Marlboro soon to release E-Cig

[Steamix]

Yep, BT is between a rock and a hard place.

Analogs sales are declining. Gubmint can - and does - compensate for that by increasing the taxes, all under the guise of worrying about smokers health, of course.

Lookie 'ere, a chinese company is manufacturing their dinky toys. Smokers who switch to their products might just use them as a stepping stone to some REAL vaping gear.

So, BT's not only a dollar short, they're also a day late...

Time to crank up the lobbying machine - time to try to legislate the real goods off the shelves...

Sorry, my BT pals, we had a long clinging relationship, but it's to time to part company...

 

[Trypno]

It's not a conspiracy, it's fact. They admitted to engineering aspects of tobacco in the tobacco trials, and lot of their research and techniques were released to the public as part of their agreement to those trials. BT has added additives to cigarettes to change how the nicotine is absorbed by the blood, for example, to shorten the satiation period (ie. you want more, sooner). They list over 2000 possible ingredients added to cigarettes to do things like that.

And, if you think that BT is the only companies researching things like that, think again. The food industry, for instance, has researched widely and deeply into what people crave, how to make them crave more, and talk about it openly in trade publications and research. Why do you think so many products are loaded with sugar or sweeteners? They know that the American palete is sweet, and if it's sweet, people will buy more. All of that can be hidden in the label as 'artificial sweetener" and "additional flavoring and colors".

We don't live in a world where large multi-national companies make pure products that are just base ingredients. Almost everything you buy is being engineered in ways that would make your head spin. Even vegetables are now being engineered with GMO products.

It's not conspiracy, it's science, it's well known, and it's documented.

I just wonder though, if they could find a way to do those things in an ecig, without the carcinogenic effects, wouldn't it be logical that BT would want to pursue those possibilities? Addiction is profitable, killing off your customer base on the other hand, is not.

 

[Trypno]

Yep, BT is between a rock and a hard place.

Analogs sales are declining. Gubmint can - and does - compensate for that by increasing the taxes, all under the guise of worrying about smokers health, of course.

Lookie 'ere, a chinese company is manufacturing their dinky toys. Smokers who switch to their products might just use them as a stepping stone to some REAL vaping gear.

So, BT's not only a dollar short, they're also a day late...

Time to crank up the lobbying machine - time to try to legislate the real goods off the shelves...

Sorry, my BT pals, we had a long clinging relationship, but it's to time to part company...

Damn that's scary, I didn't even consider it that way. I don't want to lose my vape O.O

 

[Jarbs]

You really are disputing the existence of addictive chemical additives in analogs? I always associate the headaches and other strange withdraw symptoms smokers have when they transition to vaping as withdrawal from those other addictive chemicals.

Potatoes, tomatoes, and other fruits and vegetables have nicotine too. Doesn't mean I crave salsa (ok, well maybe...)

no, i'm not disputing that. i'm stating that i think there are crazy people who think everything is a conspiracy. as well as people who pass off conjecture as proof.

 

[BillyWJ]

I just wonder though, if they could find a way to do those things in an ecig, without the carcinogenic effects, wouldn't it be logical that BT would want to pursue those possibilities? Addiction is profitable, killing off your customer base on the other hand, is not.

They're killing off their customer base right now with cigarettes, why should ecigs be any different?

 

[njvap]

These guys aren't stupid, and they know that once a smoker jumped into vapibg, he will realize that he is almost like out of slavery, an almost 100% diy capable habit, the thing that threatens mlbro's business model and survival at the very root of it, I wouldn't trust tgese guys at all..

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[njvap]

Blu's is what introduced me to vaping as well. Wouldn't recommend it to any new comer but it got my foot in the door. I still use from time to when stealth is needed and is always there as a backup as well...so not a total waste of money.

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[RogerWilco357]

Big Tobacco is A greedy bunch aren't they if they see they are loosing one cent they want it ...hope this competition makes for safer products in the long run...hasn't the maker of Newport also in the game?

 

[Schwiggiddy]

no, i'm not disputing that. i'm stating that i think there are crazy people who think everything is a conspiracy. as well as people who pass off conjecture as proof.

Really? You aren't disputing that BT puts addictive additives in their products? Well what does this mean then?

"the big tobacco possibly adding more chemicals sounds like a 9/11 conspiracy theory to me. it makes no sense."

Cuz that's what you said.

 

[CrazyDamon]

Garbage, will die quick.

 

[WileECoyote]

no, i'm not disputing that. i'm stating that i think there are crazy people who think everything is a conspiracy. as well as people who pass off conjecture as proof.

I don't think everything is a conspiracy. I am just going by what they have done in the past. If I was big tobacco, I would toss plenty of dollars to my scientists to figure out how to make vaping as addictive as cigarettes.

 

[Jarbs]

Really? You aren't disputing that BT puts addictive additives in their products? Well what does this mean then?

Cuz that's what you said.

to e-cigs. you took what i said out of context to make an argument.

 

[Jarbs]

I don't think everything is a conspiracy. I am just going by what they have done in the past. If I was big tobacco, I would toss plenty of dollars to my scientists to figure out how to make vaping as addictive as cigarettes.

someone already has! add yummy flavors and nicotine and boom! you have this forum.

 

[Tinkiegrrl]

I'm sure that BT can find plenty of other addictive things to add to eliquid. They won't go the flavor route. They're lobbying congress to ban the flavors because it'll eliminate the competition that way. What they'll focus on is tobacco and menthol only, and I would place money on a bet that they'll find other chemicals to make them as addicting to cigarets. Really, I just hope this addictive chemicals will be at least less catcinogenic then the ones added to analogues.

 

[Jarbs]

I'm sure that BT can find plenty of other addictive things to add to eliquid. They won't go the flavor route. They're lobbying congress to ban the flavors because it'll eliminate the competition that way. What they'll focus on is tobacco and menthol only, and I would place money on a bet that they'll find other chemicals to make them as addicting to cigarets. Really, I just hope this addictive chemicals will be at least less catcinogenic then the ones added to analogues.

i wonder how they'll go about having the flavors banned as these same flavors are used in food.

 

[Vermonster13]

i wonder how they'll go about having the flavors banned as these same flavors are used in food.

They will make it so only prefilled sealed cartos are available and nicotine won't be available for sale to the public. DIY will be no longer able to have any nicotine and you'll find open use components increasingly difficult to obtain. A good reason to have some RBA stuff on hand.

 

[Schwiggiddy]

to e-cigs. you took what i said out of context to make an argument.

If that's what you say, then ok, but in context you were ambiguous with your "super human" remark. It seemed like you were saying that BT never added any addictive extra chemicals to analogs, otherwise how could we have all kicked them.

 

[Don Robertson]

Both encouraging news and cause for concern in the article. The FDA "...plans to assert authority...", may be the Huffington Post and their typical sensationalistic "reporting". The "...$75 million in financing ........ Napster founder ......... entrepreneur Sean Parker and Homewood Capital principal Douglas Teitelbaum......... and clinical trials, research ....... Musician Bruno Mars also has invested".

Reports in and ON mainstream media (beyond very biased Huffington) would be even more encouraging. What would be REALLY encouraging would be to see the folks from China making a debut in the USA - as subsidiaries of the foreign owned KangerTech / Innokin (or whatever the proper parent corporate entity may be); make a BIG BIG entry along with Big Tobacco and ride the wave they create. Magazine ads - newspaper ads - show support for organizations that support THEM; lord know right here on ECF KangerTech,Innokin, JoyeTech and the rest receive MILLIONS of dollars in FREE ADVERTISING (word of mouth) - they can well afford to start their own campaign in support of and promoting their own products. Word of mouth is fine - print and visual reaches far far more individuals and WE need to be at the same level as 'Big Tobacco' or they WILL snatch the market.

"The Food and Drug Administration plans to assert regulatory authority over e-cigarettes in the near future. Public health officials say the safety of e-cigarettes and their effectiveness in helping people quit regular smokes haven't been fully studied."

"Despite the regulatory uncertainties, electronic cigarettes have attracted the attention of investors."

"Electronic cigarette maker Njoy Inc. said Monday it has raised $75 million in financing from investors including Napster founder and entrepreneur Sean Parker and Homewood Capital principal Douglas Teitelbaum to be used for marketing, clinical trials, research and development, and international expansion. Musician Bruno Mars also has invested the company whose Njoy King disposable e-cigarettes are available in more than 60,000 retail stores."

Senile Old Man Don ............ It's time to join the REAL FIGHT! Will KangerTech, Innokin, JoyeTech and ALL the rest do it? They better! We have supported THEM - THEY need to support US.

 

[Don Robertson]

I trust we all acknowledge there are added chemicals in cigarettes. Hell - Big Tobacco listed them back in 1994. How many are used today? Nobody knows; the government got what they wanted and never asked again! Whatever they are using - as of today - those of us who have "QUIT" beat the habit! Keep it up!

Now perhaps an old man can ramble (yea I know - few will bother to read it) and calm the proverbial waters with a bit o'logic? Deviating from the importance of this release of product by yet another 'big tobacco company' simply takes focus off where our concerns should be directed. Come on guys - don't pick one another apart! Big Tobacco is the enemy - not the folks here on ECF!

A couple things come to mind about "THE CHEMICALS" and they are NOT all that different from what WE face today. Think about it:

In 1994 when the five major tobacco companies provided the Department of Health and Human Services with their list of 599 additives in cigarettes** they stressed that ALL THE chemicals had been approved as additives to food. HOWEVER, they HAD NEVER BEEN and HAVE NOT TODAY BEEN TESTED BY "BURNING". Over time - scientific PROOF has shown that more than 4,000 chemical compounds are created by burning a cigarette.

IF E-CIGARETTES are so dangerous PROOF would have surfaced by now. Or would it? After all - Big Tobacco is now "invested" in the product. Big Tobacco contributes to political campaigns. Politicians love to campaign. Campaigns require money. Big Tobacco has money. It is an endless cycle. The e-cigarette industry OUTSIDE of Big Tobacco needs to jump in and support US!

E-CIGARETTE LIQUID:

Journalists repeatedly quote the same public agencies - who are really only quoting OTHER public agencies - in an endless 'loop'. They repeatedly stress the fact (and it is a fact) that, "burning changes the properties of chemicals". If this true when applied to e-cigarettes -- it damn well should apply to REAL cigarettes; yet, journalists conveniently omit even mentioning the chemical or burning because they are on a crusade against e-cigarettes NOT Big Tobacco. I stress ---- We ALWAYS hear that the "chemicals" used in e-cigarettes have NOT been shown to be safe when "BURNED"? Again - WE NEVER HEAR this about those in REAL CIGARETTES! I certainly read this slanted information in virtually every sensationalistic anti-e-cigarette "report" that comes along.

NICOTINE:

Reports add in "nicotine" and journalists cry about how horribly 'addictive' it is, yet they allow Big Tobacco to continue to stuff nicotine in to EVERY CIGARETTE SOLD; there is NOT ONE CIGARETTE AVAILABLE that has "ZERO NICOTINE"! Seldom (IF EVER) do we hear that e-cigarette users CAN USE E-LIQUID CONTAINING ZERO NICOTINE! Big Tobacco surely does NOT want the population to realize they CAN USE a product that is BETTER than their very own!

STOP the infighting folks. I think the logic in most of us gets what you really meant.

**BillyWJ...... if it's 2000 can you direct me to "the trials" that were released to "the public" I'd like to read up and become 'current'. I thought the 2,000 applied to "spitless tobacco" only (??). Thanks.

Senile Old Man Don

 

[Vermonster13]

I don't intentionally burn anything in my PVs.