

They must have different laws where you live. Where I live the odds are high that the security guard at a concert is an off duty police officer with a badge and gun, and full legal authority to enforce the law, use force if necessary, and make arrests.

I approve of this statement. As a police officer myself I can attest that MOST (dont know if it is in this case) security at concerts are in fact off duty law enforcement being paid by the venue or concert promoter (very well I might add) to act as security back and front of stage, and do keep every bit of thier arrest powers working said job.

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[skoony]

You are horribly, DANGEROUSLY incorrect.
I worked as a class D lisc guard in college.

Guards have no more authority than a citizen.

This is why they must be lisc by the state, and why they must complete a class.
They drill it into your head that you are not a cop and can be charged with a crime of you assault an individual.

A guard is a professional paid witness and crime deterrent, not a cop.

Know your laws.

i as a citizen have the legal authority to arrest, and or prevent
prevent bodily harm to me or others i perceive to be in danger
using necessary force if needed.
i however can not gun down someone for stealing my
neighbors paper.
no one can arrest you for being a citizen doing what
is every citizens right to do.
you may be fired for violating company policy.
this happens quite frequently according to the news.
the Mall of America has a hands off policy and guards
have been fired. none however were ever arrested.
there are i am sure have been civil cases.
regards
mike

 

[Thespis]

Do "arrest powers" include choking a guy who is holding an ecig and presents no danger to himself or anyone around him?

a laser pointer need not have the power to even be capable of damaging
an eye. it can however blind one enough to cause distraction.
on a stage where wiring,amps,lights and, other props are present it would be
very easy to trip up over something and not only bang up your head
but,potentially destroy some very expensive equipment.

Kid Rock has his own union crew who will work with the local union on load in. I assure you, there is nothing to "trip up over" and any expensive equipment is very secure. Judging by the over reaction, this was probably not an off duty cop. If it was, we're in trouble...

 

[Thespis]

i as a citizen have the legal authority to arrest, and or prevent
prevent bodily harm to me or others i perceive to be in danger
using necessary force if needed.

I, as a citizen have the legal authority to file an assault charge and sue you civilly if you are wrong. Better hope you're right.

 

[Bad Ninja]

i as a citizen have the legal authority to arrest, and or prevent
prevent bodily harm to me or others i perceive to be in danger
using necessary force if needed.
i however can not gun down someone for stealing my
neighbors paper.
no one can arrest you for being a citizen doing what
is every citizens right to do.
you may be fired for violating company policy.
this happens quite frequently according to the news.
the Mall of America has a hands off policy and guards
have been fired. none however were ever arrested.
there are i am sure have been civil cases.
regards
mike

" I don't entertain hypotheticals as the world is vexing enough"
-True Grit


As I said, a security guard has no more legal authority than an average citizen.

They can't assault you like in the OP.
They should have called an officer over as per the law ( one was present at the concert) and the incident would have ended a lot differently.

I've done the same job as the security guards in college. State issued badge and lisc.

Ask any attorney or just call your state lisc office if you don't believe me.

 

[skoony]

Kid Rock has his own union crew who will work with the local union on load in. I assure you, there is nothing to "trip up over" and any expensive equipment is very secure. Judging by the over reaction, this was probably not an off duty cop. If it was, we're in trouble...

there are a lot of things going on. choreography for one.
even with a set stage set details will change from venue to venue.
anything that can case potential distraction of the performers has
caused incidents in the past.
the security had every right to do what they did.
there is no getting around that.
don't you think they might have a good reason to be
wary of laser pointers or,do you think they just made
that stuff up?
regards
mike

 

[skoony]

I, as a citizen have the legal authority to file an assault charge and sue you civilly if you are wrong. Better hope you're right.

i would think your allegations would have to be provable first.
regards
mike

 

[skoony]

" I don't entertain hypotheticals as the world is vexing enough"
-True Grit


As I said, a security guard has no more legal authority than an average citizen.

They can't assault you like in the OP.
They should have called an officer over as per the law ( one was present at the concert) and the incident would have ended a lot differently.

I've done the same job as the security guards in college. State issued badge and lisc.

Ask any attorney or just call your state lisc office if you don't believe me.

assault?
i am sure removing a potential threat from a crowded venue would not
necessarily be considered assault.
regards
mike