Man tackled by concert security over eCig

[Oberon75]

Potential Threat? Even if it was a laser pointer which it wasn't, they are sold everywhere including Toys R Us.

Now I'm an avid concert goer and have seen security use excessive force many times. A lot of them act like unprofessional bar bouncers or hired goons. There is absolutely no reason for this.

I'm going to a concert tonight. Should I really have to fear that some muscle head might mistake my SX Mini for something he finds dangerous and bum rush me to the ground?

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[NancyR]

I approve of this statement. As a police officer myself I can attest that MOST (dont know if it is in this case) security at concerts are in fact off duty law enforcement being paid by the venue or concert promoter (very well I might add) to act as security back and front of stage, and do keep every bit of thier arrest powers working said job.

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Having lived in the west coast, the south and the midwest I can say from personal experience, that while in areas like CA, they are not usually off duty cops, in the midwest and the south most of the cops I have known pick up extra cash this way. It is approved side work for them.

 

[Thespis]

i would think your allegations would have to be provable first.
regards
mike

If I'm filing charges, you've already put your hands on me and caused injuries. That will not be in dispute. What will be in dispute is if you had a reasonable cause to injure me. Be ready to prove that you had a valid reason to assault or detain me. If you're not a LEO, you have no laws protecting you if you make a mistake.

 

[Thespis]

there are a lot of things going on. choreography for one.
even with a set stage set details will change from venue to venue.
anything that can case potential distraction of the performers has
caused incidents in the past.
the security had every right to do what they did.
there is no getting around that.
don't you think they might have a good reason to be
wary of laser pointers or,do you think they just made
that stuff up?
regards
mike

Kid Rock plays arenas and brings the stage with him. It doesn't change from venue to venue.
I am a performer. I detest both laser pointers and flash photography. It's not a reason to assault an audience member who paid for admission. BTW, it wasn't a laser pointer.

 

[Bad Ninja]

i would think your allegations would have to be provable first.
regards
mike

No sir the burden of proof is on the guard.
Innocent until proven guilty.

I don't think having a mod in a concert is presenting a danger to others.

5 seconds of investigation would have prevented an assault.

In the end, there was no danger, no laser pointer, and no need for violence.
If it were me, and there were no rules against having a mod in the venue,
I would sue.

A cop would know better, and would perform a cursory investigation to see if he had probable cause to lay hands on the citizen.

 

[Oberon75]

No sir the burden of proof is on the guard.
Innocent until proven guilty.

I don't think having a mod in a concert is presenting a danger to others.

5 seconds of investigation would have prevented an assault.

In the end, there was no danger, no laser pointer, and no need for violence.
If it were me, and there were no rules against having a mod in the venue,
I would sue.

A cop would know better, and would perform a cursory investigation to see if he had probable cause to lay hands on the citizen.

Yep. And there are no rules against bringing in vape gear to this venue. The only rule they do have is your liquid can't be in a glass bottle.

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[Bad Ninja]

Yep. And there are no rules against bringing in vape gear to this venue. The only rule they do have is your liquid can't be in a glass bottle.

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There you go.
No rules broken, citizen assaulted.

All because security failed to follow the law, and too lazy to take two seconds to investigate the device.

Sounds like clear grounds for litigation to me.

I would file suit and let a judge decide who's at fault

 

[skoony]

Kid Rock plays arenas and brings the stage with him. It doesn't change from venue to venue.
I am a performer. I detest both laser pointers and flash photography. It's not a reason to assault an audience member who paid for admission. BTW, it wasn't a laser pointer.

the basic set up will be maintained as much as possible.
some venues have their own stages. Kid Rock does play venues
other than stadiums.
due to size restrictions and other sundry issues things on stage
can and do change. speaker placement, a change in choreography
or lighting or a new routine worked in to spice things up.
what about guest appearances.
from what i have gathered Kid Rocks performances are quite
dynamic to say the least. to deny that distractions such as laser
pointers and flash photography is merely annoying is belittling
a potentially harmful incident.
the reason flash photography and now laser pointers are frowned
upon is because of incidents in the past. remember a mere sprained
ankle to a dancer is not just an annoyance.
lastly what assault is every one referring too?
the crew thought it was a laser pointer and acted apparently
with they thought was proper and necessary use of force.
it would seem to me one would not react that way unless
they had reason a laser pointer was not just a mere annoyance.
regards
mike

 

[Thespis]

to deny that distractions such as laser
pointers and flash photography is merely annoying is belittling
a potentially harmful incident.

Please quote the post where I denied this.

the crew thought it was a laser pointer and acted apparently
with they thought was proper and necessary use of force.

I believe they were wrong and should be charged with assault The company that employs them should be sued for damages. They made a mistake and somebody got hurt. Sorry doesn't feed the bulldog.
BTW, the idea that it's OK for an innocent person to get injured to perhaps avoid a "potentially harmful incident" is repulsive.

 

[skoony]

Yep. And there are no rules against bringing in vape gear to this venue. The only rule they do have is your liquid can't be in a glass bottle.

There you go.
No rules broken, citizen assaulted.

what were the rules concerning laser pointers and flash photography?
an assault has to occur before one can call it an assault.
it seems to me if an assault had occurred an arrest would have been made.
admittedly the guy has a pretty good shot at a civil case but,that
does not mean a crime was committed.
regards
mike

 

[Bad Ninja]

what were the rules concerning laser pointers and flash photography?
an assault has to occur before one can call it an assault.
it seems to me if an assault had occurred an arrest would have been made.
admittedly the guy has a pretty good shot at a civil case but,that
does not mean a crime was committed.
regards
mike

What laser pointer?
There was no laser pointer.

 

[Thespis]

So if they thought he had a gun, it would have been OK to kill him?

 

[skoony]

If I'm filing charges, you've already put your hands on me and caused injuries. That will not be in dispute. What will be in dispute is if you had a reasonable cause to injure me. Be ready to prove that you had a valid reason to assault or detain me. If you're not a LEO, you have no laws protecting you if you make a mistake.

well that's the whole point here.
why is it assumed that security is at fault?
the only thing definite to be inferred from the OP is
they don't like laser pointers at Kid Rock concerts.
i can and would put my hands on you and harm you
if necessary if you were about to fire bomb a daycare
center.
do not confuse necessary force with assault.
they are two different things
regards
mike

 

[skoony]

So if they thought he had a gun, it would have been OK to kill him?

if they thought it was necessary to protect themselves or others
yes.of course.
granted there would be one heck of an inquiry and
massive civil suites but,if in the end they could prove they had just cause
to believe so and were in fear of their lives or lives of others
they could not be held criminally responsible. of course
this would not protect them from civil obligations.
regards
mike

 

[skoony]

What laser pointer?
There was no laser pointer.

what part of the OP didn't you read?
security thought it was a laser pointer.
regards
mike

 

[KentA]

They must have different laws where you live. Where I live the odds are high that the security guard at a concert is an off duty police officer with a badge and gun, and full legal authority to enforce the law, use force if necessary, and make arrests.

They must have different laws where you live. A police officer with a badge and gun has no right to use excessive force beyond what’s necessary to arrest a suspect and keep police and bystanders safe.

 

[edyle]

I guess that's one reason not to use a Blu
at a concert

at night

DTE Security Confuses E-Cig for Laser, Tackle Man at Kid Rock [PHOTO] « 99.5 WYCD Detroit's Best Country

By: Jon Corrigan
Things went downhill quickly for one concertgoer at DTE Music Energy Theatre last Saturday (August 15).
Michael Slough, with his girlfriend and several other friends, was attending Kid Rock’s performance when suddenly he was jumped by security.
“They dragged me down the hill in front of thousands of people, tackled me to the ground,” Slough tells WNEM TV5. “I was confused I had no idea what was going on.”
He says the guards jumped on top of him from behind, one of them grabbing him by the neck.
“It was embarrassing and scary and unjustified. It’s not right,”
Kid Rock’s stage manager alleged told security he saw Slough point a laser at the stage. However, the only thing the concertgoer had was an electronic cigarette, which lights up blue when inhaled.
Despite attempting to plead his case, Slough and all ten of his friends were escorted out of the venue.
He has not been given a refund or an apology from DTE, however, he was offered tickets to a future show – which he declined.

 

[skoony]

Please quote the post where I denied this.

Kid Rock plays arenas and brings the stage with him. It doesn't change from venue to venue.
I am a performer. I detest both laser pointers and flash photography. It's not a reason to assault an audience member who paid for admission. BTW, it wasn't a laser pointer.

actually you said detested. you didn't say why.
i assumed it was because they annoy you.
they would annoy me too.
regards
mike

 

[r77r7r]

Why would someone even bring a Laser Pointer in the first place???

Why would security think someone would pay to get in and then sabotage the show?

Does Kid Rock have kitties on the stage?

 

[bluecat]

That's assault. Press charges now.
Security guards have zero authority to touch you.
A guard is a paid witness, that's it.

Most states requires a class and license to emphasize this.

They have no more authority than an average citizen.

Sue the security agency, the guards, the venue, and the concert promoter.

"This aggression will not stand, man!"
-The Dude

What the world needs now is more frivolous lawsuits.