Mech mods are not electronic cigarettes
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How in the world could anything that would be a valid argument for our side in court be pointless to discuss?
Mechs use a electrical circuit to fire the coil..true, it's simple but a circuit just the same.. Lol
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Because it's not a valid argument. Mechs, regulated, etc. have been called e-cigarettes for years. The genie is out of the bottle. Trying to put it back in at this point just won't cut it.
So much this.
It's just too late. And calling a mech "not an electronic cigarette" is no better than calling it one. What else is it? Despite what some people here think, it's certainly not a "pipe bomb."
I don't know what else mechs are besides e-cigs/PVs/mods/whathave you. I will personally continue referring to them as such, and make the distinction in the (frankly few) instances it is necessary.
Also, it was basically addressed, but yes the term "mod" did indeed come from those "modified flashlights" and other bodies (like coke cans!) modified to be vaped on.
Opponents of electronic cigarettes don't care what it's called. They loathe them for the fact that they allow people to enjoy themselves cheaply and safely and they loathe you for using them. No semantics will change that.
All I know is that I'm sneaking up on 7 years explosion free using mechanicals. .. just sayin ..
or haven't yall noticed that it's normally 30 day wonders that cause them to explode
or haven't yall noticed that it's normally 30 day wonders that cause them to explode
For those of you who think specific language and semantics don't ever matter I would like to invite you to spend a day going back and forth with one of your local code officials on a new construction project, or even better an alteration. Semantics is oftentimes the only thing that saves me from specifying a completely over-designed and over-priced system, and it is oftentimes the only reason a specifying engineer doesn't have to pay out for change orders even when they're requested to.
The distinction between electric and electronic has probably saved, and destroyed, someone's career at some point. Don't even get me started on third party plan reviewers that can't even grasp the terms they're using when they send you a boiler plate plan review, I usually blow their whole review out of the water based on word definitions alone.
Will this ever do anything to change public perception? No of course not, you can't even get some of the public to believe it's not smoke. Will the distinction between electric and electronic play in court? No clue, but it could. Does the difference matter? YES.
So... do they have circuit boards or not, and if so what is the job of the board? Not a mech user myself (brother picked up my vape mail or I'd have one to look at) but I was under the impression there was not a circuit board.
The distinction between electric and electronic has probably saved, and destroyed, someone's career at some point. Don't even get me started on third party plan reviewers that can't even grasp the terms they're using when they send you a boiler plate plan review, I usually blow their whole review out of the water based on word definitions alone.
Will this ever do anything to change public perception? No of course not, you can't even get some of the public to believe it's not smoke. Will the distinction between electric and electronic play in court? No clue, but it could. Does the difference matter? YES.
So... do they have circuit boards or not, and if so what is the job of the board? Not a mech user myself (brother picked up my vape mail or I'd have one to look at) but I was under the impression there was not a circuit board.
Trying to compare a general term applied to vaping from day one and construction code is beyond specious.
Mech mods were not around from day one. The earliest ecigs were regulated. Some vapers wanted more power so mechs filled the gap until more powerful electronically regulated products were introduced but by then mechs had their following. If it were up to me I'd protect vaping as a whole by distancing ecigs from their higher risk offspring. The people who want to use them will do that but there's no reason the safety record of mechs should be allowed to tar the reputation of regulated products that rarely cause trouble. There are lots of things inexperienced people should avoid. With most of those it's intuitively obvious some skill is required. It is NOT obvious with mechs and THAT'S the problem with them.
And when mechs arrived on the scene, they, too were called e-cigarettes.
Again, the term has been in use from the beginning and trying to stuff the genie back into the bottle isn't going to work. Doesn't matter how hard you wish it, the term is here to stay regardless of the argument made otherwise.
But, how many plans have slipped through with the incorrect term "hot water heater"? The term is incorrect but everyone knows what it is referring to.
Specious = falsely appearing to be fair, just, or right : appearing to be true but actually false.
Calling it an electronic cigarette if it's actually an electric cigarette would be specious. My post? Not sure how. Court rooms care about both, technical definitions and generally accepted usage. Everyone in this thread knows what the generally accepted usage is and I don't think anyone actually expects that to change besides maybe the OP. I'm merely trying to figure out what the technical definition is.
Same here...been vaping mechs with hybrid top caps even..going on 6 yrs..no explosions or venting batts..
Love my mechs!
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Are the coils in Mech's cream cheese powered?
its a handheld electric cotton/rayon/etc toaster which is inhibited by the application of VG/PG/Nic/Flavors combination juice... 
The earliest e-cigs didn't have a screen.
Is a device with a screen not an e-cig?
The earliest atomizers used nichrome and silica. Is an RDA with stainless and cotton not an atomizer?
Etc.
Linguistics is a passion of mine. I am usually the first person to argue semantics when it's sensible.
I don't see the sense here. If you think that regulatory bodies would be more reasonable about regulating a device because it has a screen and a board, I believe you're wrong. Regardless, the implicit suggestion in that case is that devices with a board are safer, which isn't categorically true. To be honest, I think I feel safer with a quality mechanical device-- especially a dual parallel-- and my own knowledge than a cheap, dual battery, 200W mod from China.
As an aside, let us all remember that while sub-ohming is popular, using a mech is NOT synonymous with the practice.
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