Many teens try e-cigs, but few become regular users

[Cool_Breeze]

E-cigarettes are popular with teens, including those who have never smoked, but few of those who try them become regular users, while most of those who do so are also smokers, finds research. Researchers also found that the use of e-cigarettes at least once was more common than having smoked a conventional cigarette among all age groups, except the oldest (15-16 year olds).


http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/04/150415203535.htm

 

[stevegmu]

They probably aren't getting the 'hit' they want, so move on to cigarettes...

 

[curious8]

On the contrary, today's NY Times says teenagers' use of cigarettes has declined by 25%, quite likely due to the rise in vaping. It's a good article, check it out:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/17/h....html?emc=edit_na_20150416&nlid=53545873&_r=0

 

[350ZMO]

And yet I open up y a h o o tonight and find a article that claims there is a teen e-cigarette boom and how dangerous nicotine is to brain development before the age of 21 with a final mention that at least it is diverting them from cigarettes. And that these "staggering" increases in such a "short" time underscore "why" FDA intends to regulate these additional products to "protect public health".

I got so mad I switched over to TV and watched mountain monsters. About the same amount of truth but at least its funny.

 

[mcclintock]

They probably aren't getting the 'hit' they want, so move on to cigarettes...

How would they know? I'd think if they didn't like e-cigs then they'd know they aren't going to like burning ones either. Unless someone tells them otherwise, maybe.

The main reason kids are moving into vaping is because it's safer and better than smoking. I'm torn between the power of Truth and nostalgia for that moment I realized that almost everything adults told me was a lie.

 

[pennysmalls]

My nephew and tons of my sons friends and co workers are vaping and they're all never smokers. From what I'm hearing the flavors are a total hit with this age group, they just love it and when questioned the first thing out of their mouths is that it's much safer than smoking. Kids aren't dumb. They aren't going to go for something that tastes like a rusty fire pit over something that tastes like a designer desert and they're definitely not going to give that up for smoking when it's been hammered into their brains all their lives that doing so will eventually kill them. Safe (opinions vary of course) and tastes great. No brainer. I've come to the point where I've accepted that my opinion on teen vaping doesn't matter one whit, they're doing it regardless.

 

[pennysmalls]

And yet I open up y a h o o tonight and find a article that claims there is a teen e-cigarette boom and how dangerous nicotine is to brain development before the age of 21 with a final mention that at least it is diverting them from cigarettes. And that these "staggering" increases in such a "short" time underscore "why" FDA intends to regulate these additional products to "protect public health".

I got so mad I switched over to TV and watched mountain monsters. About the same amount of truth but at least its funny.

I'm looking for signs of the existence of all these adults that got developmentally delayed due to childhood nicotine consumption but am finding that no such creature exists.

 

[stevegmu]

How would they know? I'd think if they didn't like e-cigs then they'd know they aren't going to like burning ones either. Unless someone tells them otherwise, maybe.

The main reason kids are moving into vaping is because it's safer and better than smoking. I'm torn between the power of Truth and nostalgia for that moment I realized that almost everything adults told me was a lie.

I didn't care one bit about safety when I was a teen in high school. Pretty sure things aren't much different today, except teens start younger these days. I was invincible...

 

[350ZMO]

All true. I know that if vaping had been around and the "thing" to do for whatever reason, I would be better off today had I vaped and not started smoking. Luckily the kids didn't smoke. But today I'm trying to get the grand kids converted. I cant stop them from smoking and they are adults anyways but best I can hope for is to redirect it. Hopefully by the time the great grand kids get old enough, smoking will be ancient history. Unless the FDA screws all that up and makes it more harmful for everybody.

 

[350ZMO]

I'm looking for signs of the existence of all these adults that got developmentally delayed due to childhood nicotine consumption but am finding that no such creature exists.

LOL yeah...exactly. I am so tired of all the obfuscation and outright lies I can't see straight. I'm sure there is some study somewhere that shows that but I doubt it was based on patches or vaporizers. I'm sure it was based on smoking. To which I would say prove it was the nicotine and not the CO or one of the other 4000 chemicals or alcohol or other drugs or lab rats, who knows and I don't really care. I'm just tired of "people" (trying hard to not say what I really want to call them and be polite) writing articles on topics without the research or hard work (maybe they had nicotine when they were young) to cite study specifics and the inherent limitations because of the methods used. Tired of the probably USG and BT and BP funded push crap. Whether its crap science or crap articles or crap derivations. It's just all crap.

It's just a matter of time. Some millionaire reading this stuff is going to set aside a few million for a group of lawyers to take them to task. People have been sued for giving honest negative reviews on products but these "people" putting out this crap aren't. That might change. There could be repercussions for the so called "writers", "journalists", and "scientists" by title implicating themselves as "experts" and "trusted" giving only half truths or partial derivations or outright lies. Its different with them. We are just ordinary people giving honest like and dislike opinions. But for them, they hold the publics eye. There is big money to be made. These crap studies and articles are defamatory towards vaping which means nothing short of all our lives and all our children's lives. Not to mention an attack on our freedom. There may be some very large class actions. You can't sue BT but you can go after their sycophants and conspirators. Not that I'm litigious or suit happy myself I'm just pointing out it could happen. And I'd rather see that then a settlement for a hot cup of coffee in a lap.

 

[EBates]

Where are all these kids getting all of these e-cigs? For this "significant" increases there has to be a source? I've yet to go to a vape shop and see kids buying vapor products.
Are there 'Pushers' on the corner selling e-cigs?
Are there 'Irresponsible' parents allowing on-line sales to/for kids?
Are 'Parents' giving them to kids?

 

[zoiDman]

This is a Difficult Conclusion to make when the Subject Data are Teens and Adolescents.

The strong link between current smoking and e-cigarette use suggests that teens are not using these products to help them quit smoking, say the researchers.

They admit that a lack of consensus about what constitutes 'use' of an e-cigarette presents something of a challenge for research in this area, and suggest that further much longer term studies to include the generation of young people who have grown up with e-cigarettes are needed before firmer conclusions can be drawn.

Many teens try e-cigs, but few become regular users -- ScienceDaily

Because obtaining Accurate answers to survey questions from Teens and Adolescents has historically been shown to be Non-Reliable at times.

Adolescents, in particular, will Many Times give answers to questions that they Feel are the what the Questioner wants to hear. Or will Not answer questions truthfully if the think they could "get in trouble" for their answers.

 

[Lessifer]

I'm looking for signs of the existence of all these adults that got developmentally delayed due to childhood nicotine consumption but am finding that no such creature exists.

I can think of one possible example off the top of my head, but I won't name names as that would be mean, and probably get me in trouble...

 

[pennysmalls]

LOL yeah...exactly. I am so tired of all the obfuscation and outright lies I can't see straight. I'm sure there is some study somewhere that shows that but I doubt it was based on patches or vaporizers. I'm sure it was based on smoking. To which I would say prove it was the nicotine and not the CO or one of the other 4000 chemicals or alcohol or other drugs or lab rats, who knows and I don't really care. I'm just tired of "people" (trying hard to not say what I really want to call them and be polite) writing articles on topics without the research or hard work (maybe they had nicotine when they were young) to cite study specifics and the inherent limitations because of the methods used. Tired of the probably USG and BT and BP funded push crap. Whether its crap science or crap articles or crap derivations. It's just all crap.

It's just a matter of time. Some millionaire reading this stuff is going to set aside a few million for a group of lawyers to take them to task. People have been sued for giving honest negative reviews on products but these "people" putting out this crap aren't. That might change. There could be repercussions for the so called "writers", "journalists", and "scientists" by title implicating themselves as "experts" and "trusted" giving only half truths or partial derivations or outright lies. Its different with them. We are just ordinary people giving honest like and dislike opinions. But for them, they hold the publics eye. There is big money to be made. These crap studies and articles are defamatory towards vaping which means nothing short of all our lives and all our children's lives. Not to mention an attack on our freedom. There may be some very large class actions. You can't sue BT but you can go after their sycophants and conspirators. Not that I'm litigious or suit happy myself I'm just pointing out it could happen. And I'd rather see that then a settlement for a hot cup of coffee in a lap.

I sure hope that millionaire exists, is watching and knows when the perfect time to strike is. We can dream right?

I was reading an article just this morning after searching google for evidence on developmental problems caused by nicotine and the research written about was done on rats and these poor rats were given nicotine doses equivalent to what a two pack a day smoker would intake. Now, were talking a two pack a day dose for a full sized human being! No wonder the rats had trouble with memory and such lol!

 

[DrMA]

Excellent expert reaction to this latest round of slurry gushing
expert reaction to surveys of e-cigarette use in teenagers | Science Media Centre

 

[350ZMO]

Where are all these kids getting all of these e-cigs? For this "significant" increases there has to be a source? I've yet to go to a vape shop and see kids buying vapor products.
Are there 'Pushers' on the corner selling e-cigs?
Are there 'Irresponsible' parents allowing on-line sales to/for kids?
Are 'Parents' giving them to kids?

It struck me that all the places I know of will only sell to 18+. And yeah I know kids will always find a way but....that article claimed nicotine brain effects to 21. Wonder how they figured that out with a lab rat...but anywho there's the rub. I guess a "teenager" defined as 18 and 19. I guess only after 21 can you be considered an adult. I guess at 20 you're in no where land as you're not a teen and your not an adult. So I guess all the vape stores will have to change their 18+ to 21+.

 

[350ZMO]

Excellent expert reaction to this latest round of slurry gushing
expert reaction to surveys of e-cigarette use in teenagers | Science Media Centre

Nice find thanks.

Yeah but they will just say that's in Whales not here...our studies show...this crap will continue until someone takes them to task. Then when these "people" realize they stand more to lose than they can get with a next meal ticket sensationalistic headline grabber they'll think twice.

 

[350ZMO]

I sure hope that millionaire exists, is watching and knows when the perfect time to strike is. We can dream right?

Well I believe they are here. As Vapers we have a community that spans all walks of life, all demographics. We have lawyers, engineers, scientists, celebrities, correspondents, reporters, entrepreneurs, doctors, nurses, inventors, law enforcement, government, military and even politicians. Vapers span a huge and diverse community. Sooner or later someone is going to take them to task and make all kinds of money. Bet that wasn't figured into the predicted vaping market estimates. Right now they are sitting on the sidelines for the moment waiting to see what data pops up before they commit one way or the other. They don't care about anything other than making more money. And there is a ton to be made. What they don't realize yet is the return on investment is not only huge but the risk of investment is extremely low due to the science of vaping. Far better return and risk than the stock market, real estate, and other current conventional investment instruments. Not to mention the data to support harm reduction from cigarette cessation already exists. Given the lack of bad stuff scientifically and correctly measured from a properly implemented and used e-Cigarette versus the thousands of proven carcinogens emitted by an analog cigarette and any reasonable person will come to the conclusion of harm reduction. Therefore anyone publishing half truths, lies and deformation of e-cigarettes who are characterized as an "expert" in the public eye is actually harming peoples lives and they ought to be squirming in their seats right about now. I am really surprised at these so called "researchers" and "editors" spewing the falsehoods and lies. They are either completely ignorant of the scope of vapers and science or just outright stupid.

 

[EBates]

Stupid is a Transmittable Disease. Blasted sufficiently by 'Government Produced and Financed' propaganda as the transmission mode even intelligent people may be infected by the Stupid virus. Once infected these infected persons will submit to any 'government' Prohibitions and Taxes and return to the security of BT and BP products that they trust.

 

[zoiDman]

Stupid is a Transmittable Disease. Blasted sufficiently by 'Government Produced and Financed' propaganda as the transmission mode even intelligent people may be infected by the Stupid virus. Once infected these infected persons will submit to any 'government' Prohibitions and Taxes and return to the security of BT and BP products that they trust.

Yeah... And the Only known vaccine for the Stupid Virus is Knowledge.

But it is Hard to Inoculate people with this Vaccine by only Posting Knowledge to the ECF. Because the Vast Majority of the Infected People do Not come to the ECF to get Inoculated.