Mixing by Weight - Are You ??

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doing it by weight is just not something i can see people doing long term with small batches... if you do it, Great, its a fine method. just know that its not any more accurate than the rest of your measuring devices or the devices and methods of your suppliers.

there are worse methods for sure...

i could see how a scale would increase speed for small batches, but it would only matter if your trying to knock out hundreds of 10 or 15 mL batches per day.

Dropper bottles and mixing right into the final bottle means less cleanup. Major win right there, even if it's no more accurate.

I ordered a scale, if this works out as I think, I will get some eyedropper caps for my favorite flavors. Or maybe a box of disposable transfer pipettes.
 

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doing it by weight is just not something i can see people doing long term with small batches...
Why not? How about not having to do any washing up after mixing? You just dump the ingredients in your bottle and you're done. The only other method giving you this advantage is the very inaccurate "Counting Drops" method.
I can mix a 30ml bottle in about a minute and I'm done. It's not just time, it's convenience.
 

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I am convinced that it is that easy. I ordered my scale yesterday and waiting on it to arrive before I mix my next batch.

I am not looking forward to my initial setup and getting weight measurements of my VG based nicotine, my VG and my flavors but I figure after the setup my mixing will take me a minute or so with no cleanup required.
 

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That would be great. Now that I am thinking in terms of weight I have an idea of a change to the calculator and would welcome your thoughts.
Currently you enter your weight based on 1 ml of liquid. I was thinking I would want to weigh more than 1 ml, maybe 5 ml, and then divide by 5. I figured that might be more accurate. Should I change the calculator to allow you to specify the volume that the weight applies to?
 

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I am convinced that it is that easy. I ordered my scale yesterday and waiting on it to arrive before I mix my next batch.

I am not looking forward to my initial setup and getting weight measurements of my VG based nicotine, my VG and my flavors but I figure after the setup my mixing will take me a minute or so with no cleanup required.

I think you will find that it is Easier than you think.

Also, use you Tare/Zero Button.

Put your bottle on, zero out the Scale.
Add your 1st Ingredient, zero out the Scale.
Add your 2nd Ingredient, zero out the Scale.
Add your 3rd Ingredient, zero out the Scale.
etc.

This is easier than trying to do a "Ladder" where you keep adding up the weights as you go.
 

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Currently you enter your weight based on 1 ml of liquid. I was thinking I would want to weigh more than 1 ml, maybe 5 ml, and then divide by 5. I figured that might be more accurate. Should I change the calculator to allow you to specify the volume that the weight applies to?
Thanks for the suggestion but that's really not necessary. You don't have to calculate anything yourself when using your calculator. You just set the weight for each ingredient once and then you're finished.
 

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I think you will find that it is Easier than you think.

Also, use you Tare/Zero Button.

Put your bottle on, zero out the Scale.
Add your 1st Ingredient, zero out the Scale.
Add your 2nd Ingredient, zero out the Scale.
Add your 3rd Ingredient, zero out the Scale.
etc.

This is easier than trying to do a "Ladder" where you keep adding up the weights as you go.


oh hell yeah, Thats it I'm joining the by weight club too :toast:
 

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I have made a few juices using the scale and now I am wondering why I waited so long to switch. No clean up and it is so easy. I also believe the measuring is more accurate using the digital readout on the scale vs. using my eyes to see if my measurement has made it to the line on the syringe.

This morning I discovered another convenience in having the scale. I had made up new juice and used it for a couple of days while taste testing. I wanted to increase the percentage of one of the ingredients but I needed to know how much juice I had left in the bottle so that I could determine how much more to add. Simple; I weighed the bottle of juice, subtracted the weight of the bottle and divided by the grams/ml of juice to determine the total ml's left in the bottle. No need to empty the bottle into a cylinder to determine how much was left.

You can't beat it. Stop buying syringes, cylinders, pipettes and other measuring equipment and buy 1 scale to meet all of your measuring needs.

For those of you that use my calculator, I made a change that I will post in the near future. I now show you the total weight of the recipe along with the grams/ml of the resulting recipe.
 

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I switched to weighing my DIY about a month ago. One of the best things I've done. It makes EVERYTHING soo much easier. I bought a little pocked scale on Amazon and never looked back. I only use 1 syringe to draw my Nic out. Everything else I keep in dropper bottles. For the Nic I use (50/50 100mg) I determined weighs 1.16 grams per ml. PG weighs 1.036 grams, and VG weighs 1.261 grams. Almost all of my flavorings weigh 1.06 grams per ml.
 

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I most definitely disagree with the statement that weighing only works for large batches. It's quite the opposite-especially with the tools available to most DIY'ers.

My eyedroppers average 20 drops/ml. That is an average only. It is not even a mean, the number most frequently hit. In other words, I know my average drop will be .05 ml, not more or less, could be a lot more or less.

An eye dropper just does not have the resolution, and each drop could be off by a significant % (20, 50, 70% ?), but if I am mixing up a 100 ml that calls for 3% of something, I know I need 60 drops. My average drop size should work fine to give me what I need.

If I am mixing much smaller amounts, my error could be significant. Typically, when experimenting with new recipes, I try to keep my sample around 3 ml. and using the same 3% that the recipe calls for, I now need .09 ml, but my eyedropper can only give me an average of 2 drops at .1 ml with a lot of potential error in drop size. In other words, I do not have the resolution I need to accurately duplicate the recipe. Not quite true, since I have a base of 2.91 ml and add .09 ml to make up my volume; but let's not complicate issues.

Using volumetric measurement methods, I have only two options: micro pipettes or small syringes with a scale that is small enough to get a reasonable measurement-say down to .1 ml or better. Micro pipettes are expensive and require some skill to use. Syringes are messy and wasteful since you need to hold them upside down and vertically to drive out the air and excess liquid.

As pointed out in another thread, you can get a scale with .01 gm resolution at a very reasonable price. It's easier to tweak recipes since I have yet to follow anyone's recipe exactly. Sometimes that's due to my taste; most of the time it's due to not having the flavorings in my stock or the flavor from another supplier.
 

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An eye dropper just does not have the resolution, and each drop could be off by a significant % (20, 50, 70% ?), but if I am mixing up a 100 ml that calls for 3% of something, I know I need 60 drops. My average drop size should work fine to give me what I need.

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This is Unusual to hear.

Because I have found that for the Same Eyedropper using the Same Liquid, the Drop Weight is Remarkably Precise.
 

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I'll use weight before mixing again. Have always used graduation cylinders to measure the appropriate amounts. Step one always involved cutting the 100 mg Nicotine down with PG for freezer storage. As E-Juice is needed, the Nicotine in storage is further cut with PG, VG, and flavoring.
The biggest complaint in using volume measurement is the VG doesn't flow well from the interior of the glass.
I currently use my own Excel program with E-Juice production.
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I've bought this balance, and think it will be perfect for this approach. But, I'm having difficulties downloading the weigh calculator. Basically, I can't figure out how to properly download it. Thanks.

best regards, larry mac


My Weigh iBalance 201 (i201)


BTW, I was very pleased with the price, order fulfillment, packaging, and speed of delivery of this product from Old Will Knot Scales. Highly recommend them! The display is somewhat different than depicted however. Mine has a blue display with more segmented numerals. Probably a newer, updated model. It's very nice. The main thing I wanted was the option to disable the "auto off" function, so I can take as long as I want and not have it turn off on me. Not all small, inexpensive balances allows you to do that. Plus, mine came with an AC adapter, a vibration mat, a 200 gram calibration weight, adjustable feet with level bubble, and a windscreen with sliding doors and top.


p.s. also bought these weights:


http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003STEJAC/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
 
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Cool to get out of glassware. I'd mix and use some of the PG that was needed to wash the VG from the cylinder. A cost savings mixing by weight.

Let's see... I waste near $30 on a 500g .001 scale, then a calibration weight (F1 so tempting yet M1 cheaper and better than the standard M2).... Seems the only tiime I show a savings on anything vape related over cigerattes is the JUICE!

Now what to do with the labglass? I hate storage of anything withthe exception on nico. later
 
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I think I may give this a try.

I already have a gram scale that measures to 100g and has increments of .01 from when I took inorganic chemistry a few years ago. I also have about 500 1.5ml micro-centrifuge tubes (with a storage rack) from when I used to collect pollen for horticultural experiments.

It seems that weighing would be easier to make use of the equipment I have readily available to me.

It is certainly better than leaving them in the closet to collect dust!
 
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