Mouth ulcers

[IndustrialAction]

I have two small cuts (possibly ulcers) inside my bottom lip under the tooth line. They're accompanied by a "weird" taste and significant "dry mouth". I think all I need to do is up my fluid intake b/c their location is not somewhere that I would be exposing to vaping (at least not when taking a drag). It is disconcerting but I'm hoping that a few big doses of Listerine and a lot of fluid will get rid of them!

 

[Jammin]

I appreciate your well thought out reply but I know for me personally its the ejuice causing the ulcers. IT isn't very likely that any of what you wrote below applies to me, and the timing coupled with the fact that I am hearing so many vapers with this same issue leads me to believe the ECig is the cuprit. I just hope it goes away (none at the moment active knock on wood) and is just an adjustement period or something to the juice.

Mouth ulcers can be caused by a lot of different things. May not necessarily be the vape. How often do you wash the tip of your e cig?

Have you noticed an increase in how often you wake with a dry mouth/throat? Sometimes all it can take for an ulcer is a small tear on the inside of your mouth (which may be caused from being overly dry for a long period).... mix that with a little funky bacteria, and an ulcer.
* Mouth injury: biting or chewing the inside of the mouth causes ulcers as does the excessive use of a toothbrush. They can also be caused by dental treatment, a sports injury or poorly fitting dentures.
* Bad diet: a diet lacking in certain vitamins, folic acid or iron can trigger the development of mouth ulcers.
* Allergies: in rare cases a food allergy might be a factor or an allergy to bacteria present in the mouth.
* Hormones: women are more prone to mouth ulcers than men which are due to changes in their hormone levels. They are likely to develop mouth ulcers at the onset of a period, during pregnancy or after menopause.
* Stopping smoking: many people who stop smoking find that they develop mouth ulcers as a consequence. This is the body’s reaction to chemical changes from smoking cessation and these ulcers will disappear after a short period of time.
* Hereditary: there are cases where more than one member of a family is prone to mouth ulcers. If either of your parents are prone to persistent mouth ulcers then there is very good chance you will do the same.
* Medical condition: mouth ulcers can be caused by an underlying medical problem such as Coeliac Disease, Crohn’s Disease, Reiter’s Syndrome, Ulcerative Colitis and immune system disorders e.g. HIV. Any disease which causes an inflammation in the body or affects your immune system in some way can cause mouth ulcers. Note: but not every ulcer will be the aphthous type.
* Medicine: mouth ulcers can develop as a reaction to a certain type of medication. These include beta-blockers (e.g. high blood pressure), Nicorandil (angina medication) and non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs). In the latter case this includes over the counter drugs such as Ibuprofen. Mouth ulcers can develop when the medicine is first taken or if the dosage is increased. In most cases this is a temporary side effect and will disappear after a period of time.
* Bacteria: there are numerous kinds of bacteria present in the mouth and these can cause mouth ulcers. One such example is ‘helicobacter pylori’.
* Diet: foods which are highly acidic are known triggers for mouth ulcers and include eggs, coffee, cheese, strawberries and pineapple.
* Lifestyle: excessive stress or anxiety puts pressure on the immune system which can also cause mouth ulcers. Smoking and drinking to excess can also lead to the development of ulcers.
* Toothpaste: many brands of toothpaste contain the ingredient sodium lauryl sulphate which can cause mouth ulcers.

 

[StarsAndBars]

No biggy. I wiki'd it. Copy... Paste. Don't fre4k out, I currently have an ulcer my self. Been vaping for 5 months now, and I think this is only my second.

 

[thewomenfolk]

Axl, you are too funny...."if you're happy and you know it pop a snus!" I know where you've been trained! haha

Let's keep this thread going, we really need to find a solution for these mouth problems.

 

[LittleOralFix]

I have been 100% Analog free for near 2 years now. I vape when out driving and such for anxiety. However I notice when I have been vaping a lot my mouth hurts, the start of sores, my tongue even. I have PG and think I need to switch....

 

[lafl333]

45 days no cigs just vap...no ulcers...thank God...don't need any more problems!!!

 

[Vapmire]

I actually have one now..

I doubt it's the vapor.. It could be from the increased blood flow of stopping smoking..

Gums hurt like hell for the past 3 days, bleeding when brushing/flossing, etc..

There's no reason to think the vapor is causing mouth ulcers..

Not even a high nicotine level would do it, otherwise you'd see snus users/tobacco chewers without cheeks..

 

[thewomenfolk]

Is anyone finding that the sores in your mouth get better when you dilute your ejuice a bit? Could it be the strength of the flavoring, does a stronger flavoring make things worse, maybe especially the tobacco flavors?

 

[IndustrialAction]

Well, I've been rinsing with Listerine three times a day and everything seems to be on the mend. My guess is that "dry-mouth" caused by heavy vaping and the drying effects of PG without sufficient water intake lead to a bacteria breeding ground. The Listerine cleared it up so I'll just have to be more careful going forward.

 

[Zoey]

Use orajel mouth wash. Its for mouth sores, irritated gums. I have a ulcer right now you have to use it several times a day helps with the pain, if its too much get the orajel-gel. Should help. Its working for me.

 

[Arthur Dent]

A suggestion: Could the ulcer-sufferers post their specific vaping info, such as 1) Brand / flavor / strength of juice 2) Equipment used 3) General vaping habits (light / heavy, long / short sessions).

If any pattern appeared, it might be helpful.

Just a thought.

 

[angry-amy]

are you still having these ulcers? you can rinse your mouth out with a 50/50 solution of maalox and milk of magnesia.
it sounds horrible, but i had ulcers in my mouth a lot as a kid and my dentist used to call this his magic mouth wash to fix it.

 

[Recycled]

Dehydration is the main cause.
I have been vaping for almost two years and still get mouth ulcers once in a while. I notice it is when I haven't been drinking as much water as usual.
As IndustrialAction said, "'dry-mouth' caused by heavy vaping and the drying effects of PG without sufficient water intake lead to a bacteria breeding ground."
When I feel one coming on I start pushing fluids. Use the various remedies for relief of pain, but the real cause is most probably not enough fluid intake.

All the speculation about VG/PG, High/Low juice strength, flavors, etc. don't carry across as common to all sufferers. We all have increased dehydration from vaping.

As General Jack D. Ripper (Sterling Hayden) would say, "We must conserve our our precious bodily fluids!"

 

[rothenbj]

"if you're happy and you know it pop a snus!"

So true and I really liked that. Sorry to hear about all your problems, but mouth ulcers weren't a problem for me at all. I vaped pretty heavy for seven months before finding god, I mean snus. Since I've vaped less and less so the chances of an issue at this point would be less.

I had some perio issues for the past few years and the only thing that I noticed on stopping smoking was a lot of bleeding or so I thought. I feared going to the dentist for my quarterly visit with what I was experiencing. Instead, they told me things were much better. Shocked me a bit. When things started improving, I told them about the vaping and they were very interested. On my last visit they were talking about going back to the six month visit schedule, but I kept it at three just to be on the safe side.

Things to consider are making sure you drink a lot of water, I drank a lot before vaping and I increased by a lot after. You may think you're drinking a lot, but it might not be enough. I think someone mentioned Biotene earlier. There are a number of good mouth products out there. I started using Drx Katz Perio therapy (they have a number of different products) for gum health, but it has Aloe Vera which might help with your mouth ulcers.

Then again, if nothing works, if you're happy and you know it pop a snus!

 

[Biomom]

Lots of good replies here. 2 things I'd like to highlight: 1. Nicotene juice is a known irritant and can be a contributor if you're getting it in your mouth esp. at high mg levels. 2. Definitely think about the germs on your PV; so many germs on our hands, and our PV's tend to be played with in our hands more than an analog would be. We reuse the PV and not an analog. Little extra germ care could help. (my brother used to get sores all the time when he was little and a THUMB SUCKER

Personally, I'd try the mouthwash items listed, the aloe, or if it's stubborn and you think it's viral, a steeped teabag (dabbed on for 5 min, twice/day 2 days or more) may help; I use this on my kids for cold sores. There are probiotic supplements available too that often help various infections.

WATER heals... always stay hydrated.

Good luck to all!

 

[Bossman]

I've got about 5 in my mouth right now. Only been vaping for a couple of weeks. Highest mg has been 24, most are 18 or 12, no tobacco flavors. After the first week I got some new juices, went from Dekang all PG to a 50/50 blend with extra flavoring. Tried Kanka which is a numbing agent which helps for awhile, but then really has been drying out my lips. Going to go to Walgreens now and talk to a pharmacist. I'll report back.

 

[Bossman]

OK after talking to a pharmacist and a dentist (personal friends) they both concurred, for me anyway, that this is a common issue with quitting smoking, and the added dehydration from the vaping and increased stress. My car was totaled in an accident last Saturday which was very stressful dealing with ins. and looking for a new car ect. My pharmacist friend said the likelyhood of reaction to anything in the e-juice is slim to none, possibly PG, however it's in so many products we consume everyday, and with no prior reaction he doubts that's it. Both recommended increased hydration 9-10 glasses of water per day when vaping. My dentist recommended Rincinol from GUM, which I picked up at Walgreens. It contains Aloe Vera and has no dramatic numbing effect nor burning and pain caused by the Kanka gel I've used.

 

[rothenbj]

PBD, let us know how you make out.

 

[dspin]

The people reporting to the FDA are either Buffoons or Ringers

I saw that that is one of the symtoms of vaping that ppl are reporting to the FDA along with rashes, sore throat, ect. I think it from pg, but many will tell you that everything that may happen is a result of quitting smoking. It throws them off if you still smoke...not thhat nothing happens when you quit, Im just saying.

 

[Aunt Cranky]

I found that I got the mouth ulcers with some e-juice but not others. Some of the flavored juice really caused me trouble, so I switched vendors. I have not had an analog since February and could not be happier, but you may want to experiment with different liquids to see if you might have an allergic reaction to VG or PG, and some of the flavoring compounds that are used.

I also make sure I drink a LOT of water (VG really dries out my mouth and throat) when I'm heavy vaping (like when I'm gaming in front of the PC for hours on end).