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sean, don't know how often you stay in hotels but they are a joke when it comes to the ADA. one of my gf's who is in a chair went with me on a trip one time and what the hotels think of as accessible is laughable. in one room, the bed was so high i could barely climb onto it. about the only thing they do right is make the doorways wider. it is obvious that an able bodied person designed these rooms. if a person who uses a chair had, they would be totally different. i also found that most "accessible" public restrooms are anything but also.

Oh yes, I'm aware. :)

Here's a *funny* ADA hotel story for you. A friend of mine has CP, is about 15 years older than me and is a published author, married with kids. He was on a book tour for his latest series, one of the kinds of tours where the publisher wants you to tour but doesn't want to put out much money for said tour - so they were covering just gas and hotel.

So he's in his van with the wife, the kids, the service dog, etc, and they decide to stop for the night. Johnnie figures it'll take him a little while to get his chair back out of the van, so he sends his wife and kids ahead to book the room while he gets the chair and the service dog out. When he and the dog get inside, he finds his wife arguing with the desk clerk, and his wife gestures at Johnnie and says, "Fine, tell *him* that - but I don't think you'll get the reaction you're looking for."

Johnnie rolls up and says, "Evening, what's the problem?"

The clerk is now joined by the manager, who says: "Sir, we're *happy* to accommodate you."

Johnnie: "Mm-hm, but what?"

Manager: "But your wife asked for an accessible room with two beds."

Johnnie: "Right... she and I in one bed, the two kids in the other. The dog doesn't need a bed, he's a dog. Why?"

Manager: "We can't do that."

Johnnie: "Because?"

Manager: "Well sir, there's only one bed in there."

Johnnie: "In where?"

Manager: "In... you know... the accessible room."

Johnnie: "In your one accessible room."

Manager: "Yes sir."

Johnnie: "This is neither here nor there, but just for the record, how many rooms in this hotel?"

Manager: "About 150."

Johnnie: "Of which one is accessible? I'm just saying, what if some crip got here ahead of me and there was no room at the inn?"

Manager: "Yes sir, I see your point."

Johnnie: "It's late and I'm tired, we'll take what you've got."

Manager: "It's only got one bed."

Johnnie: "You can't put another bed in there?"

Manager: "I've never had to do that before."

Johnnie: "Oh, so you don't know if they'll fit. That's okay, we'll wait. I really don't want to get back in the car, man. Go see if you can squeeze two beds in there. If not, we'll figure something else out."

Manager: "No, they'll fit, but we've never *done* that before."

Johnnie: "Well... go do it now, please. I really appreciate it. Here's a tip for your extra trouble."

Manager: "I don't know if we can *do* what you're asking."

Johnnie: "Are the beds nailed down?"

Manager: "No, we can move the beds... it's just... well...."

Johnnie: "I don't understand what the problem is, sir."

Manager: "Well, I mean, people like you don't usually have *families.*"

Johnnie: "Okay. That's it. It's one in the morning and I'm done with this. Listen, you inbred :censored:: First of all, I've known a lot of disabled people in my life, and every single one of them has had some kind of a family. What do you think we are, bred in a lab?! Secondly, I would like a bed for myself and my wife, and a bed for my kids, and somewhere for my service dog to lie down. Accessible toilet preferable but at this point optional. Two beds, floor, possible access to plumbing. Can you do that in any possible way?"

.... they moved another bed into the accessible room. At long last.

But yeah, that's pretty standard fare. I love traveling and hate hotels. Airports aren't much better. I laughed my :censored: off when everyone started whining about patdowns. Welcome to flying as a wheelchair user, folks, they've been doing that to us for thirty years and nobody cared till *your* family was affected...
 
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Oh yes, I'm aware. :)

Here's a *funny* ADA hotel story for you. A friend of mine has CP, is about 15 years older than me and is a published author, married with kids. He was on a book tour for his latest series, one of the kinds of tours where the publisher wants you to tour but doesn't want to put out much money for said tour - so they were covering just gas and hotel.

So he's in his van with the wife, the kids, the service dog, etc, and they decide to stop for the night. Johnnie figures it'll take him a little while to get his chair back out of the van, so he sends his wife and kids ahead to book the room while he gets the chair and the service dog out. When he and the dog get inside, he finds his wife arguing with the desk clerk, and his wife gestures at Johnnie and says, "Fine, tell *him* that - but I don't think you'll get the reaction you're looking for."

Johnnie rolls up and says, "Evening, what's the problem?"

The clerk is now joined by the manager, who says: "Sir, we're *happy* to accommodate you."

Johnnie: "Mm-hm, but what?"

Manager: "But your wife asked for an accessible room with two beds."

Johnnie: "Right... she and I in one bed, the two kids in the other. The dog doesn't need a bed, he's a dog. Why?"

Manager: "We can't do that."

Johnnie: "Because?"

Manager: "Well sir, there's only one bed in there."

Johnnie: "In where?"

Manager: "In... you know... the accessible room."

Johnnie: "In your one accessible room."

Manager: "Yes sir."

Johnnie: "This is neither here nor there, but just for the record, how many rooms in this hotel?"

Manager: "About 150."

Johnnie: "Of which one is accessible? I'm just saying, what if some crip got here ahead of me and there was no room at the inn?"

Manager: "Yes sir, I see your point."

Johnnie: "It's late and I'm tired, we'll take what you've got."

Manager: "It's only got one bed."

Johnnie: "You can't put another bed in there?"

Manager: "I've never had to do that before."

Johnnie: "Oh, so you don't know if they'll fit. That's okay, we'll wait. I really don't want to get back in the car, man. Go see if you can squeeze two beds in there. If not, we'll figure something else out."

Manager: "No, they'll fit, but we've never *done* that before."

Johnnie: "Well... go do it now, please. I really appreciate it. Here's a tip for your extra trouble."

Manager: "I don't know if we can *do* what you're asking."

Johnnie: "Are the beds nailed down?"

Manager: "No, we can move the beds... it's just... well...."

Johnnie: "I don't understand what the problem is, sir."

Manager: "Well, I mean, people like you don't usually have *families.*"

Johnnie: "Okay. That's it. It's one in the morning and I'm done with this. Listen, you inbred :censored:: First of all, I've known a lot of disabled people in my life, and every single one of them has had some kind of a family. What do you think we are, bred in a lab?! Secondly, I would like a bed for myself and my wife, and a bed for my kids, and somewhere for my service dog to lie down. Accessible toilet preferable but at this point optional. Two beds, floor, possible access to plumbing. Can you do that in any possible way?"

.... they moved another bed into the accessible room. At long last.

But yeah, that's pretty standard fare. I love traveling and hate hotels. Airports aren't much better. I laughed my :censored: off when everyone started whining about patdowns. Welcome to flying as a wheelchair user, folks, they've been doing that to us for thirty years and nobody cared till *your* family was affected...


Amazing. Thanks for sharing.
A few years ago I traveled to Vegas by myself - had made reservations at a strip
motel months in advance. When I got there they said they had to put me in a handicapped
room, and there was a reason which I don't remember. Okay fine. Went to take a shower
and couldn't get the shower to turn on, then handle thingy was broken. Called maintenance.
Oh before that the door wouldn't lock when you closed it. That was a call to security.
Later I came back to my room and heard water running - thought someone next door was
taking a shower at 3am. Went to the restroom and there was HOT water pooled around the
toilet. Hubby is a plumber/electrician so I know a bit - traced it back to something broken
under the sink. HOT water side. A 3am maintenance call. By the time they got there the
water was cleaned up (with their good towels), the water to the sink was shut off, and I told
them what the problem was.
Now I'm asking myself, is this how they take care of disabled customers? Most wouldn't have
been able to do some of the things I did (getting under the sink and shutting stuff off), simply
because they wouldn't have known how (disabled or not, you'd be surprised at the people
I encounter often who don't know how to shut water off to the toilet, etc.). And they very
easily could have been burned. I was not impressed. The other people in my group were in
non handicapped rooms and they were in better shape than my room.
 

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Ha! Reminds me of my spoose! He's a civilian engineer for the gubment....as we like to call it.....and a union officer. He's a completely brilliant physics and math geek. He's worked for the gubment for over 30 years, but he has long hair, is an ole hippie at heart, a rebel whom you do not want to betray unless you want to encounter the "evil genius", and the kindest and most self confident person I know. For 20 years while he worked for Uncle Sam in the daytime, hobb knobbing with generals at the Pentagon and various other, to steal from one of my favorite movies, 'inglorious .......s' , in a suit and tie with the best of them, nights and week ends he was an auto mechanic at a local gas station, hobb knobbing with some of NJ's worst neighborhood's street people. He had a young family and did this to finish putting himself through Drexel to get that degree in mechanical engineering and to save for the dream of a future home down the shore, which he accomplished. Suit during the day, grease monkey nights and week ends. He's your perfect good guy who would give you the shirt off his back, with a healthy dose of bad boy who will never forget if you do him wrong! Took me a lot of years to realize that a blend of the two was just what I needed....almost too many years....but I did get him after he was well trained. Now....how did that little tangent happen??? :blink:

Lol. Yep. Once upon a time I was the bad boy. I was the geekiest non-geek there was and had two totally different groups of friends I juggled back and forth all through Jr high and high school. :) now that I think about it though, I was a bad boy geek too..

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Now I'm asking myself, is this how they take care of disabled customers? Most wouldn't have
been able to do some of the things I did (getting under the sink and shutting stuff off), simply
because they wouldn't have known how (disabled or not, you'd be surprised at the people
I encounter often who don't know how to shut water off to the toilet, etc.). And they very
easily could have been burned. I was not impressed. The other people in my group were in
non handicapped rooms and they were in better shape than my room.

In a word? Yes. Very rarely have I stayed in an accessible room that wasn't a wreck. Broken faucet, broken toilet, grab bar in the bathroom broken (thereby defeating the purpose of the grab bar), door latches broken, bed sheets filthy (visibly stained and quite obviously not washed in some time)... that's not counting the issues kelli was talking about, like "oh, let me get my pole vaulting bar so I can reach the bed". And not just hole in the wall hotel/motels, either, I've seen the exact same thing in good sized chains and in quite ritzy places. I think the entire staff look at those rooms as a writeoff... "oh, we *have* to have these but no one will ever actually stay in there" kind of thing, so they let it descend into a shambles.

I must say that it doesn't help that some ablebodied people -mostly young ablebodied people, teens and twenties - think accessible things are a novelty put there for their entertainment. I don't use the accessible bathroom stall if I can help it - where one exists, it's almost always broken and/or flooded and/or disgusting. I've heard innumerable people talk about how awesome it is to make out in an accessible stall, have a quickie in an accessible stall, take a nap in an accessible stall, recover from a hangover in an accessible stall ("I left a big mess but it was just in the big stall so its okay, LOL"), troop a clown car's worth of kids into an accessible stall, etc etc.

When someone asks me what I think, which is seldom, I tell them what my mother told us - "the accessible stall is for anyone who needs it, not just disabled people. That being said, you need to keep in mind that while you're in there, someone else might come in who can't stand at all, so the only way they can go to the bathroom is that stall. Accordingly, don't cut in line ahead of a disabled person to land the accessible stall, don't screw around, don't leave a mess, and don't camp out."

Pretty simple stuff, really, but you'd be amazed how many people can't manage it.
 

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Uno mas....when is your cruise I forgot? we don't go till march! but by then I will be MORE than ready !!!!
What cruise line and what ship?

Comin' up in the next couple weeks :D

Carnival Magic - 2 year old ship :)

Really-really-really lookin' forward to gettin' away...
 

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The 1st Spinfuel review covers most of the simple fruits - Mt Baker Vapor e Juice Review #1

Sweet fruit? Strawberry. Blueberry. The Banana is a candy flavor and I love it.
Wild Cherry goes great with Cheesecake in separate tanks.
Teaberry tastes like pink Necco wafers :)

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teaberry rocks.. been vaping that for a while ;)

the cherry flavors are intriguing.. but there are several of them - black, wild. maraschino.. and some mixes with them.. fake cherry flavor reminds me of coal tar - which I think is used to create imitation flavor so if there's a real tasting cherry that's sweet.. maybe that one..

y'all just make the fruit flavors sound so good..
I've tried blueberry from another vendor.. was underwhelmed, and lemoncello from one last year.. really not impressed (being nice on that one) and there was a flavor called Japanese plum from yet another back when I was still vendor surfing that was vile - like dirty sweat socks would have been a better vape

I have mvb banana and johnny chimpo... preferring the latter so I guess I just want to give something else fruity a shot.. bakery and sweet are my things but I don't think PUD is one I want to try.. don't even like that as a dessert.
 

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Comin' up in the next couple weeks :D

Carnival Magic - 2 year old ship :)

Really-really-really lookin' forward to gettin' away...

nice....we did the Dream last November....I think they are sister ships, you will like her. We are doing the Freedom in March, only because we wanted to do Key West and Jamaica. lots of people don't like Jamaica ...we love it there.
Last year we also did the miracle to southern cuz I wanted to see Aruba.....didn't like it...go figure. Oh well....this will be # 9 on carnival and still like it better than the others we have tried....some people give them a bad rap....but can't beat the price. 4 of us this year in a balcony cabin on deck 10 for less than 2100.00....cheap for all you get.
 

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I work in an office, it's not HUGE but there's about 75 people on my floor, sharing one set of bathrooms. The women's room has four regular sized stalls and one accessible. Currently, there is nobody on our floor who seemingly has a legitimate need for the larger stall. A few years ago, there was a woman who used crutches, she was a bit older, got around well but a little slower, understandably. Now we have an awful lot of people at work who just USE the accessible stall, for no apparent reason, even when all four other stalls are open. I won't, I don't need to. A few use it because they're so fat I'm guessing they don't fit in the regular ones. Well one day I walk in the bathroom and find the lady with the crutches waiting. There were regular sized stalls open (I've only seen all stalls full a handful of times in my seven years in this office) and of course out walks this very fat girl from the accessible stall.

I was so annoyed. How I would have loved to be able to say something.
 

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Ha! Reminds me of my spoose! He's a civilian engineer for the gubment....as we like to call it.....and a union officer. He's a completely brilliant physics and math geek. He's worked for the gubment for over 30 years, but he has long hair, is an ole hippie at heart, a rebel whom you do not want to betray unless you want to encounter the "evil genius", and the kindest and most self confident person I know. For 20 years while he worked for Uncle Sam in the daytime, hobb knobbing with generals at the Pentagon and various other, to steal from one of my favorite movies, 'inglorious .......s' , in a suit and tie with the best of them, nights and week ends he was an auto mechanic at a local gas station, hobb knobbing with some of NJ's worst neighborhood's street people. He had a young family and did this to finish putting himself through Drexel to get that degree in mechanical engineering and to save for the dream of a future home down the shore, which he accomplished. Suit during the day, grease monkey nights and week ends. He's your perfect good guy who would give you the shirt off his back, with a healthy dose of bad boy who will never forget if you do him wrong! Took me a lot of years to realize that a blend of the two was just what I needed....almost too many years....but I did get him after he was well trained. Now....how did that little tangent happen??? :blink:

That is pretty awesome. Sounds like a great choice you made to me. :D

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In a word? Yes. Very rarely have I stayed in an accessible room that wasn't a wreck. Broken faucet, broken toilet, grab bar in the bathroom broken (thereby defeating the purpose of the grab bar), door latches broken, bed sheets filthy (visibly stained and quite obviously not washed in some time)... that's not counting the issues kelli was talking about, like "oh, let me get my pole vaulting bar so I can reach the bed". And not just hole in the wall hotel/motels, either, I've seen the exact same thing in good sized chains and in quite ritzy places. I think the entire staff look at those rooms as a writeoff... "oh, we *have* to have these but no one will ever actually stay in there" kind of thing, so they let it descend into a shambles.

I must say that it doesn't help that some ablebodied people -mostly young ablebodied people, teens and twenties - think accessible things are a novelty put there for their entertainment. I don't use the accessible bathroom stall if I can help it - where one exists, it's almost always broken and/or flooded and/or disgusting. I've heard innumerable people talk about how awesome it is to make out in an accessible stall, have a quickie in an accessible stall, take a nap in an accessible stall, recover from a hangover in an accessible stall ("I left a big mess but it was just in the big stall so its okay, LOL"), troop a clown car's worth of kids into an accessible stall, etc etc.

When someone asks me what I think, which is seldom, I tell them what my mother told us - "the accessible stall is for anyone who needs it, not just disabled people. That being said, you need to keep in mind that while you're in there, someone else might come in who can't stand at all, so the only way they can go to the bathroom is that stall. Accordingly, don't cut in line ahead of a disabled person to land the accessible stall, don't screw around, don't leave a mess, and don't camp out."

Pretty simple stuff, really, but you'd be amazed how many people can't manage it.

I've been in a couple motels like that. Nowadays I stick to best western and holiday inn. Back in the 80's it was motel 6 but they went down the toilet.

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I work in an office, it's not HUGE but there's about 75 people on my floor, sharing one set of bathrooms. The women's room has four regular sized stalls and one accessible. Currently, there is nobody on our floor who seemingly has a legitimate need for the larger stall. A few years ago, there was a woman who used crutches, she was a bit older, got around well but a little slower, understandably. Now we have an awful lot of people at work who just USE the accessible stall, for no apparent reason, even when all four other stalls are open. I won't, I don't need to. A few use it because they're so fat I'm guessing they don't fit in the regular ones. Well one day I walk in the bathroom and find the lady with the crutches waiting. There were regular sized stalls open (I've only seen all stalls full a handful of times in my seven years in this office) and of course out walks this very fat girl from the accessible stall.

I was so annoyed. How I would have loved to be able to say something.

I'm not one to say something and cause an outburst....but a DIRTY look and a grunt sometimes gets the point across.
 

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I work in an office, it's not HUGE but there's about 75 people on my floor, sharing one set of bathrooms. The women's room has four regular sized stalls and one accessible. Currently, there is nobody on our floor who seemingly has a legitimate need for the larger stall. A few years ago, there was a woman who used crutches, she was a bit older, got around well but a little slower, understandably. Now we have an awful lot of people at work who just USE the accessible stall, for no apparent reason, even when all four other stalls are open. I won't, I don't need to. A few use it because they're so fat I'm guessing they don't fit in the regular ones. Well one day I walk in the bathroom and find the lady with the crutches waiting. There were regular sized stalls open (I've only seen all stalls full a handful of times in my seven years in this office) and of course out walks this very fat girl from the accessible stall.

I was so annoyed. How I would have loved to be able to say something.

A significant *look* usually does the trick. ;) I don't mind ablebodied folks using the accessible stalls - in most cases it's unnecessary and perhaps a little rude if there are other stalls available, but I try to remember that not all disabilities are as visible as mine - someone might well have a bad back, or in the case of a stall, even just something like claustrophobia, and prefer the accessible stall for a "legitimate" reason that I can't see and that's none of my business. And, hey, as narrow as some of those stalls are, I don't blame fat folks for preferring the stall with decent room to move, either.

I *do* mind when people treat the only stall ~40 million (plus or minus) Americans can use as their personal boudoir while I'm trying not to wet myself. ;) It's a toilet for god's sake, do your business and get out so I can do mine. If you want to adjust yourself or primp or play games on your phone or contemplate the meaning of life, pick a regular stall. Better yet, do that stuff in front of the mirror or at home, respectively.
 

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Hooooly shinola, you guys are a chatty lot this afternoon, went birthday shopping with all 3 under 10 yr olds for my wife's bday, and of course the grey cup is on, so it has taken me some time to get caught up. My best friends little brother is in the halftime show band so I can't miss that, good to hear all the support for our newer recruit Sean, stay strong bud we all want nothing but good things to come your way.
 
I guess this would be the thread to ask this .

I recently purchased 3 juices from MBV ( thug juice , hawk sauce and extreme ice ) . I tried them when I first got them and wow I felt like i was vaping perfume except for the ice . After more than a week of steeping they still taste horrible ! Nothing but a perfume chemical taste anyone else had this same problem ? I'm using a zmax mini with a pro tank 2 .

Edit: The extreme ice tastes fine the other two are the problem .
 

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I guess this would be the thread to ask this .

I recently purchased 3 juices from MBV ( thug juice , hawk sauce and extreme ice ) . I tried them when I first got them and wow I felt like i was vaping perfume except for the ice . After more than a week of steeping they still taste horrible ! Nothing but a perfume chemical taste anyone else had this same problem ? I'm using a zmax mini with a pro tank 2 .

Edit: The extreme ice tastes fine the other two are the problem .

I usually leave the caps off for the first 48 hours, shaking 2x a day. I kinda also squeeze a little to get
air in. Then after 48 hours put caps back on, shake daily, cool dark place, check weekly.
 
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