Mech Mod Safety

[Ben85]

IMO if you know what you’re doing Mech’s are safer due simply to the fact you’re responsible for your safety not some mass produced chip manufactured by workers earning slave wages in some 3rd world country.

With that said -

Here's my lecture I give new Mech users.

1. Ohm's law, Steam Engine | free vaping calculators makes it easy and there's even an app on it for Android

2. batteries,!!!!! take good care of your batteries and know them!!!!!!!

a. Avoid .... batteries like eFest who rewrap rejects with grossly inflated amp ratings. Stick with authentic LG, Sony or Samsung from reputable (not eBay or Amazon) sources, great places that I get authentics from are -

Liion Wholesale Batteries | Li-ion battery/cell distributor

Earth's #1 source for IMR 18650 Batteries, Chargers, Cases & Wraps | IMRbatteries.com

Illumn.com - Flashlights, Batteries, Carry Gear, Intelligent LED Lighting, and More!

b. Stick well within Continuous Discharge Rate (CDR) Not the "pulse"

c. Keep up to date with what Mooch tests and battery ratings, follow his posts on Facebook and his Blog and only use his recommend batteries.

d. In Mod's with multiple batteries, marry them.

e. Get some battery wraps, they're cheap and easy to re-wrap batteries. Any nicks,tears or what ever don't be stupid and just re-wrap.

3. Don't build stupid low a good builder can chuck and get awesome dense vape from a good build. It's simple, with 20 CDR Amp batteries -

a. Single battery mod's you're fine with .2 ohms on up

b. Dual Parallel you're fine with .15 on up. Parallel you take the full CDR of one battery then add 1/2 the CDR of the next battery

c. Series you double the voltage but you share the amps . So a series you build high with a lot of wire mass no lower that .4 ohms.

4. Make sure you don't have any shorts. For an extra caution any new build I will vape on a regulated mod for a few drips or with a tank about a 1/4 tank. This is to insure nothing wonky with my build like shorts.

5. Careful if it's not in your hand, if it doesn't have a lock on the button and you put it in your pocket (which I really don't recommend) insure nothing else is in your pocket and it's loose. Don't want to put it in your front pocket and blow your Johnson off ya know

6. Last but certainly NOT the least, keep it clean! Clean it when you first get it "before" you even use it and clean it on a regular basis.

a. Ultrasonics are a very good investment, got mine off Amazon for around $25.


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This +1

I stand by my comment In another thread that went down like a lead balloon. With knowledge, I still believe that mechs are safer than regulated mods. Seems I am not alone.

 

[bombastinator]

My point was that most batteries are dumping more than 7 amps sub-ohm.

True. Need a bigger fuse then. That sort of fuse would be for something like a Samsung 35e.

UPDATE: so I was looking at surface mount fuses which I am lightheartedly assuming are small enough to go onto a drop in disc.

There seem to be two types: slow blow and fast blow, and they like to come in multiples of 5amp, so there are 20s, 25s, 30s, etc.. I’m not sure which would be appropriate for what

 

[dripster]

This +1

I stand by my comment In another thread that went down like a lead balloon. With knowledge, I still believe that mechs are safer than regulated mods. Seems I am not alone.

With knowledge, yes of course. Knowledge has taught me you can point to a clear video of a regulated mod being charged internally over USB exploding in the middle of the night after which you can put up an argument that USB internal charging is technically materially (and mechanically) impossible with a mech, to which you can then add that the built-in safety protections of a regulated mod typically are made from Chinesium, that these built-in safety protections are very often doing more harm than good as they are an open invitation to wrongfully believing regulated mods are "safe" thus causing an awful lot of people to disregard the need to educating themselves properly about battery safety. But none of this will ever change the fact these bigots remain selectively allergic to knowledge. Which immediately helps to explain why I have been inactive on this forum website for the past few weeks. It's simply because I am genuinely allergic to people who suffer from selective allergies in this manner.

 

[bombastinator]

This +1

I stand by my comment In another thread that went down like a lead balloon. With knowledge, I still believe that mechs are safer than regulated mods. Seems I am not alone.

Knowledge and attention anyway. This is actually true I think, within the bounds of possibility. The problem is continuous attention. Some believe it is possible, some don’t, some do, but think it’s just too much trouble to bother with.

 

[dripster]

The sad reality is that the vast majority of regulated mod's "safety" apostles aren't even paying the smallest fraction of semi-continuous attention to this Battery Basics For Vapers episode:

 

[bombastinator]

The sad reality is that the vast majority of regulated mod's "safety" apostles aren't even paying the smallest fraction of semi-continuous attention to this Battery Basics For Vapers episode:

Video wouldn’t work on my iPhone had to move to desktop.
This video makes for a pretty piss poor argument for mechs being safer.

let’s star at 1:04 where he starts talking about how VV mods monitor battery discharge and mechs don’t. Moving on...
~2:00 he talks about atomizer short protection, another thing mechs don’t have.
~3:00 he talks about how with a user replaceable battery VV mod protection from mismatched batteries is not always reliable due to possible engineering or manufacturing error. Not great, but still better protection than a mech.
~5:00 VV mods do not protect against damaged battery wraps. Neither do mechs.
~7:30 temperature protection is often close to useless because it only measures mosfet heat not battery heat.
So inadequate protection for regulated vs none at all for mech.
~8:30 none of this means that either regulated OR unregulated mods are dangerous. He also points out that electronics are not 100% reliable
I’m guessing this bit is the only part you care about. He’s not wrong. He does say though that the electronics will work very close to 100% just not the full 100%. Mechs on the other hand have 0% because there’s no electronics at all.
He then goes through basic battery safety. Here’s the only point so far where mechs May have any kind of even equality at all, and even a tiny advantage:
If a regulated mod is left off with batteries in it it will still draw power and you could make a set of batteries useless if left for months. This is also true of mechs because simply existing draws down power, but the time is much longer.
Describes various safety procedures for low probability events that apply to both regulated and non-regulated mods equally.

There is zero win here for mechs somehow being “safer” than regulated mods. Quite the reverse, actually. It DOES point out that the risks for either system is not zero. This is known. I have never seen ANYONE claim that the risk of mod failure for any device is zero.
The argument for mechs seems to go “because mechs are so obviously more dangerous people will be more careful so that makes them better”
That is classic doublethink. “Danger is safety” to go along with “freedom is slavery” and “ignorance is strength”

 

[dripster]

Video wouldn’t work on my iPhone had to move to desktop.
This video makes for a pretty piss poor argument for mechs being safer.

let’s star at 1:04 where he starts talking about how VV mods monitor battery discharge and mechs don’t. Moving on...
~2:00 he talks about atomizer short protection, another thing mechs don’t have.
~3:00 he talks about how with a user replaceable battery VV mod protection from mismatched batteries is not always reliable due to possible engineering or manufacturing error. Not great, but still better protection than a mech.
~5:00 VV mods do not protect against damaged battery wraps. Neither do mechs.
~7:30 temperature protection is often close to useless because it only measures mosfet heat not battery heat.
So inadequate protection for regulated vs none at all for mech.
~8:30 none of this means that either regulated OR unregulated mods are dangerous. He also points out that electronics are not 100% reliable
I’m guessing this bit is the only part you care about. He’s not wrong. He does say though that the electronics will work very close to 100% just not the full 100%. Mechs on the other hand have 0% because there’s no electronics at all.
He then goes through basic battery safety. Here’s the only point so far where mechs May have any kind of even equality at all, and even a tiny advantage:
If a regulated mod is left off with batteries in it it will still draw power and you could make a set of batteries useless if left for months. This is also true of mechs because simply existing draws down power, but the time is much longer.
Describes various safety procedures for low probability events that apply to both regulated and non-regulated mods equally.

There is zero win here for mechs somehow being “safer” than regulated mods. Quite the reverse, actually. It DOES point out that the risks for either system is not zero. This is known. I have never seen ANYONE claim that the risk of mod failure for any device is zero.
The argument for mechs seems to go “because mechs are so obviously more dangerous people will be more careful so that makes them better”
That is classic doublethink. “Danger is safety” to go along with “freedom is slavery” and “ignorance is strength”

I never claimed mechs necessarily always are safer. As @Ben85 already pointed out, it largely depends on the person who uses them.

To me, an atomizer short on one of my mechs is something that just won't ever happen excepting only maybe if, for example, a meteor decides to fall right on top of my head. Whereas, to someone who can't or won't accept that this is true or who can't figure out how this can be at all possible, it is only logical the fact a regulated mod will normally be the safer bet. But you still can't blame that on the mech. Rather, that's just you and many others like you, who lack the personal capabilities required to be able to do the same. Just about any adult can go out to buy a tablesaw and cut off a limb. So if paying continuous attention is your problem, then probably you should not walk across the street because seriously you might get struck by a car. As for a user replaceable battery VV mod's protection from mismatched batteries, I don't mismatch batteries, and, the reason why I don't use an antivirus software package on my PC is because I don't download viruses.

Some mods do offer a little bit of protection against damaged battery wraps. Some mods have a tendency to tear up battery wraps. Some mechs have no vent holes, but usually if there aren't any vent holes, it doesn't take to be a clearvoyant to be able to see that there are no vent holes. So once again it still boils down to the user's knowledge being the determining factor, as mech mod users (myself included) aren't normally being forced to use a mech that has no vent holes. I have witnessed a Smok GX350 inadvertently jump to max power, the "inadvertently" part here meaning you won't notice it until it burns up your wicks or until it starts to auto fire in your backpack at 350 watts despite you're only vaping at 75 watts. No joke.

The point I'm trying to get across is you don't have to be an electronics expert to be able to figure out mech safety. Aside from self-discipline and unambiguous routine, for the most part it's just fairly straightforward mechanics, electromechanics, and thermodynamics in addition to knowledge about the batteries themselves, and, the latter type knowledge also applies to regulated mods. Whereas most electronics engineers can't even correctly get a handle on the safety of their own complex design implementations in a product that they themselves should be responsible for, let alone understand the safety parameters that characterize a similarly complex electronics component that's been designed and manufactured by an entire team of people whom they haven't even been in contact with.

The whole "no protection" argument against mechs is false. With a mech, I am the protection so there can be no doublethink, as it is the exact opposite of doublethink.

 

[bombastinator]

I never claimed mechs necessarily always are safer. As @Ben85 already pointed out, it largely depends on the person who uses them.

To me, an atomizer short on one of my mechs is something that just won't ever happen excepting only maybe if, for example, a meteor decides to fall right on top of my head. Whereas, to someone who can't or won't accept that this is true or who can't figure out how this can be at all possible, it is only logical the fact a regulated mod will normally be the safer bet. But you still can't blame that on the mech. Rather, that's just you and many others like you, who lack the personal capabilities required to be able to do the same. Just about any adult can go out to buy a tablesaw and cut off a limb. So if paying continuous attention is your problem, then probably you should not walk across the street because seriously you might get struck by a car. As for a user replaceable battery VV mod's protection from mismatched batteries, I don't mismatch batteries, and, the reason why I don't use an antivirus software package on my PC is because I don't download viruses.

Some mods do offer a little bit of protection against damaged battery wraps. Some mods have a tendency to tear up battery wraps. Some mechs have no vent holes, but usually if there aren't any vent holes, it doesn't take to be a clearvoyant to be able to see that there are no vent holes. So once again it still boils down to the user's knowledge being the determining factor, as mech mod users (myself included) aren't normally being forced to use a mech that has no vent holes. I have witnessed a Smok GX350 inadvertently jump to max power, the "inadvertently" part here meaning you won't notice it until it burns up your wicks or until it starts to auto fire in your backpack at 350 watts despite you're only vaping at 75 watts. No joke.

The point I'm trying to get across is you don't have to be an electronics expert to be able to figure out mech safety. Aside from self-discipline and unambiguous routine, for the most part it's just fairly straightforward mechanics, electromechanics, and thermodynamics in addition to knowledge about the batteries themselves, and, the latter type knowledge also applies to regulated mods. Whereas most electronics engineers can't even correctly get a handle on the safety of their own complex design implementations in a product that they themselves should be responsible for, let alone understand the safety parameters that characterize a similarly complex electronics component that's been designed and manufactured by an entire team of people whom they haven't even been in contact with.

The whole "no protection" argument against mechs is false. With a mech, I am the protection so there can be no doublethink, as it is the exact opposite of doublethink.

I was replying to this with cut quotes and everything till I got to the windows bit then I just erased it all. I was having fun. It was funny.
It ranged from stupifying lack of basic modern knowledge of power tools to lack of basic knowledge about road safety internationally, to I don’t even remember. The windows thing was a stopper though. There was just too much wrong. Not even a windows version. Just windows. Like they’re all the same. You claimed once to be an IT professional. I no longer believe the claim. Work in IT? Yes. Professional? No. I’d explain in detail why and how but it’s not about vaping.

 

[dripster]

I was replying to this with cut quotes and everything till I got to the windows bit then I just erased it all. I was having fun. It was funny.
It ranged from stupifying lack of basic modern knowledge of power tools to lack of basic knowledge about road safety internationally, to I don’t even remember. The windows thing was a stopper though. There was just too much wrong. Not even a windows version. Just windows. Like they’re all the same. You claimed once to be an IT professional. I no longer believe the claim. Work in IT? Yes. Professional? No. I’d explain in detail why and how but it’s not about vaping.

I have no idea what Windows has got to do with any of this. I certainly wasn't trying to imply that the average joe surfing on the web should avoid using antivirus software, just that some people whose knowledge and expertise goes a step or two beyond the usual kind of professionalism in certain areas are capable to take security to a whole other level, if they so desire, and, to investigate new strategies is part of what I do.

 

[r055co]

I was replying to this with cut quotes and everything till I got to the windows bit then I just erased it all. I was having fun. It was funny.
It ranged from stupifying lack of basic modern knowledge of power tools to lack of basic knowledge about road safety internationally, to I don’t even remember. The windows thing was a stopper though. There was just too much wrong. Not even a windows version. Just windows. Like they’re all the same. You claimed once to be an IT professional. I no longer believe the claim. Work in IT? Yes. Professional? No. I’d explain in detail why and how but it’s not about vaping.

Windows, well being a systems and network Engineer for over 20 years MS is from it’s core design fundamentally insecure for one simple fact, no real concept of user land. All OS’s are not the same so please don’t even attempt to say that they are


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