Mixing By Weight: Basics 101

[JCinFLA]

I've just spent some time reading the last 3-4 pages of this thread. I pop in here every now and then, figuring I might learn some new things, see what people are asking questions about, find out new info on measuring by weight, etc.

This time, IMO it really is like some sort of win/loss situation, or a sales pitch, as far as some are concerned...to get someone to switch to measuring by weight. Even when they've asked intelligent questions, read many responses, and then posted they've decided to continue measuring by volume...from some, it's clear they're still trying to convince the person to do otherwise. Why not just support their personal choice, since everyone should choose a method they're comfortable with? They'll still be able to make great eliquids, no matter which method they choose to use.

 

[mhertz]

If done like you state, then of course that's not appropriate behaviour, i'd believe most of us can agree upon. However, I also feel that if someone e.g. states, just for as an example of the other camp, that they have begun using scales because there's so much cleanup of syringes with volume, and then some state that they overcome this issue by e.g. using a couple of graduated cylinders instead, so there's just afterwards two cylinders to flush with water a couple of times, then that isn't to me to say that weight is wrong and volume is better, but just offering solutions to possible problems brought up, irregardless of whatever the user decides to use in the end, which of course is fine. Again, as I don't know specifically which examples you're referring to, then if done like you stated above, then that isn't okay of course Also, sorry for using the camp wording above, as I really don't like this seperation between us here... Volume and weights is both fine and just different means to the same end. Just like if I like inawera flavoring the best and you maybe likes TFA or whatever, then who cares, as it's just small personal preference differations in the same nice DIY comunity we're all apart of here

Lastly, I do now you're right in that there are cases of what you refer to, as I e.g. also have been guilty of said bad behaviour in the past, probably even in this very thread, so I apologize for that.

 

[Capt.shay]

I've just spent some time reading the last 3-4 pages of this thread. I pop in here every now and then, figuring I might learn some new things, see what people are asking questions about, find out new info on measuring by weight, etc.

This time, IMO it really is like some sort of win/loss situation, or a sales pitch, as far as some are concerned...to get someone to switch to measuring by weight. Even when they've asked intelligent questions, read many responses, and then posted they've decided to continue measuring by volume...from some, it's clear they're still trying to convince the person to do otherwise. Why not just support their personal choice, since everyone should choose a method they're comfortable with? They'll still be able to make great eliquids, no matter which method they choose to use.

Because that's the way we roll here. We are in fact trying to convince people a of new way and a way we feel is more efficient. This is a thread dedicated to that very thing. If this displeases you, there are many many other threads here for you to participate in. Heck, start your own thread on the way you do it. As you yourself have said many times, to each his own, this is our way. It is getting to the point where you are just trolling on this subject coming on to this thread dedicated to teaching the method and once again preaching your opinion.

 

[LynnNC]

Thanks to all the info that I've read in this thread, I've ordered a scale(will be here next week) to start mixing by weight. I procrastinate on mixing because of all the "mess" that's involved in mixing. I don't have a dedicated mixing area(I use my kitchen) so I have to pull out all the stuff, mix, wash and dry what I use, then put it all away. I'm looking forward to eliminating all the mess associated with mixing the other way. Thanks everyone for all of your input!
Now...back to reading! I think I'm up to page 18 now.

 

[zoiDman]

I've just spent some time reading the last 3-4 pages of this thread. I pop in here every now and then, figuring I might learn some new things, see what people are asking questions about, find out new info on measuring by weight, etc.

This time, IMO it really is like some sort of win/loss situation, or a sales pitch, as far as some are concerned...to get someone to switch to measuring by weight. Even when they've asked intelligent questions, read many responses, and then posted they've decided to continue measuring by volume...from some, it's clear they're still trying to convince the person to do otherwise. Why not just support their personal choice, since everyone should choose a method they're comfortable with? They'll still be able to make great eliquids, no matter which method they choose to use.

Just Me.

But when it comes to opinions on Measuring by Volume or by Weight, it seems like the Pot is just as Black as the Kettle.

This Thread was Created with the Purpose of Explaining how to do DIY using a Scale. And there is a Ton of Great Information it. Also lots of Good Debate on Pro's and Con's of both Measuring by Volume or by Weight.

I'm not sure why there wouldn't be People Promoting why they think Measuring by Weight is "Better" than Measuring by Volume? Because for them, it Is.

But by the Same Token, I'm not sure why there wouldn't be People Promoting why they think Measuring by Volume is "Better" than Measuring by Weight? Because for them, it is.

For me, it all kinda get's down to this...

I heard that.

How someone else Measures/Mixes their e-Liquids doesn't make Mine taste any Better. Or any worse.

So People making Points about Why one way is Better than Another, or why one is More/Less Accurate (on levels of Accuracy that probably Don't Matter) really Don't Resonate much with me.

 

[jpasint]

A day off from work means some quality time in the laboratory........
The way of the weigh.

Finally mixed up nine recipes that I have been meaning to get to for a little while.
Most of these recipes were pretty small 15ml and 30ml testers so the bottletop dispensers work well and reduce time spent.

PS.
You won't be able to call me anything that my loving wife has not already called me.

 

[oplholik]

I'd guess you do a lot of mixing. LOL! Great looking set up tho.

 

[mhertz]

That's some crazy nice looking mixing lab/equipment! Respect!

 

[zoiDman]

A day off from work means some quality time in the laboratory........
The way of the weigh.

Finally mixed up nine recipes that I have been meaning to get to for a little while.
Most of these recipes were pretty small 15ml and 30ml testers so the bottletop dispensers work well and reduce time spent.

PS.
You won't be able to call me anything that my loving wife has not already called me.

All I have to Say is if You do not wear a White Lab Coat while Mixing, it is a Crime against Humanity.

LOL

Great Mixing Station.

 

[corn flakes]

A day off from work means some quality time in the laboratory........
The way of the weigh.

Finally mixed up nine recipes that I have been meaning to get to for a little while.
Most of these recipes were pretty small 15ml and 30ml testers so the bottletop dispensers work well and reduce time spent.

PS.
You won't be able to call me anything that my loving wife has not already called me.

After looking at that setup i think i will just give up.

 

[Burnie]

I mix both ways, weight and volume, because some things I mix in a graduated tube are easier to just go by the lines, not many ingredients on a 60ml batch, others I use the scale and it works better because of the small amount of a lot of different things. I would not want to use just one method, as both have their + and -. JMHO

 

[tokarev]

Impressive mixing station...to quote a movie line "I got to get me one of these!"

 

[Plettschner]

OK, I'm in... beyond 500g capacity and accurate to 100th of a gram (0.01g), what scale should I get?

 

[Burnie]

OK, I'm in... beyond 500g capacity and accurate to 100th of a gram (0.01g), what scale should I get?

I'm sure others will chime in, but this is what I purchased, seems to work OK (but you need a 500g weight to check calibration).
$14.44 XY-8006 2.2" LCD Precision Digital Jewelry Scale (600g/0.01g) - white backlight / 6 switchable units / 3 minutes auto power off / press "PCS" for count function at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

So I also bought this to calibrate and check it.
8 pcs calibration weight set 10g 20g 50g 100g 200g 500g -- 1000g total weight | eBay

It is on the money with all the weights in the set.

 

[Plettschner]

I'm sure others will chime in, but this is what I purchased, seems to work OK (but you need a 500g weight to check calibration).
$14.44 XY-8006 2.2" LCD Precision Digital Jewelry Scale (600g/0.01g) - white backlight / 6 switchable units / 3 minutes auto power off / press "PCS" for count function at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

So I also bought this to calibrate and check it.
8 pcs calibration weight set 10g 20g 50g 100g 200g 500g -- 1000g total weight | eBay

It is on the money with all the weights in the set.

How is the response time (do you need to pause between drops)?


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[Burnie]

How is the response time (do you need to pause between drops)?


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I don't pause, but I have nothing to compare to as this is the only scale I have ever used. Hopefully others will chime in with what they use to give you some choices.

 

[Capt.shay]

I'm using this one these days. Works just fine. All scales have a little lag. You kind of learn when to slow down

OK, I'm in... beyond 500g capacity and accurate to 100th of a gram (0.01g), what scale should I get?

This is the scale I used in the OP. It is still going strong and I have no complaints.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005UGBG20?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

I don't pause, but I have nothing to compare to as this is the only scale I have ever used. Hopefully others will chime in with what they use to give you some choices.

So this scale is giving instant results? I have the scale that capt has on his first page.


And it takes a few seconds to catch up to measure the drops.

 

[Capt.shay]

I think all scales have some lag to them. I remember even the really expensive ones I worked with in college lagged a little.

 

[Plettschner]

I was looking at the one on ebay, that looks suspiciously similar to the $80 Jennings TB500. However, reading some of the reviews, I saw this:

Also after pushing tare it can miss the first .02-.04 so after pressing tare I put a drop or 2 of water on a paper towel that I put on the scale and then add that weight to my desired weight.

And this:

In order to read individual drops one must add a nickel to the scale and then subtract.

Seems like that would be a deal breaker.

ETA: Links

Ebay scale from OP: 500g x 0.01g High Precision Digital Scale SF-400D2 Counting wit USB Wall Adapter | eBay

Jennings TB500: Jennings TB500