Mechanical forum?

[ClippinWings]

I've noticed that there seems to be a TON of confusion by people regarding Mechanicals...

In the last hour I have seen:

The Bolt and Silver Bullet referred to as "Mechanical" and "Rock Solid Mechanical"

and someone looking for "a VV/VW Mechanical since the Darwin is unobtainable"

I think this confusion stems from the Mechanical discussions being included with Hybrids and other High End APVs in the APV forum.

Just something I've noticed... I've been making a point to correct people when I see strange statements like the ones above... just wondering If it's been considered.

If somehow I missed the fact that this forum already exists, I apologize... but it seems apparent that if that is the case... i'm not alone.

 

[oldsoldier]

Honestly there is no such thing as a mechanical mod. If it has a battery it isn't mechanical

 

[VpnDrgn]

Honestly there is no such thing as a mechanical mod. If it has a battery it isn't mechanical

While that is true as far as the strict definition of mechanical goes, that would be like saying a bicycle is not mechanical
because the human body is chemical.

Any thing without any controlling circuitry ( other than the pcb's built into the batts ), has historically been called a mechanical mod.

Anything VV/VW is obviously not a "mechanical" mod. A hybrid is generally a basic tube mod with a tank style RBA built into it.
Since there is no controlling or adjustable circuitry, then yes, it would be a "mechanical" mod.

 

[oldsoldier]

While that is true as far as the strict definition of mechanical goes, that would be like saying a bicycle is not mechanical
because the human body is chemical.

Any thing without any controlling circuitry ( other than the pcb's built into the batts ), has historically been called a mechanical mod.

Anything VV/VW is obviously not a "mechanical" mod. A hybrid is generally a basic tube mod with a tank style RBA built into it.
Since there is no controlling or adjustable circuitry, then yes, it would be a "mechanical" mod.

um no. while I was being sarcastic I guess it is time to set things straight.

Mechanical mods are mods that traditionally do not use a manufactured "standard" switch and wiring to complete the circuit. IE they use a post and spring or some other method to close the circuit and use the body of the mod as a ground.. Thus a silver bullet is not a mechanical mod in the accepted vaping sense of the word

A mod without WIRES is a mechanical mod. Mechanical mods use a lever or post or stud to either close the circuit by contact or push the battery into the positive contact thus completing the circuit. Using the word controlling circuitry is incorrect because closing the circuit activates the mod and thus controls it. If you mean controlling circuitry in context of variable voltage control then I can agree, though it can be argued that you can make a mechanical mod that incorporates a VV chip. ( I don't buy this argument though)

In short a mechanical mod has no wires and doesn't use soldered connections or standard switches. it uses the metallic portions of the mod body and a metallic lever or switch to close the circuit.

But back to the original topic -- in my opinion mechanical mods do not warrant a separate subforum because they are simply a fixed voltage mod with a different switch.

 

[rolygate]

@OS

Haha. Good point.

However the OP is correct, there are mechanical APVs (ex: XHaler), which have no wiring at all and use a spring-loaded metal pin to bridge the circuit; electrical APVs (ex: Silver Bullet), which have a wired positive circuit through an electrical switch; electronic regulated single-voltage APVs (ex: 5v boxmod); electronic VV APVs; etc etc.

Many people confuse mechanical and electrical devices. A mechanical device has no wiring at all and therefore cannot use a regular electrical switch, it just bridges the circuit mechanically to operate.

We should maybe invent a new type: the genuine mechanical APV or 'OldSoldier Mk1', it will have a wind-up handle or something instead of a battery. "It even works in the trenches or deep in the jungle on long missions behind enemy lines."

 

[xxtigerxeyesxx]

we need to come up with a wind up mod something like an old wind up generator lol wind and vape sounds good to lol

 

[oldsoldier]

a purely mechanical mod that winds up a flywheel that rubs two sticks together to create friction heat

 

[Killjoy1]

I'd buy it. The ultimate PV for long camping trips and/or zombie apocalypses

 

[tnt56]

From the start I knew this was gonna be a good one. You moderators make me laugh sometimes. I don't want the hand crank, I want solar power or maybe wind power. After all I live In Oklahoma where the wind come sweeping down the planes. And if I could get different colored blades that would be a great plus. (sorry but I had to do that).

 

[corruption42]

Solar and wind would require some sort of capacitor, so wouldn't be mechanical... but somehow I'm picturing a baseball helmet with solar panels and a sizable turbine on the top, with lines leading back to your PV -- kinda like the beer holder hats.

 

[VpnDrgn]

um no. while I was being sarcastic I guess it is time to set things straight.

Mechanical mods are mods that traditionally do not use a manufactured "standard" switch and wiring to complete the circuit. IE they use a post and spring or some other method to close the circuit and use the body of the mod as a ground.. Thus a silver bullet is not a mechanical mod in the accepted vaping sense of the word

A mod without WIRES is a mechanical mod. Mechanical mods use a lever or post or stud to either close the circuit by contact or push the battery into the positive contact thus completing the circuit. Using the word controlling circuitry is incorrect because closing the circuit activates the mod and thus controls it. If you mean controlling circuitry in context of variable voltage control then I can agree, though it can be argued that you can make a mechanical mod that incorporates a VV chip. ( I don't buy this argument though)

In short a mechanical mod has no wires and doesn't use soldered connections or standard switches. it uses the metallic portions of the mod body and a metallic lever or switch to close the circuit.

But back to the original topic -- in my opinion mechanical mods do not warrant a separate subforum because they are simply a fixed voltage mod with a different switch.

Hmmm... OK, I would agree with that argument; but I would also argue that mods like the SB, grounded through the body,
with a simple contact switch to complete the "wired" positive connection, are referred to by most ( that I have seen )
as mechanical mods.

By your definition, most hybrids I have seen ( IHybrid for example ) are mechanical, but the OP makes a statement that I read as, he doesn't consider hybrids as mechanical. quote - "I think this confusion stems from the Mechanical discussions being included with Hybrids and other High End APVs in the APV forum."

There aren't that many pure mechanical mods out there to warrant another forum. Though, to play the devil's advocate, there are recently more and more popping up. I kind of consider them "hipster" mods. You got to be "in the know" just to know where to go just to get on a list to buy/pre-order one as it is available.

Of course, that doesn't include the handful of Chinese clones that have been hitting the market recently.
( mostly telescoping mods, from what I have seen )

 

[ClippinWings]

By your definition, most hybrids I have seen ( IHybrid for example ) are mechanical, but the OP makes a statement that I read as, he doesn't consider hybrids as mechanical. quote - "I think this confusion stems from the Mechanical discussions being included with Hybrids and other High End APVs in the APV forum."

I said that because I think people get confused by all the different types of APVs in the APV forum.

I probably could have phrased it better.

Hybrid are in all cases I've seen, mechanical.


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[ClippinWings]

There aren't that many pure mechanical mods out there to warrant another forum. Though, to play the devil's advocate, there are recently more and more popping up. I kind of consider them "hipster" mods. You got to be "in the know" just to know where to go just to get on a list to buy/pre-order one as it is available

Roller
Dingo
69
Nzonic
Chi you
Gg
Precise
Caravela
Natural
Cc
Ihybrid
Zen
Slider
Sidewinder
Empire

That's off the top of my head... There is probably 4x that many

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[Heavyrocker]

Ive read that the Smoktek SS telescope mod has wires in the top cap going from the pin.

 

[ukeman]

I like the OP theme here... recently got into SLR (superlow resistance) Genesis RBA's and the fantastic (like none other) vape and found myself at a loss to explain (to myself) which "mechanical" pv I needed.
I've been around a while and the Genesis deal passed me by for a year before the "Hybrid" devices came along with their fan base touting sub 1.0 Ohms coils. My "vet" standing left me disbelieving such low resistance wouldn't result in harsh burnt vaping, until i realized that proper Genesis wicking will eliminate burning, and the "mechanical" device would avoid electronic meltdown and allow an IMR battery to provide efficient power.

Anyway I think that is where the confusion arises... and believe me, "mechanicals" (like the Polidiac BTO I just got) are here to stay and we will see a lot more of these.

 

[Blix]

Ive read that the Smoktek SS telescope mod has wires in the top cap going from the pin.

It's got one wire. I opened mine and checked.

 

[Heavyrocker]

It's got one wire. I opened mine and checked.

At least if the wire burns out,you can resolder it.

 

[xxtigerxeyesxx]

Good morning all I was curious does anyone know if there is any wiring in the natural mech mod ? I was gonna buy 1 just as a back up are these a true mech mod?

 

[corruption42]

Good morning all I was curious does anyone know if there is any wiring in the natural mech mod ? I was gonna buy 1 just as a back up are these a true mech mod?

This is not a Q/A thread -- I'd go post this in the APV forum if you want an answer.

 

[Fiamma]

@OS

Haha. Good point.

However the OP is correct, there are mechanical APVs (ex: XHaler), which have no wiring at all and use a spring-loaded metal pin to bridge the circuit; electrical APVs (ex: Silver Bullet), which have a wired positive circuit through an electrical switch; electronic regulated single-voltage APVs (ex: 5v boxmod); electronic VV APVs; etc etc.

Many people confuse mechanical and electrical devices. A mechanical device has no wiring at all and therefore cannot use a regular electrical switch, it just bridges the circuit mechanically to operate.

We should maybe invent a new type: the genuine mechanical APV or 'OldSoldier Mk1', it will have a wind-up handle or something instead of a battery. "It even works in the trenches or deep in the jungle on long missions behind enemy lines."

LOL, I wish I could like this ten or twenty times.