mech mod gets too hot when using 0.2ohm build

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mujuru

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how can i know if theres a short? the ohm meter shows a steady 0.21ohm.

Multimeter. Youre looking for a short in your switch... not your build. Have you taken apart your switch to clean it? That may help you.

Please be careful with that build.
 

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the atomizer itself doesnt get too hot, neigher the battery, but the mod itself (the button area) gets really hot after few seconds of using.

sony vtc4\5 (i think its original, got it from rtd).

thanks!

if you got some corrosion on the spring or button adding in 0.2 ohms extra resistance, then

your total power would be 16/0.4 = 40 watts with 20 watts vaping and 20 watts wasted heating up the bottom of the mod.

If it were a 0.8 ohm coil
your total power would be 16/1 = 16 watts with 13 watts vaping and 3 watts wasted heating up the bottom of the mod.
 

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The buttons are getting hot because you are trying to do extreme LR vaping on a crap clone, made of crap metal, with crap threads. All those things result in resistance in the circuit, which causes heat.

Take EVERYTHING apart and clean it with strong isopropyl alcohol.

Then take some polishing compound or jewelers rouge and put it on ALL the threaded bits and work them back and forth on each other for a while until they feel glass-smooth.

Then put some polishing compound or jeweler's rouge on a piece of flat glass and rub the flat part of your contacts on it until they shine like a mirror.

Wash EVERYTHING with warm water and use a soft brush in the threads if you have to to get all the polishing compound out. Then clean it all again with isopropyl, and put everything back together. This should help tremendously.

But the MAIN problem probably isn't contacts and threads. It's probably that the metal they make these clones from is crap. The brass they use is VERY low quality with JUST enough copper in it to make it look yellow, so it's not nearly as conductive as the "Naval Grade" brass they use in GGs or other high-end mechs. And the Stainless Steel they use is about the lowest grade of SS you can use and still legally call it Stainless Steel.

The QA/QC in China and their quality standards for metallurgy and manufacturing are only marginally better than what you'd get if you asked an average 3rd grader to build a mod for you...

My suggestion is, if you don't want to burn your fingers, or blow your face off doing these ridiculously low-resistance builds, to get a second job so you can afford to buy a decent "legitimate" high-end mech.

Running a 0.2ohm build on a clone and expecting it to work effectively and safely is like buying a used BMW from a stoner trust-fund kid at a PHISH concert, and then running it in the Dakar Rally and and expecting to win.

Just sayin'...
 
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Where do you live on the east coast, so when we read about someone blowing their face off we know it was you?

Seriously take the above advice before something bad happens. Do a little more research perhaps because it would be awful if your mod blew up in your face and hand. Even with the best equipment it is a possibility if you are not 100% aware of what you're doing.
 

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Sorry, but the only thing I can contribute is:

Duh!

Seriously? Your original post contains everything you need to know, if you knew what you need to know.

Can YOU figure out what the issue is? If not, then STOP VAPING AT 0.2 ohms until you understand the issues well enough to diagnose this yourself. You did a VERY good description of what is wrong!

Edit: I really don't mean to be harsh or nasty, but truth is what it is.

You do have great diagnostic skills, you explained in your OP exactly what was wrong. What troubles me is that you can't connect the dots. There is NO SUCH THING as a 0-ohm resistor (unless you somehow have a superconducting mod, and not even then).
 
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The buttons are getting hot because you are trying to do extreme LR vaping on a crap clone, made of crap metal, with crap threads. All those things result in resistance in the circuit, which causes heat.

Take EVERYTHING apart and clean it with strong isopropyl alcohol.

Then take some polishing compound or jewelers rouge and put it on ALL the threaded bits and work them back and forth on each other for a while until they feel glass-smooth.

Then put some polishing compound or jeweler's rouge on a piece of flat glass and rub the flat part of your contacts on it until they shine like a mirror.

Wash EVERYTHING with warm water and use a soft brush in the threads if you have to to get all the polishing compound out. Then clean it all again with isopropyl, and put everything back together. This should help tremendously.

But the MAIN problem probably isn't contacts and threads. It's probably that the metal they make these clones from is crap. The brass they use is VERY low quality with JUST enough copper in it to make it look yellow, so it's not nearly as conductive as the "Naval Grade" brass they use in GGs or other high-end mechs. And the Stainless Steel they use is about the lowest grade of SS you can use and still legally call it Stainless Steel.

The QA/QC in China and their quality standards for metallurgy and manufacturing are only marginally better than what you'd get if you asked an average 3rd grader to build a mod for you...

My suggestion is, if you don't want to burn your fingers, or blow your face off doing these ridiculously low-resistance builds, to get a second job so you can afford to buy a decent "legitimate" high-end mech.

Running a 0.2ohm build on a clone and expecting it to work effectively and safely is like buying a used BMW from a stoner trust-fund kid at a PHISH concert, and then running it in the Dakar Rally and and expecting to win.

Just sayin'...

No offense but I think you have a big fundamental gap in your understanding of what a mech mod is and or how they work.
 

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No offense but I think you have a big fundamental gap in your understanding of what a mech mod is and or how they work.

So what you are saying is that a mech mod with crappy rough, tarnished threads and contact, that is made out of metal that is essentially one step above "pot metal" will conduct electricity just as well as one with smooth, polished, clean threads and contacts, made from metallurgically superior metals?

And I'm the one who doesn't understand how a mech works?

I see what you did there...
 

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So what you are saying is that a mech mod with crappy rough, tarnished threads and contact, that is made out of metal that is essentially one step above "pot metal" will conduct electricity just as well as one with smooth, polished, clean threads and contacts, made from metallurgically superior metals?

And I'm the one who doesn't understand how a mech works?

I see what you did there...

Most all of the non Fasttech mystery mechs are made with good quality metals that are in a lot of cases machined as well as if not better than the originals.
 

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So what you are saying is that a mech mod with crappy rough, tarnished threads and contact, that is made out of metal that is essentially one step above "pot metal" will conduct electricity just as well as one with smooth, polished, clean threads and contacts, made from metallurgically superior metals?

And I'm the one who doesn't understand how a mech works?

I see what you did there...

Superior metal? Like a nemesis clone made of copper with silver pins that has less voltage drop than any authentic Atmo mod?


No, I honestly dont think you comprehend how these things work.

It sounds like you know just enough to be dangerous. You can regurgitate terms and concepts but there is no synthesis going on that represents comprehension in the aggregate.

There is no secret to clean machining work either. A CNC, lathe end mills whatever do not care what country they are in.

There are some crap clones out there, no doubt. But there are plenty of good ones, hCigar, infinite, eHpro etc etc that make 1:1 clones and such as the aforementioned example, SUPERIOR to the originals. Because there is no secret sauce involved in making a mech mod.

The lock on your bathroom door is FAR more complex than any mech.

The only thing - if at all - that the better clones may suffer from is a lousy spring or magnet. Now if your lack of mechanical inclination prevents you from installing and tuning a superior spring and magnet then I suppose you are better off paying 5x for an authentic, but honestly think you probably just shouldnt be using a mech or building coils in the first place. Stick to a provari and clearos.

:drops the mic:
/ thread jack off

sorry OP. Hope you get it sorted.
 

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he lock on your bathroom door is FAR more complex than any mech.


Yeah, but if the manufacturer of my bathroom lock uses crap metal and crap machining QC, and I do something stupid with the lock, it's not going to blow up in my face, or set my house on fire while I'm at work...
 

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Yeah, but if the manufacturer of my bathroom lock uses crap metal and crap machining QC, and I do something stupid with the lock, it's not going to blow up in my face, or set my house on fire while I'm at work...

Might be a good argument if not for the fact that half the original mods have just as many machining and QC issues nowadays.
 

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So what you are saying is that a mech mod with crappy rough, tarnished threads and contact, that is made out of metal that is essentially one step above "pot metal" will conduct electricity just as well as one with smooth, polished, clean threads and contacts, made from metallurgically superior metals?

And I'm the one who doesn't understand how a mech works?

You don't understand how electricity works.

At 4V / 0.2 ohm, you're trying to push 20A through the circuit. To safely pass a constant current of 20A - and then some - you need a conductor with a cross-sectional area of 4 mm2 or more. Vaping isn't a constant current, so in reality, you don't need that much, but let's assume the most stringent requirement for the sake of argument - i.e. let's assume that you absolutely NEED 4 mm2 to vape safely with a 0.2 ohm coil.

Now, what are the cross-sectional areas of the various conductive bits in a mod?

- The outside of a 510 connector - assuming a badly worn out thread - makes contact over 2.6 mm2 per turn (area of thread in contact between each turn of the male thread and each corresponding turn in the female thread). Assuming you only screw your topper 2 turns, that's still 5.2 mm2 of electrical contact - way more than needed, even if it's not made of magic metal.

- The inside of the 510 connector: mine here has a 3 mm diameter. That's a 7 mm2 contact area - way more than needed, even if it's not made of magic metal.

- The mod's body: suppose it's a 20 mm tube with a 0.5 mm wall thickness. That's a cross-sectional area of 30.6 mm2. WAAAY more than needed, even if it was made of a metal with a really bad conductivity.

- The battery's terminals: suppose it's a button top terminal with a 5 mm diameter. That's a 19.6 mm2 contact. WAAY more than needed. But for the sake of argument, let's say it's rounded and it only makes contact over half the diamter. That's a 2.5 mm diameter contact patch. Still more than enough at 4.9 mm2... As for the battery's minus terminal, it's wider, but it's in contact with the spring. Which brings us to...

- The spring: say it's 1 mm spring steel wire. The cross-sectional area of this wire is only 0.8 mm2. Now that is not enough. So let's work out the resistance it adds. Say it's a simple straight coil spring with a 15 mm diameter and 4 turns (oversimplifying here, but it's good enough): that works out roughly at 188 mm of spring steel wire. Assuming a resistivity of 6E-7 ohm/m, that's a 0.14 ohm resistance. Surprise surprise, it's not too far from 0.2 ohm eh? See why springs melt in mechs with shorted atties? See why sub-ohming with ordinary vaping hardware is completely dumb? But I digress...

- The button: resistance unknown in the OP's particular mod, but it's made in China and it's probably not designed to handle 20A. But more importantly, it's probably not designed to be arcing repeatedly each time it's used. How do I know? Because the OP says it gets really hot.

- The wiring, going from the battery's plus terminal to the button, and from the button to the 510 connector's center post: gauge unknown in the OP's particular mod. But what I can tell you is this: in my own Firebox mod that I've opened, I was shocked to find a really thin wire going to the 510 connector, considering the current going through it. Good thing it has time to cool off between vapes, because it must get quite hot. And *I* don't do sub-ohm. I wouldn't be surprised to find the same sort of thin wire in the OP's mod. The Chinese... they'll use anything as long as it's cheap.

So, you're free to buy mods made of super-duper magic metal, and you're free to polish and scrub them squeaky clean if that's what you like, but you should know that what you advise is more OCD rituals than engineering.
 
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