That's just ridiculous. Half of those that attend a Ravens or O's game will get in their car and drive home intoxicated, but thank god nobody will be annoyed by second hand smoke or what looks like second hand smoke.
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That's just ridiculous. Half of those that attend a Ravens or O's game will get in their car and drive home intoxicated, but thank god nobody will be annoyed by second hand smoke or what looks like second hand smoke.
^^ This. It's not about health or safety. It's about control of the people.
Kids are getting over weight...it's not a problem with too much TV, or video games....it must be Happy meals....incoming ban to happy Meals.
Adults are overweight...can't be the fact they have 26 hours of TV per week DVR'ed they have to watch...it must be soda...incoming ban on large sodas, next will be doughnuts, candy bars, and all other forms of flavorful enjoyment.
They want to control speech by making making everything "politically correct" and anything that is not, must be racist, or sexist, or at the very least deemed offensive.
Smoking causes cancer? It does now. Forget the fact that people smoked NATURAL tobacco for hundreds of years without too many complications, and lets ignore the fact that what we are sold as tobacco today is essentially dipped in toxic waste before packaging...they must ban cigarettes and anything that remotely resembles that...INSTEAD of forcing Big Tobacco to stop dipping the tobacco in every barrel at the local refineries and the sewer, before rolling them up.
I better stop my rant here, I am about to get carried away.
Speaking of stadiums, I was watching the Orioles game last night. They were playing in Los Angeles. The camera was cutting away to Orioles fans that were in the stands, and they got a shot of a girl sitting behind the dugout vaping on a provari with a pro tank. I thought it was pretty cool.
Don't forget to look down apologetically when they fake cough as they pass by.
And yes, I know you were being sarcastic.
Heh. When was the last time you heard of political correctness being attached to reason?
Mandatory hand sniffing! Problem solved. It amazes me how strongly smokers smell, now that I have a sense of smell again. To say you can't tell the difference is just stupid.
I never believed in "forcing" my opinion of e-cigs on the general public because they lack the knowledge to handle the situation rationally. Also the science hasn't caught up to what we think and know about them so people will always fear the unknown. I vape in public but I follow smoking laws as much as possible, especially when it comes to establishments.
Had we been more responsible with our freedom and let the science show it was safe before blowing clouds in peoples faces, we probably would be facing a lot less bans right now. I'm just hoping they stop at just grouping us outside with smokers as the Government and ANTZ tend to go for broke when it comes to banning things.
Last thing is.. I'd rather be near smokers who I can potentially save with vaping than a bunch of leave it to beavers coughing at my peach flavored "smoke". I don't hate on smokers nor do I mind being around them, I did the same thing for over 15 years.
Had we been more responsible with our freedom and let the science show it was safe before blowing clouds in peoples faces, we probably would be facing a lot less bans right now. I'm just hoping they stop at just grouping us outside with smokers as the Government and ANTZ tend to go for broke when it comes to banning things.
Last thing is.. I'd rather be near smokers who I can potentially save with vaping than a bunch of leave it to beavers coughing at my peach flavored "smoke". I don't hate on smokers nor do I mind being around them, I did the same thing for over 15 years.
This is simply not true. When the FDA illegally attempted to ban ecigs in September 2009, it was not because we were blowing clouds of smoke in people's faces. Very few people had heard of ecigs at the time. I had never seen one or heard of them. This ban was made because someone at the FDA felt like it, and they thought they could get away with it. Had it not been for a lawsuit filed on our behalf, they would have. Support CASAA, they are our best defense of vaping!
Smokers have been shamed into submission by the ANTZ. We cannot afford to meekly accept whatever "reasonable restrictions" they place on us. The fact that smoking is prohibited in private establishments still makes me angry. Why on earth is a legal product being used for its intended purpose not permitted on private property? Why should the government have the right to tell an owner what legal activities they can permit in their own building? We must stand for individual property rights of all people. I agree that we should not hate on smokers, most of us were smokers at one time, too.
When they were seizing e-cig shipments it was a direct response to a rapidly growing business dipping its hand in their honey jar. The recent bans are mainly driven by public outcry claiming that "not enough is known about the contents of the vapor" rather than money. What do you think caused so many people to get upset about it, I'm pretty sure they didn't go google it and then go out looking for vapers to get mad at. I'm not saying give up our rights or freedoms, I'm saying don't pick the fight until we have the ammunition to win the war. As it stands right now we are not winning, even with great representatives helping us at every possible level of negativity and lawmaking. We need to be more active in this as a community and instead of getting 250k signatures, have the other millions of vapers show up as well.
I would love to see one of the bigger companies to run a commercial showing tests done and results about safety rather than how cool an e-cig looks. We need to change the public perception before we can start winning this war, blowing vapor around town isn't helping that perception unless we personally stop and educate every last person it comes into contact with.
I agree with what you said, but the fact remains that most people don't know that second hand vapor doesn't harm them. How would they know? So, when a few choose to create huge plumes of vapor while out in public and pretty much blow it in peoples' faces, they are not doing us any favors. In this case, as in most, political opinion is 99% determined by perception, rather than facts.
I agree Edd. I don't believe that the blowing clouds in people's faces is the reason the ANTZ are swarming. Like you said, they were all over this before ecigs were as well known as they are now. I didn't even know or hear about the debacle in 2009 until I found ECF.
However, I do believe that they are fighting harder because they lost that battle. And I seriously doubt that there are so very many blowing clouds that are drawing their attention. Most people that post here are afraid to draw attention themselves.
However, I do believe that they are fighting harder because they lost that battle. And I seriously doubt that there are so very many blowing clouds that are drawing their attention. Most people that post here are afraid to draw attention themselves.
Now just because they ban them.. doesn't mean anyone will enforce it..
I openly vape in 'banned restaurant's' all the time.. sometimes I stealth vape if I'm not in the mood of explaining it to someone
and most bar's - all you gotta do is ask the bartender and in most cases.. I've had the bartender pull one out as well.. I don't know how it is in the UK - but it's growing a lot more acceptable around the East Coast finally.
I openly vape in 'banned restaurant's' all the time.. sometimes I stealth vape if I'm not in the mood of explaining it to someone
and most bar's - all you gotta do is ask the bartender and in most cases.. I've had the bartender pull one out as well.. I don't know how it is in the UK - but it's growing a lot more acceptable around the East Coast finally.
Hey, we are on the same side here. Many of the ANTZ are not mad because of personal experience with vapers. They are angry because the product is permitted. They think nicotine is evil, and they want to destroy its use. With some ANTZ, our conduct and considerate use of the product is completely irrelevant. I do agree with your premise that we cannot afford to alienate possible friends with boorish behavior.
All I am saying is if we never vape publicly, what good is the freedom to do so? Of course we should be sensible in the way we vape. We need to be responsible about how we handle the freedom. But when we have a property owner's permission to vape, vape proudly and openly. That is the time to explain the science of e-cigs to John Q Public. I agree that an information campaign would be great for the industry.
Happy Vaping!
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