Mechanical Mod/RBA safety question

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There is no dumb questions, only arrogant know- it- all dumb replies. Came here to learn, not be insulted. If something is dumb to you it may be new to another. Taking time to explain fundamental processes and repetition is how we newbies learn. All I want to know is why my mech is getting hot, not perfect vape or sub ohms. Like I said was using a sigelei 19 with a smok mega ego cart w/ 510 threads rated 1.5... Haven't read anything yet as to why this happened anywhere, and no I dod mot "mod" it
There may or may not be dumb questions, but there definitely are inconsiderate questions and yours fall into that category. The op had a question about his rba and you jump in with questions about your sigelei and carts How about you start your own thread instead of hijacking this one.
 

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I would like to personally thank AttyPops, Bikini_kill, ClippinWings, Lightseeker, and others for stepping in with their opinion on this situation. When I became aware that the original poster was a new vapor using an RBA with little clue of what he was doing or working with, the alarms went off in my head.

I was afraid I would be the only one to alert this person that what he was doing was dangerous. To hear of salesmen in vape shops who are selling sophisticated devices that have such dangerous potential without a conscience of the disservice they are doing is unethical, a poor business practice, and showing little regard for human safety. These salesmen are either only after a quick buck, or are totally ignorant themselves what they are doing. Sub-1 ohm coils are not for the ignorant to be using.

To need to ask the question about what would using a multimeter do when using an RBA just proves that people are disregarding the warnings that rebuildable atomizers are advanced products for advanced vapors only. Far too often I see ECF members recommending RBA's to obviously new vapors whose previous vaping experience is with an 510 cigalike. Come on people, please take into consideration the level of expertise people have before recommending an RBA. Encourage them to research RBA's, but also provide a warning that these are for advanced vapors and to not attempt to use one until they have done adequate homework.

I was an experienced vapor of several months, even considered by many here an expert on cartotanks, before I decided to attempt my first RBA. I found the whole concept intimidating, even with my experience. I spent hours upon hours researching, reading, watching video demos, assimulating all the equipment and tools that I would need before purchasing one.

Honestly, Bad, I don't know what we can do at this point. In almost every new thread in NM forum there is someone recommending RBA and mechanical mods to folks with 3 posts and a Blu kit... I tried to intervene, but I'm so tired of getting bashed by the sub-ohm fans that I just make my recommendation and run. I can't tell you how many times I've been told that building your own coils is easy and any noob can do it. :facepalm: I know you have tried too and I applaud you for that.
 

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If ya think people recommending rbas is bad, take a look at the idiots telling others to give DIY a try, it's easy! Yes it is easy....but also deadly if you're ignorant. And I've seem many ignorant questions :(

You have no idea...

I love those threads that start with "I have a bottle of 100% [sic] nicotine." :facepalm:
 

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Thanks for the support, Katya. I propose someone write a warning thread of some sort that can become a sticky in the New Member's Forum. This must be located where new vapors can easily find and read it, and also where experienced vapors can direct new vapors to read it.

The battery safety thread that is stickied way down by the Supplier's Sub-Forum needs to be moved to the New Members forum, too. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/warning-rechargeable-batteries-apvs-mods/ Very few people venture any farther down the forum than main area.

This is an important safety issue which could potentially affect the entire vaping community in a negative way. All it will take is one unfortunate mishap to make the news and place a bad light upon our entire vaping community, not to mention a fellow human being possibly becoming seriously injured or causing major fire damage to their home.

The forum administrator needs to address these issues. ECF has grown too large and it is too difficult for new members to find basic and important information. There is some beginners info in the "InfoZone", but even that is way out-dated.
 
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Actually, Atty, TomCatt and a few others are working right now on a new sticky about ohms, volts, watts and amps in general--I was thinking about adding your posts about batteries (from that other thread :)) and your post from this thread in the safety area--with your permission, of course. When the time comes, we may ask you to amend--expand your posts, if you wish.

@Atty, we do need to address safety in the sticky. :D
 

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Bad, ya know I fully agree & support you, but take a look at the DIYarea. Dozens of important faqs in bold caps saying must read ..... And new topics daily that are Addressed inside them. Noones reading, just buying crap & asking questions.

I agree, nobody reads stickies, but having all the important information in one place that can easily be linked--rather than typing the same stuff over and over--will make our lives easier.
 
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I agree, nobody reads stickies, but having all the important information in one place that can can easily be linked--rather than typing the same stuff over and over--will make our lives easier.
I agree. I can't tell you how many people have asked for a couple of my blog articles to be stickied, in particular the one on juice delivery devices. I'm not exagerating this, just read the comments at the end of the article. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blogs/baditude/index2.html

I find it ridiculous to have to link it from my blog in every thread when someone needs it, when it could easily be stickied at the top of the New Members Forum. I asked a couple of our Moderators to do so, and they replied that they do not have that autority, only the Forum Administrator does. So I asked Old Soldier to do so, and got no reply.
 
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Honestly, Bad, I don't know what we can do at this point. In almost every new thread in NM forum there is someone recommending RBA and mechanical mods to folks with 3 posts and a Blu kit... I tried to intervene, but I'm so tired of getting bashed by the sub-ohm fans that I just make my recommendation and run. I can't tell you how many times I've been told that building your own coils is easy and any noob can do it. :facepalm: I know you have tried too and I applaud you for that.

I'm a huge Sub-Ohm fan... and I find it easy.... BUT, as evidenced by the many posts I've seen on here... they'r enot.

I just want to make sure that someone doesn't injure themselves or others... It took me over a year of vaping and reading to make the jump to SLR...
 

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I was an experienced vapor of several months, even considered by many here to be an expert on cartotanks, before I decided to attempt my first RBA. I found the whole RBA concept intimidating, even with my experience. I spent hours upon hours researching, reading, watching video demos, assimulating all the equipment and tools that I would need before purchasing one.

Well, that's my :2c:. Who agrees with this?
I agree with your sentiment that experience is needed, but I wonder whether the concept that "RBAs are for people who are experienced with e-cigs" is a little flawed. If you have even basic experience with electronics, you likely have the knowledge and the experience you need to understand what's going on with a mechanical mod and an RBA. It's certainly going to get you further than a year of experience with a basic PV and premade *mizers that you never have to meter, right?

RBAs are fine for people who can (or want to) understand the basics of electrical circuits, battery technology, and aren't afraid to do some simple math. They are not fine for people who can't or don't want to do these sorts of things, regardless of how much experience they have with other types of setups.

I bought a mechanical as my first mod (hey, I break things easily...) and was onto RBAs almost immediately. The only reason it took me any time at all was that I was afraid there was some other mysterious factor specific to e-cigarettes that I needed to catch onto first, but at that point I had already researched the battery situation to death before buying my mech mod so I was off to a good start.

That said, I did start with cartotanks, and consider myself very fortunate to have benefited from your cartotank experience, Baditude - thanks again for those blog posts! :)
 

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I agree. I can't tell you how many people have asked for a couple of my blog articles to be stickied, in particular the one on juice delivery devices. I asked a couple of our Moderators to do so, and they replied that they do not have that autority, only the forum administrator does. So I asked Old Soldier to do so, and got no reply.

This forum is growing so fast that it's almost impossible to find anything anymore. I agree. Info zone is outdated and nobody reads it anyway, I don't know why... All those folks asking what a cartomizer is. :p

On the other hand, the industry is changing so rapidly that it's almost impossible to keep up.

Well, the Ohm's Law is not going to become obsolete anytime soon, that's why we're addressing it in the proposed sticky.
 

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I agree with your sentiment that experience is needed, but I wonder whether the concept that "RBAs are for people who are experienced with e-cigs" is a little flawed. If you have even basic experience with electronics, you likely have the knowledge and the experience you need to understand what's going on with a mechanical mod and an RBA. It's certainly going to get you further than a year of experience with a basic PV and premade *mizers that you never have to meter, right?

RBAs are fine for people who can (or want to) understand the basics of electrical circuits, battery technology, and aren't afraid to do some simple math. They are not fine for people who can't or don't want to do these sorts of things, regardless of how much experience they have with other types of setups.

I bought a mechanical as my first mod (hey, I break things easily...) and was onto RBAs almost immediately. The only reason it took me any time at all was that I was afraid there was some other mysterious factor specific to e-cigarettes that I needed to catch onto first, but at that point I had already researched the battery situation to death before buying my mech mod so I was off to a good start.

That said, I did start with cartotanks, and consider myself very fortunate to have benefited from your cartotank experience, Baditude - thanks again for those blog posts! :)
Thanks for the recognition, Bikini. I appreciate it. :)

However, the original poster is a perfect example that some people are "ignorant" (for lack of a better word) of the basic concepts that you take for granted. Yet they are innocently jumping right into RBA's.

And now, a moderator has decided to bury this thread in a specialty sub-forum where new members and new vapors are not likely to find it. :facepalm:
 
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However, the original poster is a perfect example that some people are "ignorant" (for lack of a better word) of the the basic concepts that you take for granted.
To clarify what I meant (which may or may not be related to what I actually said, LOL), it's not that I take those basic concepts for granted, by any means. It's that when talking about what you need to get started with RBAs, I'd rather people say, "RBAs are for anyone who's willing to understand the basics of electricity, battery safety, and math" than, "RBAs are for anyone who has sufficient vaping experience", because the latter seems to me to be a highly nebulous concept that isn't always (or even often?) directly relevant.

Hopefully that was more sensical of me. :p
 

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I find it ridiculous to have to link it from my blog in every thread when someone needs it, when it could easily be stickied at the top of the sub-forum. I asked a couple of our Moderators to do so, and they replied that they do not have that autority, only the Forum Administrator does. So I asked Old Soldier to do so, and got no reply.

I think that your blog entries should be included in the Info Zone--as mandatory reading. :)
 

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It took me over a year of vaping and reading to make the jump to SLR...

Do believe that's the crux of the issue.... Not taking the required time and jumping levels.

Everyone's path is different, but usually goes along the lines of:
Disposable > ego > vv/vw > carto/clearo/tank > mech > DIY > rda > rba > slr

Swap a couple around, but the normal progression. Problems come when someone skips multiple levels, never had the experience to learn. But read on the forum how great the more advanced methods are, and have credit card in hand.
 

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To clarify what I meant (which may or may not be related to what I actually said, LOL), it's not that I take those basic concepts for granted, by any means. It's that when talking about what you need to get started with RBAs, I'd rather people say, "RBAs are for anyone who's willing to understand the basics of electricity, battery safety, and math" than, "RBAs are for anyone who has sufficient vaping experience", because the latter seems to me to be a highly nebulous concept that isn't always (or even often?) directly relevant.

Hopefully that was more sensical of me. :p

+1.

That said, experienced vapers become familiar (hopefully) with those issues. I know I did--I had no choice. I started with a Green Smoke kit and prefilled cartomizers and within a few months I bought a multimeter. ;) And became very familiar with the Ohm's Law. :lol:
 

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However, the original poster is a perfect example that some people are "ignorant" (for lack of a better word) of the basic concepts that you take for granted. Yet they are innocently jumping right into RBA's.:

And I want to make it VERY CLEAR to the OP that nobody here is personally slamming you and insulting your intelligence, you're unfortunately just a perfect example of the issue. Hang in there, we luv ya :)
 
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