Monday - It's time to VOTE!!!!

[cactusgirl]

I just wanted to remind everyone to get out to your polling station and vote today!

Personally, I have NO idea which of the clowns in my riding to vote for...the liberal candidate is the most popular (currently holds the seat in parliament). I really am clueless here about who to vote for.

Regardless of the local campaigns, I do NOT want to vote conservative and keep Harper in power. Really don't know much about Ignatieff aside from the smear campaign about his attendance record in parliament, lol. Layton is vocal, shows up to meetings, I don't know.... And the Green Party isn't really taken seriously by anyone. Heck, the candidate in my riding didn't even campaign!

At this point I am a swing vote...don't really think that my vote carries much weight but at the same time, I don't want to throw it away.

 

[AlbertaClipper]

Yeah, even if we go "eenie meenie miney mo", we need to vote, or we won't have the right to complain about it afterward!

VOTE!

 

[rachelcoffe]

Personally, we'll be voting Green since they're the only party who has given any indication of pro-vaping attitudes. Certainly, the candidate here in this riding, & their Health Critic too, have been very supportive of us. In fact, first thing tomorrow the Green candidate here will be joining us in demanding that CBC report the news re: the FDA's admitting final defeat on e-cigs. Election rules prevent her from doing so on election day.

There's not enough room on the Internet to list the plentitude of reasons to not vote Conservative in this election. If you want to see just some of them, visit:

Why Not Harper?

Oh, and don't forget...it was Harper's government that introduced HC's anti-vaping baloney.

The Liberals? Well, in this riding, Liberal MP Bob Rae refused to even acknowledge our simple, straightforward questions about vaping ("what is your and/or your party's position on electronic cigarettes & their status within Canada? If you and/or your party do not have a position...why don't you?")...let alone answer them. For nearly 6 months now. Despite receiving more-than-weekly emails, up-to-date information, some snail mails...and even some attempted phone calls. In the end, his legislative assistant dashed off a letter filled with anti-vaping nonsense so ludicrous, it almost cannot be believed...even when you see it. You can read more about our awful experience with Rae the contemptuous bum in this thread, top of page 2, post #11:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/canada-forum/177726-reply-my-mp-regards-letter-2.html

The NDP? Just as bad, which genuinely surprised us. Check the same thread for more info. Their candidate here actually freaked out on us when we finally managed to see her in person. Replete with red face & shouting. Apparently politely but insistently asking a policy question for months on end (because the candidate kept on ignoring the questions & never responded) is "threatening." Only to her chances of winning our vote. In the end, her refusal to answer was her answer. Layton & crew roundly ignored us as well, publicly - though early on, his office did privately send us some of the worst anti-vaping crap you ever did see (which was also rife with grammatical & spelling errors).

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Clearly, without proportional representation in Canada...the system is broken. Consider: in 2008, the Greens received nearly 7% of the vote. Result: zero seats. The Bloc received nearly 10% of the vote. Result: 49 seats. Unfair.

But even now, every vote does count for something. Your vote entitles the party that received it to $2 of federal funding. That's something!

So we choose for our vote's $2 to go to the only party that can reasonably be counted on to stand up for vapers: the Greens.

Actually voting is a matter of duty; whom you choose to vote for is a private matter of conscience. Despite all we've just said above, we wouldn't think any less of anyone here for voting differently than we are...even if your choice baffled us. But no matter who you vote for, we totally agree with cactusgirl & AlbertaClipper:

VOTE!!

 

[rolandpibb]

Personally, we'll be voting Green since they're the only party who has given any indication of pro-vaping attitudes. Certainly, the candidate here in this riding, & their Health Critic too, have been very supportive of us. In fact, first thing tomorrow the Green candidate here will be joining us in demanding that CBC report the news re: the FDA's admitting final defeat on e-cigs. Election rules prevent her from doing so on election day.

There's not enough room on the Internet to list the plentitude of reasons to not vote Conservative in this election. If you want to see just some of them, visit:

Why Not Harper?

Oh, and don't forget...it was Harper's government that introduced HC's anti-vaping baloney.

The Liberals? Well, in this riding, Liberal MP Bob Rae refused to even acknowledge our simple, straightforward questions about vaping ("what is your and/or your party's position on electronic cigarettes & their status within Canada? If you and/or your party do not have a position...why don't you?")...let alone answer them. For nearly 6 months now. Despite receiving more-than-weekly emails, up-to-date information, some snail mails...and even some attempted phone calls. In the end, his legislative assistant dashed off a letter filled with anti-vaping nonsense so ludicrous, it almost cannot be believed...even when you see it. You can read more about our awful experience with Rae the contemptuous bum in this thread, top of page 2, post #11:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/canada-forum/177726-reply-my-mp-regards-letter-2.html

The NDP? Just as bad, which genuinely surprised us. Check the same thread for more info. Their candidate here actually freaked out on us when we finally managed to see her in person. Replete with red face & shouting. Apparently politely but insistently asking a policy question for months on end (because the candidate kept on ignoring the questions & never responded) is "threatening." Only to her chances of winning our vote. In the end, her refusal to answer was her answer. Layton & crew roundly ignored us as well, publicly - though early on, his office did privately send us some of the worst anti-vaping crap you ever did see (which was also rife with grammatical & spelling errors).

---

Clearly, without proportional representation in Canada...the system is broken. Consider: in 2008, the Greens received nearly 7% of the vote. Result: zero seats. The Bloc received nearly 10% of the vote. Result: 49 seats. Unfair.

But even now, every vote does count for something. Your vote entitles the party that received it to $2 of federal funding. That's something!

So we choose for our vote's $2 to go to the only party that can reasonably be counted on to stand up for vapers: the Greens.

Actually voting is a matter of duty; whom you choose to vote for is a private matter of conscience. Despite all we've just said above, we wouldn't think any less of anyone here for voting differently than we are...even if your choice baffled us. But no matter who you vote for, we totally agree with cactusgirl & AlbertaClipper:

VOTE!!

I cannot disagree more. A vote for the green party, is a vote for Harper.

Unless you're going to vote NDP, Harper is getting in again.

If you want to usurp the Conservative power, you have to vote for the party who is next in the polls.

Voting green will splinter the vote.

 

[rachelcoffe]

I cannot disagree more. A vote for the green party, is a vote for Harper.

Unless you're going to vote NDP, Harper is getting in again.

If you want to usurp the Conservative power, you have to vote for the party who is next in the polls.

Voting green will splinter the vote.

Respectfully must disagree. Even if Harper gets another minority, it would last for all of five seconds. He'll lose the first vote of confidence that's called, absolutely...because no one in Parliament has confidence in this guy or his crooked government.

Greens need all the votes they can get, right across every riding in Canada - to bring them that much more funding, & to make all the more clear the need for plain, simple proportional representation in Canada. And perhaps even elect an MP or two this time!!

And there's the simple fact that we feel compelled to give our vote to the only pro-vaping party in this go-around. We also happen to strongly agree with much of their platform!

Even if we agreed with your strategic voting viewpoint (which we respectfully do not, at this time)...the incumbent in this riding is a Liberal. A lousy one who thinks this will be a cakewalk. Conservatives haven't got a prayer in this riding. So no one will be hurt by our Green vote.

Anyway...regardless of our perfectly respectable difference of opinion hon, I'm sure you can agree that whatever the case, we all need to go out to the polls today, and

VOTE!!

 

[rolandpibb]

Respect is always implied. Sometimes I can be curt, but hopefully I'm never disrespectful.

Even if we agreed with your strategic voting viewpoint (which we respectfully do not, at this time)

Who are the we of whom we speak? If you are speaking we as a majority of voters, the we, being the you, are wrong. The majority of Canadians voted against Harper. And as of the last poll, the largest chunk of the non-conservatives is the NDP.

Even if Harper gets another minority, it would last for all of five seconds. He'll lose the first vote of confidence that's called, absolutely...because no one in Parliament has confidence in this guy or his crooked government.

I certainly don't want to go to another election right away, wasting millions more of our taxpayer dollars. Why not vote for a party who has almost enough votes to make a real change?

Greens need all the votes they can get, right across every riding in Canada - to bring them that much more funding, & to make all the more clear the need for plain, simple proportional representation in Canada. And perhaps even elect an MP or two this time!!

Votes that distract from a majority rule, sets us up for more of nothing.

And there's the simple fact that we feel compelled to give our vote to the only pro-vaping party in this go-around.

I would give up e-cigarettes entirely if it meant that the conservatives would no longer rule. How a party acted on the campaign trail with indifference or ignorance to e-cigarettes, makes no difference to me.

...the incumbent in this riding is a Liberal. A lousy one who thinks this will be a cakewalk. Conservatives haven't got a prayer in this riding. So no one will be hurt by our Green vote.

An Liberal riding stolen by the NDP is exactly what we need!!!!!!!!!!! Your riding is one of the most important!!!!!!!!! The more votes toward an NDP majority or minority rule is the only way to bring about change.

Anyway...regardless of our perfectly respectable difference of opinion hon, I'm sure you can agree that whatever the case, we all need to go out to the polls today, and

VOTE!!

Yes, vote!

 

[tomknotts]

I like some of the green party views but they are too one sided..."clean up canada" its like alot of this onsided partys out there it will be more of "we accomplished are party goals... but now we have no clue on how to run the country"

As for the 3 main... i like the conservative view and trying to abolish gun control(biggest waste of money yet), but i cannot vote fro them ever because of GST (damn you mulroney) oh and the free trade agreement(i just love paying 1.40$/l for gas)

as for the ndp and the libs... its a crap shoot both have good points to them both have really bad point... but i believe I will vote liberal in my riding not because i want them in power in canada but for the main fact they guy running in my riding has done alot of good for us were the ndp and conservatives and ignored us when they were in power

 

[rachelcoffe]

Roland...by 'we' I meant our household, lol.

Secondly...did we mention what a totally hostile idiot the NDP candidate in this riding was? Yes, we did. Without going into even more detail on her than we have already (and believe me, there's more), she is thoroughly unqualified to work in a Tim Hortons, let alone be a Member of Parliament. No damn way is she getting our vote.

Thirdly, if Harper gets another minority & quickly loses the first possible confidence vote...that will not necessarily mean another election. The Governor General can lawfully go to the opposition to form government. Which is why we believe that even if Harper gets another minority...it will very quickly translate to an NDP government. Harper & crew simply no longer have the confidence of our Parliament, and that's as it should be. There comes a tipping point where the b.s. cannot hold. We're past that now, and the muck's gotten all over the nice carpets.

Lastly, we sure as hell do not want a majority Liberal government! Frankly, we'd even be leery of an NDP majority...which is an unlikely longshot anyway. I think we all agree that the NDP would consider a minority to be a huge success, considering where they've been. What we do want is to see more funding go to the Greens - a starker contrast drawn to the need for proportional representation - and for a Green MP or two to get elected!

Hope that answers where we're coming from.

 

[rolandpibb]

As for the 3 main... i like the conservative view and trying to abolish gun control(biggest waste of money yet), but i cannot vote fro them ever because of GST (damn you mulroney) oh and the free trade agreement(i just love paying 1.40$/l for gas)

I believe we've already had gun control here in Canada for years. If you're speaking about getting rid of the gun registry, because it is the (biggest waste of money yet), you can blame the conservatives for that one. They wasted money at ever turn, trying to get the gun registry abolished.

I am for our gun registry for one reason; It will save police officer's lives.

A few years ago, a female police officer in my area and her partner arrived at the door of a reported domestic disturbance. As she knocked on the door, she was shot through the door with a legal hunting rifle, causing enough damage to render the lower half of her leg useless, and it had to be amputated.

Had a gun registry been in place showing that a legally owned hunting rifle was on the premises, the police would have taken different precautions.

If I want to have all the implied benefits, I have to register a car, my baby, even the blu-ray player that my GF just won, why would having to register a deadly weapon be any different?

but i believe I will vote... ....for the main fact they guy running in my riding has done alot of good for us

That is the best reason to vote.

 

[Mudder]

I voted this morning as soon as I dropped the kids off at school. I wanna be able to gripe whine and moan if I don't like something.

 

[rachelcoffe]

i believe I will vote liberal in my riding not because i want them in power in canada but for the main fact they guy running in my riding has done alot of good for us

That is the best reason to vote.

Agreed.

The measure of a local candidate counts for a lot, parties aside.

 

[rolandpibb]

Roland...by 'we' I meant our household, lol.

Secondly...did we mention what a totally hostile idiot the NDP candidate in this riding was? Yes, we did. Without going into even more detail on her than we have already (and believe me, there's more), she is thoroughly unqualified to work in a Tim Hortons, let alone be a Member of Parliament. No damn way is she getting our vote.

Thirdly, if Harper gets another minority & quickly loses the first possible confidence vote...that will not necessarily mean another election. The Governor General can lawfully go to the opposition to form government. Which is why we believe that even if Harper gets another minority...it will very quickly translate to an NDP government. Harper & crew simply no longer have the confidence of our Parliament, and that's as it should be. There comes a tipping point where the b.s. cannot hold. We're past that now, and the muck's gotten all over the nice carpets.

Lastly, we sure as hell do not want a majority Liberal government! Frankly, we'd even be leery of an NDP majority...which is an unlikely longshot anyway. I think we all agree that the NDP would consider a minority to be a huge success, considering where they've been. What we do want is to see more funding go to the Greens - a starker contrast drawn to the need for proportional representation - and for a Green MP or two to get elected!

Hope that answers where we're coming from.

You bet. The green party candidate in my riding is a great guy. I like him, and his policies. He just is in the wrong riding, our NDP MP has done much for my area, and is unlikely to lose his seat.

 

[cactusgirl]

I'll be voting this afternoon when picking up the kids from school (polling station is at the jr. high)...so, at this moment, it's a toss up between Green and NDP.

 

[smokum]

All "governments" are a sad joke since "we the people" no longer exists, let alone do we have any say in the actual governing decisions or procedures once "whoever" becomes voted into place gain that position.

Our choices are to vote for the party of lesser evil, and to decide based on the BIG picture of Canada as a whole. Believe it or not, there "IS" more to the election than only vaping concerns.

 

[kanadiankat]

I lived in a city of just over a million people for many years. Some critical issues were on the table when the mayoral elections were held. The polls widely favored one candidate. He seemed to be the guy to get things moving in the right direction again.

Unfortunately - only 10% of the population showed up to vote. The winner took his position with just 90 votes more than the next guy.

Every vote counts.

 

[muleygirl]

I will be voting this afternoon. That said I sure wish there was a party I really believed in. I mostly believe that the parties are the same they just wear differnet colours. I haven't heard a single word from any of the candiates. And it seems out here we have no voice, no say at all how we would like things to go.
I would like to spoil my ballot but I don't know if that will even get heard that I don't have confidence in any party. I have no idea if this even makes any sense,.

 

[rolandpibb]

I will be voting this afternoon. That said I sure wish there was a party I really believed in. I mostly believe that the parties are the same they just wear differnet colours. I haven't heard a single word from any of the candiates. And it seems out here we have no voice, no say at all how we would like things to go.
I would like to spoil my ballot but I don't know if that will even get heard that I don't have confidence in any party. I have no idea if this even makes any sense,.

Lol.

Once when I lived in the Prairies as a young man, there were 7 candidates.

I spoiled my ballot because a certain 2 word phrase fit perfectly in the circles

 

[Kams Cats]

You bet. The green party candidate in my riding is a great guy. I like him, and his policies. He just is in the wrong riding, our NDP MP has done much for my area, and is unlikely to lose his seat.

I guess it wouldn't bother me if our MP actually did something here. I don't even know if she is alive or dead. She doesn't answer emails or phone calls or see people. She didn't exactly campaign either. In fact the only thing she anyone around here can say she did was be involved with the "in and out scandal."

Yet I am 99% sure she will get back in.

 

[Danesnpits]

Personally, we'll be voting Green since they're the only party who has given any indication of pro-vaping attitudes. Certainly, the candidate here in this riding, & their Health Critic too, have been very supportive of us. In fact, first thing tomorrow the Green candidate here will be joining us in demanding that CBC report the news re: the FDA's admitting final defeat on e-cigs. Election rules prevent her from doing so on election day.

There's not enough room on the Internet to list the plentitude of reasons to not vote Conservative in this election. If you want to see just some of them, visit:

Why Not Harper?

Oh, and don't forget...it was Harper's government that introduced HC's anti-vaping baloney.

The Liberals? Well, in this riding, Liberal MP Bob Rae refused to even acknowledge our simple, straightforward questions about vaping ("what is your and/or your party's position on electronic cigarettes & their status within Canada? If you and/or your party do not have a position...why don't you?")...let alone answer them. For nearly 6 months now. Despite receiving more-than-weekly emails, up-to-date information, some snail mails...and even some attempted phone calls. In the end, his legislative assistant dashed off a letter filled with anti-vaping nonsense so ludicrous, it almost cannot be believed...even when you see it. You can read more about our awful experience with Rae the contemptuous bum in this thread, top of page 2, post #11:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/canada-forum/177726-reply-my-mp-regards-letter-2.html

The NDP? Just as bad, which genuinely surprised us. Check the same thread for more info. Their candidate here actually freaked out on us when we finally managed to see her in person. Replete with red face & shouting. Apparently politely but insistently asking a policy question for months on end (because the candidate kept on ignoring the questions & never responded) is "threatening." Only to her chances of winning our vote. In the end, her refusal to answer was her answer. Layton & crew roundly ignored us as well, publicly - though early on, his office did privately send us some of the worst anti-vaping crap you ever did see (which was also rife with grammatical & spelling errors).

---

Clearly, without proportional representation in Canada...the system is broken. Consider: in 2008, the Greens received nearly 7% of the vote. Result: zero seats. The Bloc received nearly 10% of the vote. Result: 49 seats. Unfair.

But even now, every vote does count for something. Your vote entitles the party that received it to $2 of federal funding. That's something!

So we choose for our vote's $2 to go to the only party that can reasonably be counted on to stand up for vapers: the Greens.

Actually voting is a matter of duty; whom you choose to vote for is a private matter of conscience. Despite all we've just said above, we wouldn't think any less of anyone here for voting differently than we are...even if your choice baffled us. But no matter who you vote for, we totally agree with cactusgirl & AlbertaClipper:

VOTE!!

Same here, I voted green today. They are all for ecigs!

 

[AlbertaClipper]

I thought we'd found that the Greens supported C36???