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Many cases such as this would come down to what a "reasonable" person would think and how they would act. In my opinion, a reasonable person would not expect a no smoking rule to apply to vaping. If a company wants to include e-cigs, they need to display that e-cigs are included in said policy.
In case the credit card company just doesn't get it................ MaryAnn still has the option of a civil suit. Which I would suggest. I bring this up for a reason. We always think we don't have the money but in reality, it just isn't worth it for large companies to go to court over something like this. We have small claims courts and it is not overly expensive. (if you file, make sure you include all expenses to you in your complaint. Court costs etc.) THEY have very expensive attorneys. Two Hundred Fifty dollars is probably about fifteen minutes of time for their attorneys. Again, not worth it for them. You have to send a letter of intent first though. At least here. States do vary in the process and where a complaint has to be filed.
I wonder if the maids get a bonus for turning someone in? Maybe a civil suit against the maid as well for all the hassle. Might teach her not to lie.
In case the credit card company just doesn't get it................ MaryAnn still has the option of a civil suit. Which I would suggest. I bring this up for a reason. We always think we don't have the money but in reality, it just isn't worth it for large companies to go to court over something like this. We have small claims courts and it is not overly expensive. (if you file, make sure you include all expenses to you in your complaint. Court costs etc.) THEY have very expensive attorneys. Two Hundred Fifty dollars is probably about fifteen minutes of time for their attorneys. Again, not worth it for them. You have to send a letter of intent first though. At least here. States do vary in the process and where a complaint has to be filed.
I wonder if the maids get a bonus for turning someone in? Maybe a civil suit against the maid as well for all the hassle. Might teach her not to lie.
agree with several other posters- the issue isn't exactly allowing or not allowing vaping.
The issue is that adding rules after the fact is inherently unjust. A reasonable person would NOT have known that vaping was included in their smoking ban.
Best,
Ande
The issue is that adding rules after the fact is inherently unjust. A reasonable person would NOT have known that vaping was included in their smoking ban.
Best,
Ande
As soon as ecigs were ruled to be a tobacco product, ecig users should be on the lookout for ecigs being treated like tobacco.
A little bit of a fallacy since things that are definitely not considered smoking like chewing tobacco are also tobacco products.
Tell it to General Electric and other major corporations who immediately revised their bans on smoking to include ecigs.
This is topic is going to pop up more and more.
Side note....
Does anyone else see something in this photo... from the original post?
Side note....
Does anyone else see something in this photo... from the original post?
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I stared at it for a while, but couldn't see anything. Did I post something totally embarassing? 
The original is a stock photo from here: Smoker Stock Photo - Royalty Free Image from FreeDigitalPhotos.net
The original is a stock photo from here: Smoker Stock Photo - Royalty Free Image from FreeDigitalPhotos.net
Looks like a face in the smoke - the O of the lips just by the second finger...someone coughing at that nasty, smelly, burny terbacker cigaret?
Exactly the point of this thread, in my opinion.
GE revised their policy. They saw the need to do this, because although they wished to prohibit ecig usage, they understood that simply "no smoking" did not mean "or ecigs, either."
If ecigs come to be considered tobacco products (and this is a grey area, but I imagine they will), they still don't become "cigarettes." Existing smoking bans don't apply. If a company or individual wants to ban ecigs, they need to revise their policies to show it.
Certainly snus, which I sometimes use, is a tobacco product. But it wouldn't occur to me that, since it is a tobacco product, it's not allowed in non-smoking areas.
Best,
Ande
In the picture, it's a little fuzzy bear head. Undoubtedly choking to death.
I firmly believe the manager of this particular hotel quit smoking the hard way, and is forever resentful.
I firmly believe the manager of this particular hotel quit smoking the hard way, and is forever resentful.
The prohibitionists seem to think we should quit everything and become vegan Buddhists.
I work in customer service for a bank. Dispute the charge and let the banks dispute department fight it out with Marriot. It costs nothing to file a dispute and the money could be returned.
The replay the show that has a recap of my conversation with Mary Ann and interview with Steve K. can be listened to here:
Marriott E-cig User Fined For Vaping and Box Elder Comments by VP Live on SoundCloud - Create, record and share your sounds for free
Yes! There's a white headed Rhesus monkey with eye glasses just above the left pointer finger... head of the FDA?
(Go ahead and admit it... you see him too!)
Mary Ann or anybody in the know: Any update? Would love to know how this played out...
As far as I am concerned, I do not smoke. I use Advaire Diskus Inhalator, along with Ventolin HFA Inhalator.
I used, and still use a V-3 to aid in my quest to stop smokeing. And it has worked wonders.
The Dr.'s that work my case, see the V-3 as just one of the tools used to fight my COPD condition.
The Hospital where they work is VERY Non-Smokeing! Yet they see the V-3 From Pure-Smoker as really helping in the control of my symtoms. ( In keeping tobbaco products out of my life) In other words, as far as I am concerned, The V-3 is a vaporizer, or inhalator. (You may prefer the term nebulizer) I do not refer to it as an E-Cig.
What is the difference you may ask? To you and I, as vaporers, nothing. But when I first showed it to the Dr.'s, I presented it as a vaporizer. Not an E-Cig. The reaction was very positive. They were very courious, and inquisitive about it. In the Past, in similar situations, when questioned about the V-3, I learned that if I introduced it as an electronic Cig.,or E-Cig, the reactions in similar venues was immediately hostal. The first thing on the questioners mind became Cig's. Not a device to help the patient, but rather a device to cause harm. I had already Planted the seed of a cigaratte in their minds. I had already lost the battle before it started.
It has been mentioned on the forum's many times. We should in most cases, NOT introduce them as E-Cigs. Other than to actual smokers that may want to try them to quit real cigs. ( As this helps most times in the explination and transition from tobacco. As if they don't first see it as a real Cig, they wont even try it. This is one of the reasons most first time E-cig. purchacers want a device that looks like a real Cig. You know. The people we call Noob's.)
We are our own worst enemy here Folks.
If the Lady in question had said NO! I don't smoke, The device I question I was useing is an Inhaleator, more than likely, that would have been the end of it.
We are many times our own worst enemy. A little fore thought and common sense can go a long way.
We need to learn to dodge and get around the typical beuracrats trying to control all our lives. Whether Government, or self important Hotel managers. They are not the only one's who can use words and phrases to their advantage.
Learn the lingo, and use it on them.
Screws them up every time!I have used this technique in Resturants, Bar's, Malls, Departmant Stores, Hospitals, You name it. It has worked every time.
Remember, Stealth is your friend! But there are still times when you get caught. In every case, when aproached, and questioned, or told, SIR, THIS is a NO SMOKING Est.! (You have all heard these stern, condecending remarks), I reply, Yes Sir, Or Mam, I don't smoke. "Period". The next thing out of their mouths is, then what is that? I reply- I have a lung disease, and this is my vaporiser. I say this in a firm, as a mater of fact, and confident way. In almost each and every case, the store employee, or Mgr, immediately apologises.
The only other resposne I have ever gotten was, " Oh, That different" I have never seen anything like that before. (I love it when that happens!)
Word of caution here. It helps "A Lot"! if the device doesn't look like a Real Cig! And words printed on it like E-Cig, Smoke and smoker, you have already lost. It won't help in you efforts. Neither will little blinking lights. This is where the common sense part comes in. If it doesn't look like a Cig, in many peoples mind, it isn't a Cig.!
In fact, I am thinking about having a medical staff logo etched on the V-3, or Med. Vaporiser etched on it.
Since I can etch it on myself, Might as well do it!
Try to control your life rather than letting strangers do it for you. I think you will find that life is more enjoyable. I mean, isn't this why many of us switched to E's in the first place?
I have been smoke free for almost two years now. (as of Jan. 2nd), and will Never go back to analogs. Unless the damed gov. ( Read FDA), in it's ignorance Ban's or E's!
KnifeMaker
I used, and still use a V-3 to aid in my quest to stop smokeing. And it has worked wonders.
The Dr.'s that work my case, see the V-3 as just one of the tools used to fight my COPD condition.
The Hospital where they work is VERY Non-Smokeing! Yet they see the V-3 From Pure-Smoker as really helping in the control of my symtoms. ( In keeping tobbaco products out of my life) In other words, as far as I am concerned, The V-3 is a vaporizer, or inhalator. (You may prefer the term nebulizer) I do not refer to it as an E-Cig.
What is the difference you may ask? To you and I, as vaporers, nothing. But when I first showed it to the Dr.'s, I presented it as a vaporizer. Not an E-Cig. The reaction was very positive. They were very courious, and inquisitive about it. In the Past, in similar situations, when questioned about the V-3, I learned that if I introduced it as an electronic Cig.,or E-Cig, the reactions in similar venues was immediately hostal. The first thing on the questioners mind became Cig's. Not a device to help the patient, but rather a device to cause harm. I had already Planted the seed of a cigaratte in their minds. I had already lost the battle before it started.
It has been mentioned on the forum's many times. We should in most cases, NOT introduce them as E-Cigs. Other than to actual smokers that may want to try them to quit real cigs. ( As this helps most times in the explination and transition from tobacco. As if they don't first see it as a real Cig, they wont even try it. This is one of the reasons most first time E-cig. purchacers want a device that looks like a real Cig. You know. The people we call Noob's.)
We are our own worst enemy here Folks.
If the Lady in question had said NO! I don't smoke, The device I question I was useing is an Inhaleator, more than likely, that would have been the end of it.
We are many times our own worst enemy. A little fore thought and common sense can go a long way.
We need to learn to dodge and get around the typical beuracrats trying to control all our lives. Whether Government, or self important Hotel managers. They are not the only one's who can use words and phrases to their advantage.
Learn the lingo, and use it on them.
Screws them up every time!I have used this technique in Resturants, Bar's, Malls, Departmant Stores, Hospitals, You name it. It has worked every time.
Remember, Stealth is your friend! But there are still times when you get caught. In every case, when aproached, and questioned, or told, SIR, THIS is a NO SMOKING Est.! (You have all heard these stern, condecending remarks), I reply, Yes Sir, Or Mam, I don't smoke. "Period". The next thing out of their mouths is, then what is that? I reply- I have a lung disease, and this is my vaporiser. I say this in a firm, as a mater of fact, and confident way. In almost each and every case, the store employee, or Mgr, immediately apologises.
The only other resposne I have ever gotten was, " Oh, That different" I have never seen anything like that before. (I love it when that happens!) Word of caution here. It helps "A Lot"! if the device doesn't look like a Real Cig! And words printed on it like E-Cig, Smoke and smoker, you have already lost. It won't help in you efforts. Neither will little blinking lights. This is where the common sense part comes in. If it doesn't look like a Cig, in many peoples mind, it isn't a Cig.!
In fact, I am thinking about having a medical staff logo etched on the V-3, or Med. Vaporiser etched on it.
Since I can etch it on myself, Might as well do it!
Try to control your life rather than letting strangers do it for you. I think you will find that life is more enjoyable.
I mean, isn't this why many of us switched to E's in the first place? I have been smoke free for almost two years now. (as of Jan. 2nd), and will Never go back to analogs. Unless the damed gov. ( Read FDA), in it's ignorance Ban's or E's!
KnifeMaker
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Ya the beginning is rough but he does address some good points .. worth a listen..
I am in the dark .. How many podcast's are there out there for us Vapers ..... I know about the ***tv's camcast, but mp3 type podcasts, I don't know .. (I am a TWIT -Leo Laport fan) Ya Ya.. please no snide remarks
Call me slow or old but I like the radio type format over the camcast video ... and yes i listen to audio books as well
Back OT..
Has anyone realized that Marriott is a major political corp... thus generating negative headlines for ???? on one hand does this help or hinder our cause??
just my
its late im tired and good food and a great bottle of wine make for scatter brain remarks.. 
I think it's more about how much money can we squeeze from every single person who walks in the door no matter what it is they try an nit pick at everything possible.
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