Most rediculous shipping policy I have ever seen.

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acv987

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I was going to place an order today, with a supplier I have not used in a while. Upon going to their site I was greeted with this "The risk of loss and title for all merchandise ordered on this Web site pass to you when the merchandise is delivered to the shipping carrier."
To me this seems completely ridiculous and out of line. We pay the shipping to the supplier. They ship with whatever method they chose, therefore, delivery is the suppliers responsibility. I do not feel the need to mention the vendor's name, I just felt like venting to the forum. That's not a way to do business. It's a shame too because I really liked this vendor's juice.
 

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They are basically saying "Once we ship it, you're on your own and we won't bother to help you one bit with the shipper."

I don't do business with company's like that. They can keep their juice. Please name the vendor, so even if they change their policy on it, I will know it was them and know not to deal with them. There are too many vendors out there who care for me to be doing business with creeps.
 

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Legally they can do this, liability can either end when it is provided to the shipping company (at which time you would have to deal with USPS/UPS/etc in the case of a loss) or when it arrives at the buyer. Might not be the best practice, especially for a smaller company, but it is legal.

I've seen many very large companies with such a policy, as technically they did their part by handing it over to a courier/postal service. It's a fairly standard practice.
 
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Though they can legally do this I feel I paid for a product and deserve to receive it, and if it doesn't get to me I should be sent another. They should then either insure there product and figure it into there price or offer the customer the insurance. It's only about $1.80 to Insure a small pkg so at least offer it instead of putting that statement On your website. I dont know who the vendor is but one way or another when you buy and pay for something you deserve to receive it and it's on the seller to make sure of that in my opinion. my 2c
 
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By popular request I will reveal the vendor as VaporBomb. They make REALLY good juice, but with a policy like that I will not be ordering from them in the future. I am sure they are honest but its a shady policy to have. A vendor could just take your money, not send an item, and say too bad USPS lost it.
 

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They are just covering their a** legally. It doesn't mean they won't help if sometming goes wrong, just that they don't want to be held legally liable if it does. One bad lawsuit from a litigous a**hole can sink a small company in a quick hurry.
This is very true. I deal with some vendors that have this fine print on their site, yet they go way out of their way to make things right, even if they are not legally obligated to do so.
 

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I thought that was standard policy with any company actually. You give them money for shipping, they ship it. How is it their responsibility what happens to the stuff after it leaves their hands? Maybe the post office stole it, maybe your neighbor, or your neighbor's dog. Why would vaporbomb be required to send you another package if they can prove that they already sent you one?

i don't have any particular love for vaporbomb, they ignored an issue i had with one of their juices, so i won't be buying from them any longer either, but i still wouldn't expect them to ship me something a second time if they sent it already.

there'd be big browny points if they did something nice like that, but i would never approach them with the expectation that that's what they should do for me.
 
I will say that I used to ONLY deal with VB, I loved their stuff, he was wonderful, and the one time I had an issue with a shipment he fixed it right away.

THEN, I got turned onto a differnt vendor, I went to ONE juice only, and started using that other vender exclusive. Then, they screwed up my order, and refused to do a thing about it. basicly told me I was just screwed, after they ignored 3 emails, and I had to call them.

So, I will be going back to vapor bomb, and will appologize when I do, for ever having left him. He DID do me right when there was a mistake. Now, if I find he wont fix a problem, I will go elsewhere again. But I feel due to past issues, that he will indeed fix whats wrong.
 

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I guess I am going to be a voice of dissent. As long as a vendor can prove your order was shipped, they have fulfilled their responsiblity. They have no control over the PO or UPS. NONE. That is just a fact. It is impossible to hand deliver the package. As mwa stated, they should give the option of insurance but I feel relatively confident most would not pay it. Still, is should be offered.

As a matter of good will, I would probably resend orders. To an extent. There is a great deal of fraud out there with people who say they never received an item when in reality they did. I have to assume that since he put that on his site, he has had a few too many cases where people said they didn't receive their order. And maybe they didn't but it is still out of the hands of the business once it has been delivered to the shipping provider.

That being said, if he is having a lot of complaints, he should speak with the Post Master of his P.O.

I do not buy from VaporBomb so have no reason to defend him in particular.


When I started this I was the only one saying this. I see others have also chimed in. I can't help it. I am a slow typist. Plus the cat wanted to be fed. =)
 
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I agree with all these posts, but being in the retail business my self and shipping constantly, when I ship to a customer and something goes wrong, its my shipment that i made that didn't show up to the customer. So I truly feel its my responsibility to make it right. I'm the one guaranteeing that my product will be delivered once they give me their money. If theres a mistake at usps its my responsibility to make it right since it's my product until its in the hands of the purchaser!! just my opinion, I know their covering their ...'s. But statements like these vendors make can make customers feel like its "ship at customers risk" and i totally understand how that can make potential customers weary....
Just another of my opinions, but I dont feel like my job is done once my product is delivered to the shipper. I feel like my job is done once my product is in the customer's hands and the customer is satisfied. If someone is shipping a product back to me that their unhappy with I dont feel like its my responsibility to fix the issue should the product not make it back to me, nor will i release their refund until i receive the returned item. So i think it goes both ways.

again this is just the way i do business.... i know theres dishonest people out there, but i believe the majority of people are honest, and actually i know that the majority of people are honest because i very rarely run into these issues with costumers and have been shipping with usps regularly for the past 15yrs.
 
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I agree with all these posts, but being in the retail business my self and shipping constantly, when I ship to a customer and something goes wrong, its my shipment that i made that didn't show up to the customer. So I truly feel its my responsibility to make it right. I'm the one guaranteeing that my product will be delivered once they give me their money. If theres a mistake at usps its my responsibility to make it right since it's my product until its in the hands of the purchaser!! just my opinion, I know their covering their ...'s. But statements like these vendors make can make customers feel like its "ship at customers risk" and i totally understand how that can make potential customers weary....
Just another of my opinions, but I dont feel like my job is done once my product is delivered to the shipper. I feel like my job is done once my product is in the customer's hands and the customer is satisfied. If someone is shipping a product back to me that their unhappy with I dont feel like its my responsibility to fix the issue should the product not make it back to me, nor will i release their refund until i receive the returned item. So i think it goes both ways.

again this is just the way i do business.... i know theres dishonest people out there, but i believe the majority of people are honest, and actually i know that the majority of people are honest because i very rarely run into these issues with costumers and have been shipping with usps regularly for the past 15yrs.

I just had to chime in on this issue as a former internet seller. At one time I was shipping between 70 and 100 packages a week via USPS. Shipping that many packages, mistakes will happen and items will be lost. To make matters worse, these items were usually expensive watches, so they weren't easily replaced. I always went out of my way to make sure a customer was happy....WITHIN REASON I place so much emphasis on "WITHIN REASON" because there are many people who have been trained by the ridiculous "the customer's always right" mentality that will immediately expect a retailer to do anything and everything to make them happy, regardless of fault, circumstance, or policy.

A prime example of this was a customer I had who's son decided to open her package, take the watch out, and hit it repeatedly with a hammer. This customer reasoned since she had not been in possession of this watch before it was broken, I was at fault and should send her another watch.

Another excellent example was a man who gave me the wrong address for the shipment. He reasoned I should send him another watch because he never received the first one.

The last example I will use here is the customer who figured he should be entitled to a refund because his wife, who he was separated from, had collected the mail first and refused to give him his package.

I have literally hundreds of these examples where customers feel a company should sacrifice their hard-earned profits to satisfy them, even though the company has done everything correctly and the fault can be placed squarely on another entity. Customers know today's business models typically mean "the squeaky wheel gets the grease", so they cause as much disruption as they possibly can in order to get what they feel is owed to them, no matter how unreasonable.

A company saying they are not responsible for shipments once the item has been sent to the shipping company is simply a company who is trying not to be taken advantage of. They are not saying, "Once I have your money, you're screwed". They are simply saying, "I refuse to be a target for scammers and I hope my regular customers understand that".

Keep in mind. These companies are only trying to protect themselves and provide for their families. As customers, we have tremendous power to make or break a company and these retailers understand this. If we as consumers have been happy and satisfied with a companies products and service in the past, we should keep that satisfaction in the front of our minds while hearing about new policies we may not understand. In today's economical environment ditching a company for simply trying to protect its interests is very irresponsible of us as ditching said company could very well be the catalyst for that company going out of business.

Instead of ditching said company, might I recommend calling the owner of that company and asking him/her to clarify the reasons for the new policy or procedure you don't understand. You just might find yourself agreeing with said new policy once you understand the motivation behind it.

Of course, this is only my opinion.

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If something happens to something that is shipped who is it that asks the shipper for an investigation . The answer is the person who shipped the item and is them who should incur the loss . I paid for an item and it is up to who ever I paid to get that item to me by what ever means they need to . Just because they pass the cost of shipping onto me does not mean I am liable if the vendor/shipper looses the item or the item is damaged . Whom ever ships an item can in some cases choose to buy insurance for that item .
 
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