Manual Switch 901

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Jammi98

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Ok, so unless I am totally misunderstanding you, you are complaining that the liquid heats up faster with the manual switch? I haven't exactly sat here with a stopwatch, but there doesn't seem to be any difference in the speed between the manual and auto switches. The only difference is that you are pressing a button as opposed to sucking for an extended time. The atomizer is the same no matter which switch you use.

Even though you didn't like my example, product differentiation is one of the bases of a free market...
 

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Parked -

I have to agree. I was really trying to be respectful and since he says he's an engineer I figured he might know what he's talking about but nothing is adding up right unless I'm missing something.

The manual switches have been around for a few months now and there hasn't been any real health problems that differentiate it from the automatic ones. I hope Taelon can explain in better detail why manual switches are so bad because as of yet, i see no reason to be alarmed.

I hope the other engineers here will second that.

Also, I have yet to see this ^ happen...


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OK, as usual the thread goes off at a tangent again. I use a 901 atomiser with a manual switch powered by 4 x AA NimH 2500mAh batteries. Why ?, because the vape is much better. The extra heat generated by using decent batteries atomises the liquid better and the manual switch gives me better control over when the atomiser is powered. I am constantly reminded at just how useless the orignal batteries are, every time I decide to use one when I'm out and about and can't be bothered to use my decent batteries (happening less often these days). IMHO manual switch is better.
 

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Is there something dangerous about heating eliquid too quickly?

Yes, just imagine and compare putting a breakfast egg in a too hot pan, it will be burned black and gets carcinogenic at bottom (smell it) :evil: before cooking through the full thickness of the egg film on the pan (this example should make it clear for the nice Americans here, too ;)) same for the liquid film on the atomizers heater and in the heaters swam.

Just learn thermodynamics basics like materia thermal resistance and capacity and you will understand whats going on.
 
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Kate

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Would that account for the crunchy black stuff that builds up in atomisers?

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Sorry, I don't buy the idea that the manual switch heats the atomizer/liquid faster than auto switches.

The only way the problems with burnt material will go away will be with better atomizers. Yes this is a concern, but is an entirely different subject which has nothing to do with what type of switch is used.


I agree! Jammi98
 

Taelon

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an entirely different subject which has nothing to do with what type of switch is used.

Any reasoning? Technical facts? Or only based on religious believe? :oops:

And what makes You think of automatic "trivial" discrete 2-point (on/off) switches?
Maybe the more expensive automatic types are equipped with continuos level signalling air sensors and µC controlled heater PCM power drive?
 
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Sure. My reasoning is that all a manual switch does is allow a different method of starting/controlling the atomizer function. It has nothing to do with the temperature of the atomizer. It has nothing to do with the materials the atomizers are made from.

Current atomizers (not referring to the "next-gen" type that are new on the market since they haven't been in use long enough to tell yet) contain a material which gets burnt after some period of use. That material ALWAYS degrades, unless of course the atomizer fails for some other reason first. This is a materials/design problem, not a switch problem.
 

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Another "believer" :thumb:

Don't take this the wrong way but what kind of drugs you on bud? :p

Your so called claims are unfounded !!!

Stop taking L.S.D while vaping your e-cig !!!
It's really playing tricks with you mind.

That button you talk about all the time might just
jump out of the e-cig and bite your nose off !!!

If you don't stop using this stuff while vaping
i'm looking out for your safety here.
 
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Taelon

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I agree. I find my common scents beat's the so called experts 98% of the time.

Yeah. That's always to reason every bull**** :D

Don't take this the wrong way but what kind of drugs you on bud? :p

Strange. One of our fighter pilot trainees returning from Your airbase in FW told me the same about You guys some years before. Seems he was right... :D
 

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Well 2 things. To answer the actual question of the thread, no you can't just make a manual switch. If you make the manual switch and hook it up to existing 901 batteries they still will not turn on without vacuum(you inhaling). So you'd need to get a manual switch and a regular battery. If this is ok with you, check out the tips and tricks section for something like the magnum. You can build your own manual switch for nearly no money.

Now people may hate me, but I think Taelon may be partly on to something. His high intelligence is making it hard for him to explain. If I understand the dynamics he is talking about, it's not that it "instantly" makes it hotter right off the bat, but you can keep it on longer allowing it to be hotter. In an automatic battery, there "may be" and he said he is not sure, but there may be a thermal switch that regualtes the voltage depending on heat. This way allowing the E-cig to operate at a warm level, not burning. There are 2 potential problems to the manual switch. First being that there is no auto shutoff. This means that you can smoke longer, but the atomizer is getting to dangerous levels if you are holding switch for too long. That is why autos have an auto shutoff and some of the new Ecigs shut off even quicker. The 2nd potential problem is its heating up the stuff on the atomizer THEN you inhale what is already "heated or possibly burnt". Whereas automatic you are inhaling whatever is on the atomizer while it starts to heat, hopefully not leaving time for it to burn.

These are just my possible thoughts. Not sure if they are "scientific" or not, but I think further thought into this might not be such a horrible idea.

Now with that said, I myself prefer my manual switch on the 801 pen style. Never said I care abotu safety...I come from Cigarettes right?
 

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Lintz,

Yes the request for a 901 switch would, of necessity, include both the switch and a battery.

I understand that holding the switch on too long can be hazardous :) (and I acknowledged this in a previous post). I also know that using my 901 requires me to inhale for much longer than I inhale using the Kissbox. But it wouldn't be too difficult to add an auto cutoff circuit to a manual switch if these things ever become popular enough that they need to be made idiot-proof. It would be the same circuit they are using now in the auto switches, just placed in-line with the manual.

For your other point, when I use either one, it becomes obvious very quickly if I'm not paying attention to vapor output and a cart (or a drip) runs dry because I start to get a burnt taste. Normal vaping when using either switch does not have that burnt taste, so I am reasonably assured that this concern is not an issue.
 
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