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If it were even possible to people with their fingers in their ears, it would take longer to prove than the ban itself. Even if renewed for 6 months.
So I watched video of the governor commenting on her ban. She's obviously psyched up and expecting a lot of national publicity. I also watched some local TV news reporting. I'm a life long Michigan resident. My impression is the "mainstream" media and the Democratic governor are punishing Michigan deplorables for putting Trump in the Whitehouse. If my fellow deplorables see this as I do there could be some fierce blowback.
Exactly. Who gets to declare an official emergency that activates the powers? Normally it’s not the same entity that has the powers.
That's a bit of a stretch, IMO. You're entitled to your opinion, of course, I just can't stretch it that far. I mean, it's not like only conservatives vape, or something.
It's more likely naive liberal do-gooder government-as-mother-hen stuff. "Make a big difference" approach. "Get something done" while stalemated in legislature.
Given all the lame-duck B.S. that the conservatives passed before she got in, and them not working with her on a roads mandate, she's fit to be tied. This "stuff", even if it were a real problem, should be 10th on her list, but the first 9 are blocked.
It can vary from State to State.
Authority to Declare Emergencies
When conditions warrant, all states have mechanisms that allow government officials to declare a state of emergency, thereby activating authorities and resources that are unavailable in non-emergencies (see below). All states give the governor the authority to declare one or more types of emergencies (see below). Increasingly states have granted state health officers/agency directors the authority to declare public health emergencies. Other state officials such as the emergency management agency director, homeland security director, or agricultural director may have similar powers. Local governments may have authority to declare an emergency and activate emergency authorities within their jurisdiction.
Emergency Declarations and Authorities Fact Sheet | State Public Health | ASTHO
Never heard of either person.
Lee Chatfield - Wikipedia Speaker of the Mich. house of rep.
The meekhof guy apparently has no current office at all. He was kicked out in January so his opinion doesn’t matter that much.
Arlan Meekhof - Wikipedia
So who is the Michigan Senate Majority Leader?
Mike Shirkey - Wikipedia Possibly. Not sure. State legislatures don’t always work the same as federal. I don’t even know exactly how it works in the state I live in.
Shirkey? Seriously?
The (arguably) Most Powerful Politician in the Entire State of Michigan is named "Shirkey".
BTW - I knew this. I just couldn't Resist someone feeding me the "Shirkey" straight Line. It's what Every Amateur Comedian dreams of. LOL
The (arguably) Most Powerful Politician in the Entire State of Michigan is named "Shirkey".
BTW - I knew this. I just couldn't Resist someone feeding me the "Shirkey" straight Line. It's what Every Amateur Comedian dreams of. LOL
https://www.npr.org/sections/health...lung-problems-among-people-who-vaped-cannabis
Has the "c" word in the title. From NPR. Talks about vit-E being in most samples tested. For some very stupid reason, some very stupid street vendors are cutting with up to 50% vit-E oil.
The good ole FDA, however, is "not convinced" since "not all" samples they had contained vit E. Like one or three probably got submitted wrongly by a friend/spouse or something. Who knows? They're also testing for other contaminants like pesticides. Could be a compound problem, I guess. I can't entirely fault them for being cautious, but keeping the general-vaping door wide open is a mistake, and I don't trust them and vaping-related stuff anyway. Too much BT, pharma and other influence.
But what I'm NOT hearing is something along the lines of "I only vape store bought e-juice and I'm having this same problem".
Has the "c" word in the title. From NPR. Talks about vit-E being in most samples tested. For some very stupid reason, some very stupid street vendors are cutting with up to 50% vit-E oil.
The good ole FDA, however, is "not convinced" since "not all" samples they had contained vit E. Like one or three probably got submitted wrongly by a friend/spouse or something. Who knows? They're also testing for other contaminants like pesticides. Could be a compound problem, I guess. I can't entirely fault them for being cautious, but keeping the general-vaping door wide open is a mistake, and I don't trust them and vaping-related stuff anyway. Too much BT, pharma and other influence.
But what I'm NOT hearing is something along the lines of "I only vape store bought e-juice and I'm having this same problem".
I live in Michigan, I've met plenty of vapers in the past 5 years. I would make a $20 bet that 90% of them were Trump voters. My read of the governor is this is a political stunt. She figures she can't lose with her supporters even if the courts overturn. A court challenge seems likely if there are a few prosperous vape shops in Michigan who can afford the legal expense. It's do or die for them.
WOODTV interviewed an attorney that was predicting one or 50 lawsuits. 
IDK the number, but he sure gave the impression it would meet challenges.
IDK the number, but he sure gave the impression it would meet challenges.
The thing I noticed in the 2016 election is that the rural areas were red and the city areas were blue. It may be location dependent. The biggest city in mich. is Detroit, and Windsor is basically a twin city to Detroit except it’s in Canada. All you have to do is cross a bridge. I can see something like this law affecting Detroit residents nearly not at all. Windsor and Detroit have large sections of their economies catering to residents of the other city who wish to get out of various statuates in their nation. I remember years ago clubbing in Detroit until a certain hour at which point we all piled into a car and drove across the bridge where the bars were still open.
I want lawsuits. I also want to keep up on the ins and outs of Michigan legislature, but it's not going to happen. Brainfried. I spent most of today thinking it was like, Wed not Thursday. This worked out nice for me (at the end.)
I will say, your tasteful woman gets the lovely SILK long underwear, and lounges in that, looking tasteful. It's warmer anyway.
Anna
I will say, your tasteful woman gets the lovely SILK long underwear, and lounges in that, looking tasteful. It's warmer anyway.
Anna
Didn't Canada have some stupid-vape-rules too? Like no nic or some dang thing? I don't remember.
I got it! They can get flavored no-nic juice from C and then mix it with unflavored nic base here in MI. Problem solved.
EDIT:
Looks like they fixed it.
I got it! They can get flavored no-nic juice from C and then mix it with unflavored nic base here in MI. Problem solved.
EDIT:
Looks like they fixed it.
Vaping product regulation - Canada.ca
I don't know many Trump supporters, but I just talked to one. The guy who has fixed my vehicles for 15 years. He was my neighbor at one time and we're friends. He vapes sometimes, mainly because he doesn't want to handle a smoke with oily hands at work. I took a car up to his shop this afternoon.
I started a conversation about the FDA deadline and he went on a rant about the vape sickness outbreak. He had picked up from somewhere that the real problem is young vapers blowing huge clouds. Basically they take so much nic and other chemicals into their lungs that it overwhelms the lungs ability to clear it out and they fill up with fluid. I mentioned the black market cart angle but he wasn't having it so I gave up. I know how stubborn he is.
I haven't heard that explanation before but I'm sure it's going around. People believe all sorts of stuff and their opinion about political events is colored by their beliefs. A lot of folks believe that vaping is worse than smoking, so they are going to see the action in Michigan as heroic.
Or drive through a tunnel, but I live in Detroit and since 911 it ain't nearly that simple or easy friend.
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