Message to e-Liquid vendors: This is what we want from you!

[TBinAZ]

Kill... again!? Sombody pleeze get Tez some 14mg juice, quick.

Absolutely!!! I doubt many of us had thought of that, but it's a really solid point. When I stepped down from 18 to 12, I would have killed (not joking here, folks) for something like a 14mg. That jump was almost as bad as quitting smoking cold turkey -- nic fits, irritability, the whole bit. I've been afraid to step down to 6 for fear that I may kill again.

 

[Tezcatlipoca]

Kill... again!? Sombody pleeze get Tez some 14mg juice, quick.

To be fair, I wasn't convicted.

 

[KreeL]

I was a heavy smoker until I started vaping. Nothing less than 36mg does it for me. I am quite sure I'm not the only one. I can't tell you how many US eliquid vendors lost my business when they collaborated to make 24mg their 'ultra-high' which is ridiculous. All this does is make chain-vapers out of vapers that aren't being satisfied with their low nicotine e-juices. Thank you to the vendors that realize this and buck the craziness instilled by the 'we know what's best for you' vendors that are simply selling more low nicotine juice to vapers who wonder why they must vape so much to satisfy their addiction.

Kudus to my friends at MyFreedomSmokes, Totally Wicked, Electronic Ash, and others. They will ALWAYS get my ejuice business.

 

[LadyVaper]

This point is strictly selfish and I don't know how costly it is...but...for those of us that are PG sensitive...Very few vendors offer samplers that I can take advantage of because of the mixture. I have seen a few that offer a option. I end up having to purchase a bottle of each flavor. It's kind of a bummer because there's probably flavors I might have liked but can't afford to order a bottle of each. It kills me because most vendors will send you free samples which I can smell but not vape because too much PG. I did receive an order last week from a vendor that sent me all VG samples...it was GREAT!
So vendors ...if a customer orders all VG juice could you be nice and send all VG freebies...you might be surprised what happens if we can actually vape them, I don't CARE if their 0mg...I just want to TRY them...Thanks!

THIS IS A GREAT POINT!!! Had to bring it to the present.

 

[Mr.Mann]

I think for those that can't do pg, you all should tally up what you would've spent on a site and email the amount to the vendor.

Ex.

Dear no all vg option vendor, I had a cart filled with $72.00 worth of items until I realized that you all could not accommodate my all vg needs. Thanks, but no thanks.

$72.00

 

[bnrkwest]

What I want from vendors and now only use those that do, is use only USA PG/VG/nic, and offer a PG/VG ratio as well as nic % I can order my juice in. bnrk

 

[ogredog]

I've been in and out of this thread so forgive me if it's been posted already.

I don't want to sound ungrateful but...

IF YOU HAVE A CONTEST, PLEASE NOTIFY THE WINNERS by pm- instead of waiting for us to get back to you....sometimes we forget and it just seems odd you wouldn't....small thing

 

[Mr.Mann]

I've been in and out of this thread so forgive me if it's been posted already.

I don't want to sound ungrateful but...

IF YOU HAVE A CONTEST, PLEASE NOTIFY THE WINNERS by pm- instead of waiting for us to get back to you....sometimes we forget and it just seems odd you wouldn't....small thing

This is sort of along with a point that I have been wanting to make.

Please vendors, I know that sometimes you want to come off as nice and friendly, but if you are going to make promises, please keep your word. I have received many well-intentioned offers and promises that never materialized, and not because I went away. I know times get busy and there is a lot to tend to, but before you say you are going to do something, consider all that is on your plate before you add another helping.

 

[EleanorR]

PLEASE, PLEASE include/add a WISHLIST to your website!!!

(Yeah, HBV and HHV, I'mma lookin' at you! )

 

[Mr.Mann]

^^^THIS^^^

At my new favorite vendors site, you can add wishlists, name it/them and add notes. There is also a tag for "Add all items to cart." Especially for vendors with many juices, it is hard sometimes to keep track of all that you want to try. I have placed many orders only to realize too late that I meant to try a certain juice. Oh well, maybe next time?

 

[EleanorR]

^^^THIS^^^

At my new favorite vendors site, you can add wishlists, name it/them and add notes. There is also a tag for "Add all items to cart." Especially fror vendors with many juices, it is hard sometimes to keep track of all that you want to try. I have placed many orders only to realize too late that I meant to try a certain juice. Oh well, maybe next time?

I know, you should see the size of my "wishlist" on that site! 8-o

 

[1st Officer]

The more I read this thread the more convinced I am that my decision to move into the DIY demographic was the best choice I've made since quitting smoking analogs. Even when you buy the best of the best Nicotine, VG, PG and flavors this is a very cheap thing to produce in your home with full knowledge of what you are vaping. Sure I still buy some premixed juice and always will but now more out of curiosity as opposed to feeding the monkey. Mixing juice is about as hard as baking a cake so if you cant bake a cake do try it. When I do buy my juices now days I am a picky SOB and thanks to Mr. Mann I have now a whole new list of vendors that do things the right way. The same thing goes for the PVs and APVs, this is such a low tech device about all you have to do is source the parts and buy a few tools. I will be very surprised if a year from now half of the companies that are making big bucks off most folks laziness will be much more than a memory in an archived thread. Living in one of the largest tobacco producing states my next step is to extract my own nicotine. My point being, if you are in this business today and still want to be in this business tomorrow, sit up and take notice. The internet makes it possible for anyone to do any of this at home with complete control of their processes so all that's between most vendors success and failure is a thread that exposes the loser's for what they are. I look forward to that thread and thank you Mr. Mann for putting this out there and getting the ball rolling. From here on I shall just Lurk about this thread because for me it has all been said.

 

[Gomtuu]

The more I read this thread the more convinced I am that my decision to move into the DIY demographic was the best choice I've made since quitting smoking analogs. Even when you buy the best of the best Nicotine, VG, PG and flavors this is a very cheap thing to produce in your home with full knowledge of what you are vaping. Sure I still buy some premixed juice and always will but now more out of curiosity as opposed to feeding the monkey. Mixing juice is about as hard as baking a cake so if you cant bake a cake do try it. When I do buy my juices now days I am a picky SOB and thanks to Mr. Mann I have now a whole new list of vendors that do things the right way. The same thing goes for the PVs and APVs, this is such a low tech device about all you have to do is source the parts and buy a few tools. I will be very surprised if a year from now half of the companies that are making big bucks off most folks laziness will be much more than a memory in an archived thread. Living in one of the largest tobacco producing states my next step is to extract my own nicotine. My point being, if you are in this business today and still want to be in this business tomorrow, sit up and take notice. The internet makes it possible for anyone to do any of this at home with complete control of their processes so all that's between most vendors success and failure is a thread that exposes the loser's for what they are. I look forward to that thread and thank you Mr. Mann for putting this out there and getting the ball rolling. From here on I shall just Lurk about this thread because for me it has all been said.

Very well said, Officer.

I've often thought about making my own PVs. I already mix most of the juice I vape, and I have a couple of rebuildable atties. I figure making my own mods, at least so I have the knowledge and experience, is the next step. I don't want to be too paranoid, but I figure that if there's ever some kind of vaping prohibition, bootlegging will be something I should already know how to do.

Sorry, slightly off topic, but you inspired me to ramble a little.

 

[1st Officer]

Very well said, Officer.

I've often thought about making my own PVs. I already mix most of the juice I vape, and I have a couple of rebuildable atties. I figure making my own mods, at least so I have the knowledge and experience, is the next step. I don't want to be too paranoid, but I figure that if there's ever some kind of vaping prohibition, bootlegging will be something I should already know how to do.

Sorry, slightly off topic, but you inspired me to ramble a little.

Actually I believe your comments are right at the heart of the matter that Mr. Mann intended to put up here for all the shade tree mixing operations to take heed of. Given the newness of the industry and the simplicity of making ones own juices and hardware what a lot of suppliers or at least the short sighted ones don't see is once BIG Brother decides to step in and tax and regulate our wonderful little hobby more and more customers will look into DIY and discover that they have been duped into paying a markup of about 500% possibly more (rough order of magnitude) and if the suppliers don't get on board with meeting the needs of the customers they will start dropping like flies. I honestly believe this is the beginning of the end for a great deal of them that have up until now had a free reign in setting prices and playing bait and switch with their formulas without informing the once loyal customers. Some will survive no doubt but the ones that are doing little more than adding flavor to Dekang and other Pac Rim imported products and acting like they are working hard day and night with all of the science and technology of a MIT based operation will soon find themselves SOL and I don't mean "Safe on Landing". I think this will be interesting to watch. I also believe there are top notch suppliers that do get it and they will be all that's left when the smoke clears (pun Intended). The Internet is a double edged sword as it offers the back alley operations a chance to look professional by just putting up a snappy looking web site but as this young industry grows and grow it will the proverbial cat will be out of the bag as to of how very simple it all is to do this. Most in it for a quick buck suppliers will be fighting over those customers that are just to busy or lazy to mix three readily available ingredients together and flavor to taste. The FDA will go after the Nicotine everything else is pretty much safe and one can easily extract Nicotine from a number of easily grown plants. Just think, I have only spent a total of about 10 hours reading the DIY forum here and also reading other information a quick search of the Internet provided before I knew where to buy everything I needed to make some fine juices for pennies on the dollar and I know without a doubt what is in the things I vape. Imagine if I had a background in chemistry, but I digress and I also promised to shut up in my last post so I will step down from the soap box and go mix some more (made in the USA) juice. My apologies to Mr. Mann for hijacking his thread as I am way off base with regard to his OPs question but I get all worked up when I know that good people are being separated from their hard earned cash by suppliers with questionable motives and "labs" in tin sheds with dirt floors and lawn maintenance equipment...

 

[Gomtuu]

Actually I believe your comments are right at the heart of the matter that Mr. Mann intended to put up here for all the shade tree mixing operations to take heed of. Given the newness of the industry and the simplicity of making ones own juices and hardware what a lot of suppliers or at least the short sighted ones don't see is once BIG Brother decides to step in and tax and regulate our wonderful little hobby more and more customers will look into DIY and discover that they have been duped into paying a markup of about 500% possibly more (rough order of magnitude) and if the suppliers don't get on board with meeting the needs of the customers they will start dropping like flies. I honestly believe this is the beginning of the end for a great deal of them that have up until now had a free reign in setting prices and playing bait and switch with their formulas without informing the once loyal customers. Some will survive no doubt but the ones that are doing little more than adding flavor to Dekang and other Pac Rim imported products and acting like they are working hard day and night with all of the science and technology of a MIT based operation will soon find themselves SOL and I don't mean "Safe on Landing". I think this will be interesting to watch. I also believe there are top notch suppliers that do get it and they will be all that's left when the smoke clears (pun Intended). The Internet is a double edged sword as it offers the back alley operations a chance to look professional by just putting up a snappy looking web site but as this young industry grows and grow it will the proverbial cat will be out of the bag as to of how very simple it all is to do this. Most in it for a quick buck suppliers will be fighting over those customers that are just to busy or lazy to mix three readily available ingredients together and flavor to taste. The FDA will go after the Nicotine everything else is pretty much safe and one can easily extract Nicotine from a number of easily grown plants. Just think, I have only spent a total of about 10 hours reading the DIY forum here and also reading other information a quick search of the Internet provided before I knew where to buy everything I needed to make some fine juices for pennies on the dollar and I know without a doubt what is in the things I vape. Imagine if I had a background in chemistry, but I digress and I also promised to shut up in my last post so I will step down from the soap box and go mix some more (made in the USA) juice. My apologies to Mr. Mann for hijacking his thread as I am way off base with regard to his OPs question but I get all worked up when I know that good people are being separated from their hard earned cash by suppliers with questionable motives and "labs" in tin sheds with dirt floors and lawn maintenance equipment...

I can't think of anything to add to this, other than: Indeed.

 

[melissafara]

This is sort of along with a point that I have been wanting to make.

Please vendors, I know that sometimes you want to come off as nice and friendly, but if you are going to make promises, please keep your word. I have received many well-intentioned offers and promises that never materialized, and not because I went away. I know times get busy and there is a lot to tend to, but before you say you are going to do something, consider all that is on your plate before you add another helping.

Very, very great point!
Say what you're gonna do and do it! It's that simple.



You are only as good as your word!
Thanks Mr. Mann!

 

[melissafara]

Dunno if this has been mentioned and I see at least one vendor already doing this....pre steeped liquids.
Since when are first impressions not everything? I've had 3 different vendors give me the same recommendation in the last week. Maybe you should let it steep. How many customers do you lose because they never went back and tried it again? I could have easily done that with my now favorite juice. So if you know the juice is going to be better after a week or so then offer it that way right out of the vapemail. I would happily pay a bit more for a "ready to vape" liquid. I understand you don't want gallons left over at the end of the month but surely you can get a fairly good grasp of how much you can sell. The notion of mixing to order is great, but for a juice that needs to steep to realize its full potential would make a better first impression if it was at its best straight from the mailman. Or at least give me the option to get it that way.

I agree and disagree with this. Only for the fact that some vendors are smaller than others and they only make their juice when you order it.
Now that is good and bad at the same time.

Yes, I hate steeping! If it’s in the mail box and makes it into my house, I want to taste it NOW. But, on the other side of that, it’s is also nice, for me, to know that my juice was, in a sense, custom made to order, not sitting on a shelf for who knows how long waiting to be bought.

I would ‘assume’ that is the difference between mass market and small business.

 

[paddymx]

I searched this thread and didn't find anything sooo,
Standards and acceptance!

Being new(3 months) what I've found is that "this thing of ours" is still in the "old west" stages. Almost every piece of hardware I have purchased has required "tweaking" to make it work as advertised". The couple of times I have had an opportunity to introduce someone to vaping I find myself asking myself, is this person willing to fiddle with everything to get it to work! In most cases, NO. This thing is very time consuming and I'm not sure others can or will be able to devote the time. Drip into carto's, fill with syringes, turn upside down, pry up center post, face east, et.al.

As has been stated before, some present them selfs as testing and testing, working with suppliers, testing again! But when the product hits the net we are then flooded with issues and complaints. If this thing is ever going to be main stream, vendors need to get their act together. We are(me) tired of being your test beads! Its time for you guys to get together and police this industry. If you don't the government will. If there are not enough "users" it is doomed to overbearing regulation. Until there is an expectation that I/we can introduce something to "granny" and have it "work", "this thing of ours" will always be a hobby rather than an activity.

Please band together and demand the Pac Rim suppliers commit to quality! Establish standards for manufacturing. Stop blaming QC for everything. When was the last time you worked for $ .10 a day. Can't blame the workers, its the "bottom line" mentality of suppliers management. Remember, if we don't buy it. they can't sell it.

EDIT: Sorry if this was off topic. Just re-read title "e-juice..."

EDIT 2: just to be on topic:

Do you think we are blind? How can you charge $2 for a syringe when I can get 100 for $18. How can you charge $8+ for 120ml of PG/VG when I can get a gallon for $20. Mark up much?

 

[bjannr]

I lI I have to agree about keeping promises. There is one supplier that I will no longer purchase from due to missed deadlines and promising things that are not to be. This gets to be an incnvenience. If a vendor/supplier gets busier than expected, limit the amount of new orders until they can catch up.
Also, do not tell me juice will be replaced with my next order. If a bottle broke during shipping, replace it now. I may not order again.

 

[Jfresh859]

Choice of shipping!
I would love to have a choice with ups/USPS/FedEx.
I'd pay more for ups Shipping, but I also know it get there quick