mtbakervapor

[Seanchai]

Okay, MBV brain trust - assuming Pumpkin Spice restocks, I'm still going with MBV for my order this month... but I need something to replace Sticky Bun. What else has the same level of sweetness, at least? Maple Pecan? Butterscotch? Something else? Both of those have been on my "to try" list, but I was planning on getting a giant bottle of Sticky Bun and 15 ml bottles of those to sample as funds allowed. Gotta change tack now, so I place myself in your hands.

 

[DustyZ]

+1. 3 hours of sleep is a banner night for me.

Yup, same here.

 

[Ms.Kitty]

wow.....exactly what r some people vaping?

I'm 6 pgs. in, now.
Apparently, cinnamon (which, imo, includes most bakery), fruits (citrus) and butter are all no-no's....what's left?

 

[Criticalmass]

wow.....exactly what r some people vaping?

I'm 6 pgs. in, now.
Apparently, cinnamon (which, imo, includes most bakery), fruits (citrus) and butter are all no-no's....what's left?

Distilled Water.

I have to stay away from that thread. I can't fully focus on it in between the 1,000 other things I am doing right now and well... Yeah...

 

[Seanchai]

wow.....exactly what r some people vaping?

I'm 6 pgs. in, now.
Apparently, cinnamon (which, imo, includes most bakery), fruits (citrus) and butter are all no-no's....what's left?

Booze flavors. Which may explain a lot.

 

[Khala]

wow.....exactly what r some people vaping?

I'm 6 pgs. in, now.
Apparently, cinnamon (which, imo, includes most bakery), fruits (citrus) and butter are all no-no's....what's left?

Don't forget... tobacco flavors might tempt you back to the dark side. Or contain traces of actual tobacco. /snark

 

[Ms.Kitty]

Distilled Water.

I have to stay away from that thread. I can't fully focus on it in between the 1,000 other things I am doing right now and well... Yeah...

I just today decided to have a peek at it....bottom line, I'm gonna do (vape) what I want to, anyway.
The only reason I looked at all is because MBV is center stage.
I find some of the bickering rather comical.....

Booze flavors. Which may explain a lot.

 

[paleodian]

Okay, MBV brain trust - assuming Pumpkin Spice restocks, I'm still going with MBV for my order this month... but I need something to replace Sticky Bun. What else has the same level of sweetness, at least? Maple Pecan? Butterscotch? Something else? Both of those have been on my "to try" list, but I was planning on getting a giant bottle of Sticky Bun and 15 ml bottles of those to sample as funds allowed. Gotta change tack now, so I place myself in your hands.

Butterscotch is sweet and awesome! Kinda reminds me of Werthers candy and mixes well with Peanut Butter(just sayin').....Strawberry Shortcake is really good and a buttery, bakery type like sticky bun if you haven't tried it...the maple pecan...not so sure about...I don't think it's that sweet but ymmv...

 

[Seanchai]

Anyone avoiding That Other Thread should take the time to read this (not a link to that thread). Dr Farsalinos outlines everything I was trying to say last night (and a week or so ago), very clearly, in layman's language, and in much greater detail.

 

[Ms.Kitty]

Butterscotch is sweet and awesome! Kinda reminds me of Werthers candy and mixes well with Peanut Butter(just sayin').....Strawberry Shortcake is really good and a buttery, bakery type like sticky bun if you haven't tried it...the maple pecan...not so sure about...I don't think it's that sweet but ymmv...

butterscotch n pb?..hmmm...I need to start keeping a notepad handy for all these good ideas!

And no....I haven't tried the lime n coconut, yet! ;-)

 

[Joie]

Seanchai.....I have quite a bit of butterscotch at 80/20 6mg, might still have some 12mg that I can send ya some to try. Let me know.

 

[Joie]

Oh geez there is that dang song again....Lime in da coconut !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[kelli]

I just today decided to have a peek at it....bottom line, I'm gonna do (vape) what I want to, anyway.
The only reason I looked at all is because MBV is center stage.
I find some of the bickering rather comical.....

that would probably be me.

 

[Orb Skewer]

I wish scientists would make up their e-F'ing minds
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mercola/cinnamon-diabetes-_b_839487.html

But seriously, Dr Farsalinos-he da main !

 

[Criticalmass]

Anyone avoiding That Other Thread should take the time to read this (not a link to that thread). Dr Farsalinos outlines everything I was trying to say last night (and a week or so ago), very clearly, in layman's language, and in much greater detail.

Interestingly however, IF SOMEONE READS THE PAPER, he will find that the researchers never used any e-cigarette. Moreover, they never produced vapor! They tested the liquids in liquid form, not in vapor. How can you support that the results have implications for e-cigarette users when no e-cigarette was used and no vapor was produced? However, there is a bigger mistake. The authors mentioned that they tested 8 refill liquids with cinnamon flavor. They mention the names of the liquids and the companies they got them from. After personally searching on the internet and communicating with some companies, I found out that 4 of the samples were concentrated flavors, not refills. The authors themselves found cinnamaldehyde (the substance giving the cinnamon flavor in the liquid) at levels that differed between samples by up to 100 times. This confirms what I found: some of their samples were concentrated flavors.

Yeah... So why is MBV stressing everyone over this? I really don't quite follow how they handled this. This makes the entire e-cig industry look bad when you are so unsure of your own product that you take it down after one flawed study is produced.

 

[kelli]

I wish scientists would make up their e-F'ing minds
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mercola/cinnamon-diabetes-_b_839487.html

But seriously, Dr Farsalinos-he da main !

i think it's difficult to find "independent" studies on anything anymore. the results will be skewed toward whoever paid for it. or maybe i am just jaded and cynical.

 

[kelli]

Yeah... So why is MBV stressing everyone over this? I really don't quite follow how they handled this. This makes the entire e-cig industry look bad when you are so unsure of your own product that you take it down after one flawed study is produced.

that was my point too. they caved way too soon.

 

[u4ia]

So happy now, my Extreme Ice came in today, vaping it in a carto tank, pure bliss

By the way, the 50ml bottle looks rather small, doesn't it

 

[Joie]

Some people get ahold of some info and just can't stop running it up the flag pole....some of those comments are ridiculous.
Makes me as mad when I get asked..."so you quit smoking, now when are you gonna quit that silly stuff? " Grrrrrr

 

[Seanchai]

I wish scientists would make up their e-F'ing minds
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mercola/cinnamon-diabetes-_b_839487.html

But seriously, Dr Farsalinos-he da main !

Well, all science involves intelligent guess and check. That's why I wish *studies* were a little less accessible in this day and age. Reporting every single study with a big screaming headline just confuses everyone and makes it look like scientists don't know what they're doing. Sometimes that's true (as Dr. Farsalinos' analysis of the study that has everyone panicking proves), but studies fail or produce "what the ?!" results ALL. THE. TIME. Because that's how science works. Who ever thought we'd get antibiotics out of moldy bread, or lifesaving pancreatic enzymes from pigs, or aspirin from trees?

Somebody has to have the first crazy idea, and sometimes they work. Most of the time, they don't. It used to be that the average layman never saw a study until it had been published, peer-reviewed, replicated many times, and then translated from medicalese to layman - often *by the scientists who did the study* - for the newspapers. Nowadays, any Joe with an internet connection can google up a paper that hasn't even been published yet... and, confronted by a ton of scary looking words, they panic. If that Joe happens to have a blog, let alone work in the media, look out... except throughout the whole process from googling to publishing a blog post/article/tv segment, there's no one there anymore to say, "Wait. Stop. This is just an experiment, it doesn't mean anything significant yet. Calm down."

I miss the days when I was a wee little medgeek and I had to go to the library to trawl JAMA and Chest and all the other journals, decoding all the abstracts and pondering what they might mean on the way home. What they *might* mean, of course, because most of them sank without a trace within a few years... just another exciting idea that didn't work in the long run. But what exciting ideas they are on a Saturday afternoon, back when you had to *want* to know and didn't have erroneous 40pt headlines blaring at you every day.