modding the 510 atty

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Some1OnThisForum

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after being thoroughly impressed with the 901 atty on my mega 510, i realized its so good because of the hole on the side.

Anyone know how i can safely mod my 510 attys like the 901.

that hole on the 901 is what it needs, and its purpose is more primary air to assist a mor complete combustion.


Also, if you do not realize, 510 attys operate under incomplete combustion, and this releases mini amounts of carbon monoxide into your lungs. This is true with all atomization processes.

Like my other thread, im pretty savvy when it comes to this subject. its my profession

so any help here with some household items to make the hole would be greatly appreciated

heres the hole on the 901 atty i want to create on my 510 atty...

DSE901%20Atomizer.jpg
 
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I've never used a 901, so I'm not familiar with them. I was, however, under the impression that there was no combustion at all in the vaping process... what material(s) are being combusted?

My Halo element is 510, but the atty doesn't screw all the way flush with the battery connector, so air gets in through the gap, it makes for an easy drag without modification. The atty has two small holes in the connector portion and a couple of vents that let air in to those holes, but I think the slight gap helps with airflow as well.

Like I said, never used a 901, and so I don't know where the hole is located, how large it is, what the material is where the hole is located... but why not just use a drill with a small bit?
 

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Some1OnThisForum said: Also, if you do not realize, 510 attys operate under incomplete combustion, and this releases mini amounts of carbon monoxide into your lungs. This is true with all atomization processes.

Incomplete combustion of fossil fuels is the contributor of CO in those products. There are no fossil fuels involved in PG, VG, or the flavors used in the Ecig.

Check out this link for a chemical analysis of tobacco and Ecig products of process. The New Zealand lab says "NO" to carbon monoxide in Ecig vapor and "YES" to tobacco cigarettes.
Ecigarette mist harmless, inhaled or exhaled

The liquid is warmed, there is no combustion or intent to do so in an Ecig. Where did you get that info about CO in Ecigs? I'd like to see a link to the data.
 

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Incomplete combustion of fossil fuels is the contributor of CO in those products. There are no fossil fuels involved in PG, VG, or the flavors used in the Ecig.

Check out this link for a chemical analysis of tobacco and Ecig products of process. The New Zealand lab says "NO" to carbon monoxide in Ecig vapor and "YES" to tobacco cigarettes.
Ecigarette mist harmless, inhaled or exhaled

The liquid is warmed, there is no combustion or intent to do so in an Ecig. Where did you get that info about CO in Ecigs? I'd like to see a link to the data.

I think incomplete combustion of any material that contains hydrocarbons, even if not a fossil fuel, will create CO. I'm not aware of any fossil fuels in cigarettes, but just the combustion of the tobacco can produce CO.

I also would be surprise if anything is being combusted in an e-cig, there shouldn't be. Maybe if the atomizer is too hot and burning the fiber fill in the cartridge, or compounds in the flavors - but the temps would have to be unacceptably high. At normal atomizer temps it shouldn't happen.
 

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I think incomplete combustion of any material that contains hydrocarbons, even if not a fossil fuel, will create CO. I'm not aware of any fossil fuels in cigarettes, but just the combustion of the tobacco can produce CO.

I also would be surprise if anything is being combusted in an e-cig, there shouldn't be. Maybe if the atomizer is too hot and burning the fiber fill in the cartridge, or compounds in the flavors - but the temps would have to be unacceptably high. At normal atomizer temps it shouldn't happen.

this is true, atomization in itself is a form of combustion. Anything being combusted has the ability to create CO. I mean. where talking maybe 3 parts per million, but still. CO is CO. could be more. The 510 attys are not getting complete combustion because primary air flow is limited. The 901s have a hole at the bottom and if its more than 4 drops..it will leak. Hence the sheilds created for it.

Anyway, what im trying to get at is....

Anyone know how i can make a tiny hole in my 510 properly without damaging it

DSE901%20Atomizer.jpg


theres the hole on the 901 atty. 510 atty doesnt have it
 

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And here I thought the hole in the 901 was just to provide a handy place for juice to leak out!

I'm pretty sure the 510 (and 306) get plenty of air via the holes near their thread connection, which are absent in the 901.

there you have it sir, its for better air flow, this is why the 901 atty has better vapor production than the 501. The hole is sound but the downfall is like you said "leakage" As i suck, im pulling in excess primary air, for a smooth vape. Too much primary air is bad however. "over combustion" and the atty could actually get hotter. These 901 attys burn hotter than the 510
 
Too much primary air is bad however. "over combustion" and the atty could actually get hotter. These 901 attys burn hotter than the 510

I on the other hand think that too much airflow will cool the atty.

Overheating happens when the thermal coil in the atty is on without anything to compensate for the heat, not enough fluid or air...

I would think that atomizer's temperature is only good for "baking" and vaporizing, and not for actually burning. Otherwise the battery would only last half as long

When you burn things, the feedstock (fuel) gives back heat after it has been heated enough to combust. In evaporation, as the feedstock is heated, the molecules of fluid break apart and fly off with the heat gained by them, so you lose heat...otherwise people wouldn't sweat when it's hot.

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I on the other hand think that too much airflow will cool the atty.

Overheating happens when the thermal coil in the atty is on without anything to compensate for the heat, not enough fluid or air.

I know what you mean, but its actually the opposite when it comes to atmoization. The more primary air...the faster the combustion takes place, and a high combustion level heats the coil faster. I know its odd. just how it is. See, air contains oxygen, which in itself is combustible. any fuel needs oxygen for proper combustion to take place...this isnt just fossil fuels. any fuel. and e liquid is a fuel. i define fuel as anything needed for atomization. There is a common myth that e-liquids cant give off CO. this is not true. there is some parts of CO per million for incomplete combustion. thats why the pull on the 510 attys are longer and harder. Not enouigh excess air. Lack of excess air = incomplete combustion, and that always results in some CO regardless of the fuel source.


wouldn't it just be easier to start buying the 901 instead of the 510?

yes it is, and im starting to do that now, but i have 3 510 attys on hand i would like to mod with the hole so i can save money
 
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i have 3 510 attys on hand i would like to mod with the hole so i can save money

Just mark a spot and drill a small hole! On a 901, the hole is usually just above the atomizer. But the lower the hole, the greater the tendency for leakage, so I'd aim for somewhere in between the atomizer and the top of the bridge.
 

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I know what you mean, but its actually the opposite when it comes to atmoization. The more primary air...the faster the combustion takes place, and a high combustion level heats the coil faster. I know its odd. just how it is. See, air contains oxygen, which in itself is combustible. any fuel needs oxygen for proper combustion to take place...this isnt just fossil fuels. any fuel. and e liquid is a fuel. i define fuel as anything needed for atomization. There is a common myth that e-liquids cant give off CO. this is not true. there is some parts of CO per million for incomplete combustion. thats why the pull on the 510 attys are longer and harder. Not enouigh excess air. Lack of excess air = incomplete combustion, and that always results in some CO regardless of the fuel source.




yes it is, and im starting to do that now, but i have 3 510 attys on hand i would like to mod with the hole so i can save money

I hate to burst your bubble, but oxygen in itself is not combustible, it has to be combined with a fuel source. Oxygen promotes (and is required for) combustion. An atomizer is merely a heating element, like a toaster or an electric stove. Ejuice is not intended to be a fuel source.

VG has a flash point of 390F, and PG a flash point of 210F. Granted, above these temps, they COULD become fuel sources and would combust if combined with oxygen... and an ignition source.

At around 250+/-F, the atomizer should be rapidly vaporizing PG and VG less rapidly (unless atomizers are reaching temps above 390F, in which case the VG would also rapidly vaporize).

If there were an ignition source (open flame) in an ecig (or possibly if the device is malfunctioning and creating a spark), the PG and/or VG could combust.

There should not be any combustion happening in a properly functioning vaporizer, all the necessary ingredients are there except an ignition source. The ignitable mixture is explosive, and if it were combusting, I would expect flames would be shooting out of people's devices.

The autoignition temperatures of both PG and VG are around 700 degrees F (PG 700F, VG 698F) - it is extremely unlikely that even a malfunctioning atomizer is reaching those temps.

The products of PG combustion are carbon dioxide and water, so even if combustion were to take place, it would be relatively harmless - though some research papers claim that an acrid smoke is also produced. I don't know if incomplete combustion of PG will create CO, as can happen with other hydrocarbons, but it is certainly a possibility whenever a hydrocarbon is burned without adequate oxygen. Once again, combustion shouldn't be taking place, the liquid should merely be vaporizing rapidly (albeit into a potentially ignitable mixture).

If combustion of Glycerol (VG) were to occur, then Acrolein would be produced - ACROLEIN IS EXTREMELY TOXIC, A PULMONARY IRRITANT - IT WAS USED AS A CHEMICAL WEAPON DURING WWI!

VG also decomposes into acrolein at temperatures above 536F.

Since it is highly unlikely that VG is being combusted, or reaching temperatures high enough to make it decompose, there should not be any acrolein being produced.

If acrolein were being produce, I imagine most vapers would already be dead.

As long as the atomizer isn't reaching temps of 280C/536F, and as long as there is no spark or open flame to combust the ignitable mixture, there should be no combustion (therefore no possibility of CO) and no other toxic products (from VG or PG).

So vape away.

Of course, it would be quite difficult to evaluate all the potentially dangerous products or combustibility temperatures of all ejuice components, because there are so many flavors, containing AT LEAST one additional chemical for every flavor added. I seriously doubt, though, that any of them are reaching their autoignition temperatures. I would be more concerned with whether or not the flavor chemicals can be absorbed by the lungs, and maybe what they decompose into and at what temperatures.
 
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