Mech mods are not electronic cigarettes
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I have to agree with you on that. I've used vaporizer most of my time vaping. Still an analogy I generally use, even with a mech or regulated, its the idiot behind the wheel driving it that determines how safe or unsafe it is. Put diesel in the tank instead of regular gas you'll ruin the engine if the car was designed for regular gas, same goes for batteries, types of builds the whole nine yards. Most of the accidents we've had with vaporizers were 90% user error, improper charging practices, improper batteries, improper battery carrying, improper builds, improper matching of device and atomizer. Can give a person a driver's license but that license still doesn't mean the person can drive safely.
Don't start talking about bioelectronics or the FDA will decide the user is part of a nicotine delivery system and will want to regulate us.
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It also isn't necessary to sub-ohm to use a mechanical.
(my 8 amp batteries (18490s) handle a 2.3 amp load quite nicely)
Words like "safe" or "dangerous" are opinions, debatable, subjective. "Risk" is quantifiable. Mechs are higher risk for injury accidents. Both government and the vape industry understand that but each, for different reasons, don't want to clarify the difference for the sake of public safety. I have a problem with that.
Saying all mech are higher risk for injury accidents is also opinion, debatable & subjective. One could argue that faux hybrids are a higher risk but lumping them in with all mechs is a bit contrary to your OP.
That's precisely what I meant when I said they're not synonymous... it works both ways
"One does not need a mech to subohm [ed: in 2016]; one does not need to subohm on a mech."
What's your source? I have not found a quantified risk assessment of each.
What carries more risk, using a very sharp knife or one that is less sharp? Racecar driving or highway driving in a sedan?
My source is news reports found in Google searches. Based on those virtually all injury accidents while vaping involve mechanical mods.
The whole safety issue should be left up to the CPSC and not the FDA. The FDA doesn't regulate laptops or cell phones or any other battery operated device with the potential for mishaps. Any argument the FDA makes based on electric/electronic safety should be thrown out because that is not their area of expertise or authority.
I just got the memo ... mechs will no longer be called electronic cigarettes
The FDA has renamed them ENDS
I can imagine they got a really good laugh whenever they came up with that one. so very apropos.I just got the memo ... mechs will no longer be called electronic cigarettes
The FDA has renamed them ENDS
If that were the case, we'd be in serious doo-doo.
FDA identifies 92 events of overheating/fires/explosions from 2009 to 2015
There have been enough incidents where the government could have stepped in. And if you thought government regulation was bad now, that's nothing after CPSC gets done with something (think what happens after OSHA gets involved with safety issues).
So, anecdotal evidence stated in a way to support your claims. How scientific of you.
I'm sorry, that might be a little rude, but seriously: I've probably read more instances of regulated mods having serious trouble than mechs, all over this forum and others. That's partially because more people use regulated mods. It doesn't mean that all regulated mods are more dangerous than mechs. So I don't say that.
I think I understand what you're trying to say but either way, to me you are painting with too broad of a stroke to be accurate.
Just because the media likes to sensationalize mech mods venting or exploding doesn't make them inherently more risky. ALL personal vaporizers can be safe or not, depending on how you use them, how much you know, and how well they are made.
There is, by definition, less protection on a mech mod. This does not automatically equate to more risk because there is such a wide range of variables.
And I am restating a point I already made: by and large, with mechanical mods, these risks go up when the resistance goes down. Yes, any mech mod, and indeed any mod at all, can fail. However, saying that someone using a 1.5ohm build with a 20A battery is taking as much risk as someone using a 0.15ohm build with a 10A battery in a mech is simply not based in reality. But both are mechs, and according to what you have been saying, both are equally bad. You argue about semantics and being more specific but have thus far left out those kinds of details which make a difference in safety. There are so many variables here and your statements are so broad that by default, they are not ringing true.
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News reports are part of my research, but so are self reported issues on forums and at vape shops. Many reports of regulated mod melt downs that would never occur with a mech. Autofiring even when powered down is a serious issue. Many news reports for injury are caused by loose batteries kept unprotected in a pocket, purse, or car.
If a problem were to happen when I am using a mech, it is most likely caused by user error. If a problem occurs when I am using a regulated device, it's most likely because of device failure.
Right, if anything I would be more inclined to put certain devices with non-removable batteries into a "more dangerous" category. I still use them, but I understand the risk I am taking and accept that risk. Same with any other device, really.
There are risks with regulated mods as well as mechanical devices. They are different risks, but not inherently worse or better, more or less. Not when discussing all mechanical devices against all regulated devices. Sometimes there's a way to get more quantifiable risk assessments, but then we're talking about specific set-ups, not "mechanical mods" or "regulated mods," full stop.
There are risks with regulated mods as well as mechanical devices. They are different risks, but not inherently worse or better, more or less. Not when discussing all mechanical devices against all regulated devices. Sometimes there's a way to get more quantifiable risk assessments, but then we're talking about specific set-ups, not "mechanical mods" or "regulated mods," full stop.
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