So why is mixing by weight better than mixing by volume?

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    It looks like if they have a density from the manufacturer they do program it in elr. If not, they assume 1.
    Many 'big name' mixers from long ago decided to go with 1. Just looking at your screen capture there are 3 with SG, and 7 that don't have the SG. There is an option within your preferences where you can choose 1:1 or SG if it's there.
     

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    If I don't use the dishwasher to clean my glass, the smells of the last flavor to go in are really hard to get out. I've tried alcohol, dish soap, etc... I'm not a flavor hound I don't think... anyway, being a very lazy mixer, the dishwasher does the trick.
    I don't have that problem. I mix anything over 15ml in glass beakers and only hot water rinse the beakers, no smell/taste afterward. Admittedly coffee flavors need a couple more swishing than others flavors.
     

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    If I don't use the dishwasher to clean my glass, the smells of the last flavor to go in are really hard to get out. I've tried alcohol, dish soap, etc... I'm not a flavor hound I don't think... anyway, being a very lazy mixer, the dishwasher does the trick.

    Strange. You must have ultra sensitive tasting and smelling. I never had that problem with glass. However, metal is a different story - it does seem to retain smell and seems hard to remove certain ones. But I only vape 2 flavors now. One (peppermint) seems to wash out of everything and the other (RY4) is only used in certain dedicated tanks.
     

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    I don't do NETs. Never wanted too. I have tasted enough tobacco in my life, to know I'd rather smoke than do extracts. IDK. To each their own. I can see why it might be harder to get some flavors out than others,, probably. I don't do lemon, cinnamon, tobacco etc.

    IDK I might love NETs but I could see them being bad for me, too. Also, no desire to buy more flavors at the moment.

    Dawn is the best degreaser out there (plain dawn) as far as I'm concerned. Iuse it for most things first before I use other stuff. I'd be surprsied if it wouldn't come out... maybe not the O rings?

    Anna
     

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    Hey, this is vaping. Our mantra? If it works for you, it's good.

    I use my $15 scale. For me, easier to follow the amounts from the elc. Also, I am mixing smaller batches, usually 30ml or 60ml. If I was mixing 125ml, I'd see where volume could be better. But for me, getting very small amounts of very strong flavors accurately is easier by weight.

    Regardless of weight or volume, we all are assured of 3 things.
    1. We get the ratios and mixes to our preferences, not some manufacturer.
    2. We aren't hampered by laws and bans on sales and shipping (as we suffer here in New York State)
    3. We save mondo cash, enough to cover all the amzon stuff the wife is ordering....

    :)
     

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    And Taring to zero for a forgetful person can make it so like well with weight I always worry about have I forgotten to add something or added it twice. There are probably remedies for that like setting the flavor aside.
    I wouldn't call myself a forgetful person yet on few occasions I got distracted and I wasn't sure whether already added certain ingredients or no. That's one of the downsides. My remedy: I put all the bottles with ingredients for one recipe on one pile, and add one by one. After the ingredient is added I put the bottle aside creating the second pile. Bulletproof method, no mistakes even when I mix late at night before bedtime, tired and sleepy.
     

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    I must say I am almost ENTIRELY unclear why folks complain about washing up.
    I'm either very busy with work, with little time and energy to do extra washing up, or if I'm not busy, I'm simply lazy. I'd rather do something with minimum energy expenditure :D
     

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    Strange. You must have ultra sensitive tasting and smelling. I never had that problem with glass. However, metal is a different story - it does seem to retain smell and seems hard to remove certain ones. But I only vape 2 flavors now. One (peppermint) seems to wash out of everything and the other (RY4) is only used in certain dedicated tanks.
    I have a jar with rubbing alcohol, where I dump the tank for a few minutes before I rinse it with soap&water. Seems to work quite well ith strong flavors like tobacco, coffe, chocolate etc.
    I've read somewhere that rubbing alcohol is very corrosive to rubber and silicone (o-rings, seals etc) if exposed for a long time, so I only do the rubbing alcohol dip for a short time. No problems so far, time will tell I guess
     

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    Awesome comments! Thanks Everyone! It's very informative to hear what others are doing.

    If I'm making a 30 ml batch, I'll use a 10 ml cylinder, put in 7 ml of flavorings, and bring it up to 9 ml with nic base. This gets poured into the 30 ml bottle, which then gets filled to the top with VG. This gets me to 6 mg/ml and 75% VG. Same idea for a 120 ml batch. Use a 50 ml cylinder, add 28 ml of flavoring, add nic to bring it up to 36 ml, and pour into the 120 ml bottle. Either way, there's only one thing to wash.

    The biggest pain in mixing by volume is holding the cylinder over the bottle while the last drops drip out. I have enough patience to wait until there's about 5 seconds between the drops. That's why I put the thicker nic on top of the thinner flavoring - it doesn't get stuck in the bottom of the cylinder.

    I did all my stocking up with nic base that is 50/50 VG/PG. With 20-20 hindsight I might have been better off with 100% VG nic base. The only way to get much higher than 75% VG is to cut down on the flavoring. Not a big deal. It's fine like this.
     

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    I wouldn't call myself a forgetful person yet on few occasions I got distracted and I wasn't sure whether already added certain ingredients or no. That's one of the downsides. My remedy: I put all the bottles with ingredients for one recipe on one pile, and add one by one. After the ingredient is added I put the bottle aside creating the second pile. Bulletproof method, no mistakes even when I mix late at night before bedtime, tired and sleepy.
    That's exactly what I do, and it works fine, because I often mix at cocktail hour, and I might be too "focused" on the cocktail and less on the mixing. LOL.
     

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    Rubbing alcohol has a very strong smell though so it takes a fair bit of rinsing afterwards. But once it's done the atty is like brand new.
    I don't doubt it works. But, my recollection is that rubbing alcohol is not exactly friendly to us except in rubbing. It has toxic chemicals added so we don't drink it. Don't drink it!
    So, I'd be concerned about any residuals remaining after the alcohol has evaporated.
    I think vodka works very well and is harmless.
     

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    I don't doubt it works. But, my recollection is that rubbing alcohol is not exactly friendly to us except in rubbing. It has toxic chemicals added so we don't drink it. Don't drink it!
    So, I'd be concerned about any residuals remaining after the alcohol has evaporated.
    I think vodka works very well and is harmless.
    That's why I said I rinse it well afterwards, I don't even let it evaporate. Could you please specify what toxic chemicals are added to rubbing alcohol? The one I use is 99.9% pure
     

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    That's why I said I rinse it well afterwards, I don't even let it evaporate. Could you please specify what toxic chemicals are added to rubbing alcohol? The one I use is 99.9% pure

    US legislation[edit]

    Main article: Denatured alcohol

    To protect alcohol tax revenue in the United States all preparations classified as Rubbing Alcohols (defined as those containing ethanol) must have poisonous additives to limit human consumption in accordance with the requirements of the US Treasury Department, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, using Formula 23-H (8 parts by volume of acetone, 1.5 parts by volume of methyl isobutyl ketone, and 100 parts by volume of ethyl alcohol). It contains 87.5–91% by volume of absolute ethyl alcohol. The rest consists of water and the denaturants, with or without color additives, and perfume oils. Rubbing alcohol contains in each 100 ml more than 355 mg of sucrose octaacetate or more than 1.40 mg of denatonium benzoate. The preparation may be colored with one or more color additives. A suitable stabilizer may also be added.[12]

    Rubbing alcohol - Wikipedia
     

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    Ah I see now where the controversy is. We are talking about different products. The stuff I was referring to as "rubbing alcohol" in my case is Isopropyl alcohol 99.9% pure. I can't find the one i purchased online but it's very similar to this one:
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Isopropyl-...t=&hvlocphy=9046889&hvtargid=pla-924648583144

    Yeah... Not sure about what they do in the UK.

    But in the USA, they put Lots of Nasty Stuff in it Isn't Safe to drink. Else you would need to be "Of Age" to buy it. And it would have to have a Big Fat Liquor Tax Stamp on it.
     

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    US legislation[edit]

    Main article: Denatured alcohol

    To protect alcohol tax revenue in the United States all preparations classified as Rubbing Alcohols (defined as those containing ethanol) must have poisonous additives to limit human consumption in accordance with the requirements of the US Treasury Department, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, using Formula 23-H (8 parts by volume of acetone, 1.5 parts by volume of methyl isobutyl ketone, and 100 parts by volume of ethyl alcohol). It contains 87.5–91% by volume of absolute ethyl alcohol. The rest consists of water and the denaturants, with or without color additives, and perfume oils. Rubbing alcohol contains in each 100 ml more than 355 mg of sucrose octaacetate or more than 1.40 mg of denatonium benzoate. The preparation may be colored with one or more color additives. A suitable stabilizer may also be added.[12]

    Rubbing alcohol - Wikipedia
    I haven't really read much about rubbing alcohol before Covid, I started to read about it when I decided to make my own hand sanitiser. I came across many companies here in UK using "rubbing alcohol" as a synonym for isopropyl alcohol during my initial searches, like this company:
    Isopropanol (C3H8O, IPA) | Fisher Scientific
     
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