Mechanical series tube

[tj99959]

The series tubes are the big long light Sabre looking things. Iirc. I’m not at all sure it is physically possible to not look like an idiot when holding one.

The problem with this concept that I see is that mechs require careful handling, setup, measurements, and a certain amount of math to use. They can be quite dangerous when handled by idiots. They’re even dangerous when not being handled by idiots.
Waving a foot long tube mech around in public kind of says to the world “I am an idiot”.

It didn’t used to be this way of course. The issue is new batteries just hold a lot more energy. Enough to overwhelm many mechanical safety features.

Guess I'm an idiot then.
Any more all I use are my Caravelas ... with a center pin even ... , with A7 minis to make them look even more like a rocket ready to be fired.

Now I don't know what news source you have been using, BUT, just what are these new fangled things in batteries that will "overwhelm" a mechanical mods safety features????

Got news for ya ........ batteries have gotten SAFER!
I now use 20a INR cells to vape at 2a, instead of the 4-6a ICR cells of days of old.

So call me when you really have something worth saying!!

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I won't even mention Caravela Mods new NAU mod, because it's a faux hybrid.

 

[Baditude]

Just noticed something... strange rules around here: I can use the word penis, but not the three letters W, T, F... am I missing something?

P.E.N.I.S. = Personal Electronic Nicotine Inhaling System

The moral to this story? The longer the P.E.N.I.S, the more there is to share. That's what HE said.

 

[bombastinator]

Guess I'm an idiot then.
Any more all I use are my Caravelas ... with a center pin even ... , with A7 minis to make them look even more like a rocket ready to be fired.

Now I don't know what news source you have been using, BUT, just what are these new fangled things in batteries that will "overwhelm" a mechanical mods safety features????

Got news for ya ........ batteries have gotten SAFER!
I now use 20a INR cells to vape at 2a, instead of the 4-6a ICR cells of days of old.

So call me when you really have something worth saying!!

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I won't even mention Caravela Mods new NAU mod, because it's a faux hybrid.

Oh god. This whole thing again.

There are whole threads on this around. Every time this comes up it turns into a mech evangelism/flame fest. I’m so sick of it.

Anyway here’s my best understanding of the topic. Consider it a recap of at least one side of the argument.

There are two ways to consider that safety. Chemistry and raw joules. Chemistry and case design have improved, but joules have also gone up. So far as I have been able to tell from reading it is at best a wash. With wrinkles.

It is not “new fangled” unless you’re measuring by decade. You remember maybe 10-15 years ago when everyone said you should only use “IMR” batteries in a mech even though they didn’t have a lot of power? (Yes it’s an incorrect term. It’s what they were called at the time though. There’s a whole other flame thread that could happen)
There was a reason for that. Those particular batteries didn’t carry a lot of joules and had a particularly stable chemistry so they melted rather than exploding under thermal runaway. The mechs of the era had safety features. The big one was a really strong airtight case. They would hold the power of a disintigating battery in by main force. The problem now is batteries are higher energy. High enough that the whole strong case thing not only no longer works it actually makes things much worse. (Think hand grenade tech). Newer mechs got holes drilled into them to release this pressure. This should theoretically work even though it may (as in might or might not. Calm down) turn the mod into a rocket engine depending on how much is released. The word “Theoretically” is key though. They’re generally not actually tested. Overkill which in this case means even more and larger holes should help, but the whole thing is still kind of a question mark.

There is hope though that new battery designs (glass batteries in particular come to mind though there are others) not yet out may reduce this problem below the tipping point again and pure mechs will Rise again to prominence.

 

[Baditude]

There are two ways to consider that safety. Chemistry and raw joules. Chemistry and case design have improved, but joules have also gone up. So far as I have been able to tell from reading it is at best a wash. With wrinkles.

It is not “new fangled” unless you’re measuring by decade. You remember maybe 10-15 years ago when everyone said you should only use “IMR” batteries in a mech even though they didn’t have a lot of power? (Yes it’s an incorrect term. It’s what they were called at the time though. There’s a whole other flame thread that could happen)
There was a reason for that. Those particular batteries didn’t carry a lot of joules and had a particularly stable chemistry so they melted rather than exploding under thermal runaway. The mechs of the era had safety features. The big one was a really strong airtight case. They would hold the power of a disintigating battery in by main force. The problem now is batteries are higher energy. High enough that the whole strong case thing not only no longer works it actually makes things much worse. (Think hand grenade tech). Newer mechs got holes drilled into them to release this pressure. This should theoretically work even though it may (as in might or might not. Calm down) turn the mod into a rocket engine depending on how much is released. The word “Theoretically” is key though. They’re generally not actually tested. Overkill which in this case means even more and larger holes should help, but the whole thing is still kind of a question mark.

I'm a little reluctant to further derail this thread, but I believe your history and chemistry lesson is a bit off.

When I began vaping in 2012, the best battery available for our mechanical mods was the trusty old Trustfire ICR battery. Probably had maybe 4 amps cdr, but they didn't rate batteries by continuous discharge rate at the time. I actually had one explode in my mech. Capacity (mAh) was the only spec that mattered then. (Nobody in their right mind today would use a Trustfire, Surefire, or Ultrafire battery for vaping. In fact, they are widely considered obsolete for vaping today.)

Somewhere around this time period AW came out with the first IMR battery. "Safer chemistry" because they were less likely to flame or explode, but they could still flame or explode. AW's 18650 2000 mah battery had a whopping 10 amps cdr. Their 1500 mAh 18650 battery had 16 amps cdr.

Shortly thereafter that, Samsung Sony and LG developed their "hybrid" batteries (INR chemistry). Not as "safe" as IMR, but "safer" than ICR. The main draw for these batteries were more amps cdr. Maybe up to 20 amps cdr. Today we have 30 amp cdr hybrid 18650 batteries.

Today's hybrid batteries are more powerful and a bit safer than the ICR batteries of 2010. Any abused or misused battery can vent or explode. The problem with mech mods is they generally don't have any protection circuitry (which can fail) and many don't have vent holes to allow a venting battery to release all that gas they produce. That's when you have a potential pipe bomb.

Rechargeable Batteries

 

[bombastinator]

I'm a little reluctant to further derail this thread, but I believe you history and chemistry lesson is a bit off.

When I began vaping in 2012, the best battery available for our mechanical mods was the trusty old Trustfire ICR battery. Probably had maybe 4 amps cdr, but they didn't rate batteries by continuous discharge rate at the time. I actually had one explode in my mech. Capacity (mAh) was the only spec that mattered then. (Nobody in their right mind today would use a Trustfire, Surefire, or Ultrafire battery for vaping)

Somewhere around this time period AW came out with the first IMR battery. "Safer chemistry" because they were less likely to flame or explode, but they could flame or explode. AW's 18650 2000 mah battery had a whopping 10 amps cdr. Their 1500 mAh 18650 battery had 16 amps cdr.

Shortly thereafter that, Samsung Sony and LG developed their "hybrid" batteries (INR chemistry). Not as safe as IMR, but safer than ICR. The main draw for these batteries were more amps cdr. Maybe up to 20 amps cdr. Today we have 30 amp cdr hybrid 18650 batteries.

Today's hybrid batteries are more powerful and a bit safer than the ICR batteries of 2010. Any abused or misused battery can vent or explode. The problem with mech mods is they generally don't have any protection circuitry (which can fail) and many don't have vent holes to allow a venting battery to release all that gas. That's when you have a potential pipe bomb.

Rechargeable Batteries

I see an increase in particulars and dates but no actual inaccuracy myself. Your memory of the period is likely better than mine.

 

[Baditude]

You remember maybe 10-15 years ago when everyone said you should only use “IMR” batteries in a mech even though they didn’t have a lot of power?

IMR batteries always had more power than ICR batteries of the time. Even today ICR batteries have only 4 - 6 amps power; the first AW 18650 IMR's on the market had 10 amps.

And when IMR batteries were first available the vape "experts" of the time said not to use them because they were "unprotected". Like that tiny protection circuit in ICR batteries was going to prevent a battery from exploding after a short circuit. Misinformation.

Those particular batteries didn’t carry a lot of joules and had a particularly stable chemistry so they melted rather than exploding under thermal runaway. The mechs of the era had safety features. The big one was a really strong airtight case. They would hold the power of a disintigating battery in by main force.

There is so much misinformation in this part where should I begin? Mechs at the time had safety features? Which features were those because I don't remember. "Strong airtight case" is pretty much the definition of a pipebomb.

There used to be a thread here in ECF's library written by Rolygate that showed how an AW IMR battery exploded in a regulated mod; its no longer available because the link is broken.

Found another one:
My Provari battery blew up while sitting on the coffee table...Is this common?

I don't mean to be ragging on you, bomb. But we're supposed to be educating folks here, not giving out misinformation.

 

[Upandcomingvgod]

Dreamer/Ardent. I think but not sure that Admiral/Culverin is another

Yup the dreamer and ardent together is a true hybrid but u can also use the dreamer on other stuff so dreamer on its on is a faux hybrid

 

[Upandcomingvgod]

Just curious. What specifically appeals to you for getting/using a direct to battery, faux hybrid mod?

I just like how they look and how they are designed

 

[tj99959]

Don't think you derailed a thing Bad. Bombastinator was blasting ALL mechanicals, not just faux hybrids. Like he was a leading authority on the subject, and many of us take offence to that train of thought.

The reality is that mechanical mods are the safest devices that there is. Provided that certain safety rules are followed... EVERY TIME.

Putting one in your pocket without locking out the switch is no different than pacing a battery in a pocket with a set of keys or spare change, and Both will lead to a chemical burn running down your leg!! (or an exploding mod) So a mechanical mod is just as safe as the person using it makes it. (OR ... just as unsafe as the person using it makes it)

So vape on my friends.... and enjoy!

 

[Upandcomingvgod]

Wow the Dreamer in brass!!!

The shop i go to has it in brass(I have a black ardent I wonder if they would look good togerher(they also have a white powder coated copper one idk which would look nicer

 

[Upandcomingvgod]

I should have reiterated I prefer true hybrids but faux hybrids are also ok

 

[tj99959]

I should have reiterated I prefer true hybrids but faux hybrids are also ok

Provided that you know what you can/can't use with a faux hybrid.

Please remember that there are many that might read this thread that don't know.

 

[HigherStateD]

Meh, it may only be faux, but I like mine.

 

[Upandcomingvgod]

Provided that you know what you can/can't use with a faux hybrid.

Please remember that there are many that might read this thread that don't know.

Yeah its sad how many people dont research first but yes I know what can and cant be used

 

[Upandcomingvgod]

Meh, it may only be faux, but I like mine.View attachment 832393

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Me likeeeeeeeeeeee lol

 

[Upandcomingvgod]

 

[tj99959]

Maybe this is easier to see.

caravela

• tj99959
• Aug 16, 2019
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[Upandcomingvgod]

Maybe this is easier to see.

caravela

• tj99959
• Aug 16, 2019
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How,do u post inmates in using an android phone I wanna show off my vcm reborn hybrid

 

[Topwater Elvis]

How,do u post inmates in using an android phone I wanna show off my vcm reborn hybrid

If you're an inmate probably best not to post any pictures...

 

[Rossum]

Bombastinator was blasting ALL mechanicals, not just faux hybrids.

If you really wanna trigger him, tell him you're vaping nic salts on your mech.

You remember maybe 10-15 years ago when everyone said you should only use “IMR” batteries in a mech

I know that time flies when we're all having fun, but the first mech is commonly accepted to be the "Screwdriver mod". IIRC, it was introduced in 2010 and used a 16340 cell.

Don't feel bad though, I get this in my own business too. Customers call and tell us they've been using our stuff for over 20 years. Uhm, no, you haven't.