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[Seanchai]

I guess this would be the thread to ask this .

I recently purchased 3 juices from MBV ( thug juice , hawk sauce and extreme ice ) . I tried them when I first got them and wow I felt like i was vaping perfume except for the ice . After more than a week of steeping they still taste horrible ! Nothing but a perfume chemical taste anyone else had this same problem ? I'm using a zmax mini with a pro tank 2 .

Edit: The extreme ice tastes fine the other two are the problem .

MBV juices are made fresh, so they often need more steeping time than other brands. The three you mention are juices that generally are okay with a shorter steep, but everyone's tastebuds are different.

I'd put the thug juice and hawk sauce away for another week and see what you think then.

 

[mcol]

A significant *look* usually does the trick. I don't mind ablebodied folks using the accessible stalls - in most cases it's unnecessary and perhaps a little rude if there are other stalls available, but I try to remember that not all disabilities are as visible as mine - someone might well have a bad back, or in the case of a stall, even just something like claustrophobia, and prefer the accessible stall for a "legitimate" reason that I can't see and that's none of my business. And, hey, as narrow as some of those stalls are, I don't blame fat folks for preferring the stall with decent room to move, either.

I *do* mind when people treat the only stall ~40 million (plus or minus) Americans can use as their personal boudoir while I'm trying not to wet myself. It's a toilet for god's sake, do your business and get out so I can do mine. If you want to adjust yourself or primp or play games on your phone or contemplate the meaning of life, pick a regular stall. Better yet, do that stuff in front of the mirror or at home, respectively.

Guilty of using an accesible stall on occasion. I'm 5'7" and was about 120 lbs. until the past
couple of months I've gained over 20. But I'm still not a big person - tall but not big. Too many
of the public places are making their regular bathroom stalls to fit 1st graders. OMG no room to
move. But before using an accessible stall I first make sure I'm the only one in the bathroom, LOL.

 

[Sambuca]

We have a saying around my house... "There's little better than having a great union, but there's nothing worse than having a union."

The biggest problem with the ADA is that it was never meant to be final legislation - even former Sen Tony Coelho and Sen. Kennedy, who wrote it, said that. It was meant to be foot-in-the-door legislation to pave the way for something more concrete, and as such, it's pretty mealy-mouthed. If I say to a business owner, "hey man, you're the only store that carries X for 50 miles, and I need X, so you need to put in a ramp," and he says "how about I just bring X to you and we conduct this transaction outside?"... technically, he can argue that's a "reasonable" accommodation. It's not reasonable to *me*, and if I took it to court, a *judge* would not find it reasonable, since there are federal funds available to put a ramp on your place of business and all I'm asking for is a ramp.... but there's the rub. At the end of the day, to get that ramp in, I'd have to have the time, energy, and money and/or representation to take it to court.

That's the gap between the text of the law and the actual day to day of being able to enforce it, and it's all down to that weasel word "reasonable." That was my school's excuse too, "hey, crawl up the stairs, there, you've been reasonably accommodated!" Of course it's not, but what was I going to do, take it to court? (Why yes, I was. Unfortunately, life intervened. Long story.) But there was certainly no way to *quickly* rebut "crawl up the stairs," and even if I had sued, if you have enough money you can just settle everything out of court... which is what that school does. I'd like to think I wouldn't have taken a settlement, but as a working class kid who just wanted to go to school for god's sake, if they'd offered me $10 mill (their going rate) to go away? God, that's enough money to make sure my sister would be okay for her whole life, buy my mom a nice house, buy my dad another Harley, pump up both of their retirement funds, go to school, and still have enough to stick plenty in *my* retirement fund. It would have been sorely, sorely tempting to say the least.

And that's why the ADA is a broken law, and it was broken from the moment it was written. If a business doesn't feel like complying, or doesn't understand the spirit of the law, there are zero consequences a disabled person *happens* to notice and then *happens* to have the resources (not just money, but time and energy, which are at much higher premiums for most of us) to sue. No one's doublechecking for compliance, explaining why compliance is important, or reminding businesses that compliance benefits them financially. After all, if I can get in, I can spend money, but that ramp isn't *mine* - if I can get in, so can the mom with the stroller, the employee who broke his ankle, and the rich old guy whose knees aren't quite up to stairs anymore.

Indeed. I'm glad you can see it. I spend so much time arguing with people who can't see that (in the process of trying to fix it) that sometimes I start to wonder if I'm the one who's crazy.


No worries, I didn't take it as a rant, and I appreciate the ego boost and the moral support. It's always a good thing to have more people in your corner.

So yeah, it's on schedule. Are you?

i would say, "a crappy union is better than no union at all. getting one is harder than fixing one!"

we're not talking about "ramps" or ANYTHING that requires an expenditure of funds from the schools. think of it in it's equivalent of workplace "light duty". it IS REQUIRED that if something reasonable be done, that it be done. there is no cost, therefore, at the very least, it is NOT unreasonable. point for students.

by not allowing a lighter course load, the schools are, as a matter of record/fact, pacing an additional burden on students so challenged. they are required to spend a longer time in school. this is a burden. this is a special burden for such handicapped students, thus it is also discriminatory. point for students.

there is also the additional cost of those school years. point for students.

that's two separate strikes on the current process. the schools can fix this excessive burden with a couple of punches on a computer. therefore, what is a more "reasonable accommodation"? the one that is free (in students favor), or the other has not only an additional burden on the student, but additional costs as well.

one free. one expensive. (not forgetting that the student is still going to be on ssi/ssdi for a longer period. fourth point for students)

ergo, which is reasonable?

this could also be address as a budgetary issue. stupidity and discrimination is simply more costly in this venue.

non-handicapped folks should be able to understand this. there's fewer scholarship money to go around and the deficit is being increase all because schools WANT to discriminate. hello, McFly. anybody home? knowwhatimean?

the community, not just a handicapped community, should be involved. why not, you KNOW a way to save money.

and the only truly crazy people, are those that think they are sane!

Thanks kelli, Uno helped me figure it out. And what a pretty pic today!

+1

 

[DustyZ]

I guess this would be the thread to ask this .

I recently purchased 3 juices from MBV ( thug juice , hawk sauce and extreme ice ) . I tried them when I first got them and wow I felt like i was vaping perfume except for the ice . After more than a week of steeping they still taste horrible ! Nothing but a perfume chemical taste anyone else had this same problem ? I'm using a zmax mini with a pro tank 2 .

Edit: The extreme ice tastes fine the other two are the problem .

Try removing the caps for a night and make sure to shake them each day, as these juices are made to order it can take a bit of aging for them to blend together and get rid of the per-fumy smell. Thug Juice and Hawk Sauce really shouldn't require that long of an aging time, what was your PG/VG ratio? The more VG the long the aging process.

 

[Uno mas]

nice....we did the Dream last November....I think they are sister ships, you will like her. We are doing the Freedom in March, only because we wanted to do Key West and Jamaica. lots of people don't like Jamaica ...we love it there.
Last year we also did the miracle to southern cuz I wanted to see Aruba.....didn't like it...go figure. Oh well....this will be # 9 on carnival and still like it better than the others we have tried....some people give them a bad rap....but can't beat the price. 4 of us this year in a balcony cabin on deck 10 for less than 2100.00....cheap for all you get.

Nice!

We have a balcony room on deck 10 (pool deck ?) this time, last year we were on the Triumph (4-day) and got a suite for our anniversary, older ship but had a great time

 

[Sambuca]

Ha! Reminds me of my spoose! He's a civilian engineer for the gubment....as we like to call it.....and a union officer. He's a completely brilliant physics and math geek. He's worked for the gubment for over 30 years, but he has long hair, is an ole hippie at heart, a rebel whom you do not want to betray unless you want to encounter the "evil genius", and the kindest and most self confident person I know. For 20 years while he worked for Uncle Sam in the daytime, hobb knobbing with generals at the Pentagon and various other, to steal from one of my favorite movies, 'inglorious .......s' , in a suit and tie with the best of them, nights and week ends he was an auto mechanic at a local gas station, hobb knobbing with some of NJ's worst neighborhood's street people. He had a young family and did this to finish putting himself through Drexel to get that degree in mechanical engineering and to save for the dream of a future home down the shore, which he accomplished. Suit during the day, grease monkey nights and week ends. He's your perfect good guy who would give you the shirt off his back, with a healthy dose of bad boy who will never forget if you do him wrong! Took me a lot of years to realize that a blend of the two was just what I needed....almost too many years....but I did get him after he was well trained. Now....how did that little tangent happen???

nowadays, it's wonderful to hear of men who went above and beyond for their family.

gentlemen like that and good teachers are in short supply in this country. our "role models" are shyte. (that's part of that whole tv thing)

kudos to your hubby!

 

[Seanchai]

Guilty of using an accesible stall on occasion. I'm 5'7" and was about 120 lbs. until the past
couple of months I've gained over 20. But I'm still not a big person - tall but not big. Too many
of the public places are making their regular bathroom stalls to fit 1st graders. OMG no room to
move. But before using an accessible stall I first make sure I'm the only one in the bathroom, LOL.

As long as you're not camping out in it, I have no problem with you using it... nor do most other disabled people I know. We're a reasonable lot.

I think most people do that - use it only if no one else is in the bathroom. I get the impulse, but it's a logical fallacy. The problem is not "what if I grab the accessible stall when someone else is already in the bathroom" - if they're already in there, they're taken care of one way or another, and in the case of a line, you're not going to bolt ahead of some visibly disabled person - especially not when there's a line to witness it! The problem, or potential problem, is "what if someone who needs the accessible stall *comes* in while I'm already in here, and therefore I'm not aware that someone is waiting for the only stall they can use?"

The solution isn't to completely avoid the accessible stall - by all means, use it. Just don't camp out, in case someone *comes* in who needs it more than you do. That's a "rule" that most disabled people follow too, by the way, so it's not just something we ask (beg) of ablebodied folks... get in, get done, get out, cause you're not the only disabled person in the entire world.

You should see what a disability convention bathroom looks like... "after you." "Nah, I can pivot transfer, you take the accessible one." "Yeah, but I don't want you to fall." "Oh for god's sake, everyone just *pick a stall* and *get done* please!"

i would say, "a crappy union is better than no union at all. getting one is harder than fixing one!"

Ain't that the truth. As for the rest, it's all very well put and an argument I've been making (almost to the word!) lo these many years. We'll get there.

 

[Joie]

Nice!

We have a balcony room on deck 10 (pool deck ?) this time, last year we were on the Triumph (4-day) and got a suite for our anniversary, older ship but had a great time

Might be Lido deck, (9)...although since there are like 4 pools....could be panarama (10) also....we sailed on the Triumph twice. we liked it....done the Conquest, triumph x2, Miracle, Sensation, Liberty x 2, Dream, Glory....next up freedom.....would like to do the Breeze, but not crazy about the schedule. ENJOY.....it's a great vacation.....have a foo-foo drink for me !

 

[Uno mas]

Might be Lido deck, (9)...although since there are like 4 pools....could be panarama (10) also....we sailed on the Triumph twice. we liked it....done the Conquest, triumph x2, Miracle, Sensation, Liberty x 2, Dream, Glory....next up freedom.....would like to do the Breeze, but not crazy about the schedule. ENJOY.....it's a great vacation.....have a foo-foo drink for me !

Had to look... deck 10 (Lido) on Magic...

I'll have a drink for all my MBV friends, that should get me pretty toasted

 

[Cheryl75]

Had to look... deck 10 (Lido) on Magic...

I'll have a drink for all my MBV friends, that should get me pretty toasted

Hehehe!!!!

 

[Uno mas]

Hehehe!!!!

And maybe 2 for you

 

[Cheryl75]

And maybe 2 for you

Enjoy every second of it!

 

[DustyZ]

As long as you're not camping out in it, I have no problem with you using it... nor do most other disabled people I know. We're a reasonable lot.

I think most people do that - use it only if no one else is in the bathroom. I get the impulse, but it's a logical fallacy. The problem is not "what if I grab the accessible stall when someone else is already in the bathroom" - if they're already in there, they're taken care of one way or another, and in the case of a line, you're not going to bolt ahead of some visibly disabled person - especially not when there's a line to witness it! The problem, or potential problem, is "what if someone who needs the accessible stall *comes* in while I'm already in here, and therefore I'm not aware that someone is waiting for the only stall they can use?"

The solution isn't to completely avoid the accessible stall - by all means, use it. Just don't camp out, in case someone *comes* in who needs it more than you do. That's a "rule" that most disabled people follow too, by the way, so it's not just something we ask (beg) of ablebodied folks... get in, get done, get out, cause you're not the only disabled person in the entire world.

You should see what a disability convention bathroom looks like... "after you." "Nah, I can pivot transfer, you take the accessible one." "Yeah, but I don't want you to fall." "Oh for god's sake, everyone just *pick a stall* and *get done* please!"



Ain't that the truth. As for the rest, it's all very well put and an argument I've been making (almost to the word!) lo these many years. We'll get there.

After seeing all the discussion about the "Accessible Stall" I can honestly state that I can count on one hand the times I have ever used one, that being twice and 1 time was due to the others being so damn nasty. I have always found myself thinking that it would the inconsiderate thing to do, regardless of the fact that there have been times when the place was totally empty, I just always kept it in mind, what if that person who needs it and I took it when others were accessible, it's just not something I was willing to do. It falls along the same vein that I have NEVER parked in a not my term but "Disabled Parking" spot. I have seen many do this and it frankly pisses me off. To me is just a matter or respect and common courtesy.

Damn, I am going to stop there as there are other situations that I have witnessed through my life that just well again piss me off and have made me just want to slap somebody with the "W.T....F.." were you thinking, oh that's right you weren't were you type of scenario.

 

[DustyZ]

Had to look... deck 10 (Lido) on Magic...

I'll have a drink for all my MBV friends, that should get me pretty toasted

Years ago my ex and I went on a cruise that was put together by the Moose Lodge, we had a bus pick us up from the lodge then take us to the port of Miami, we were pretty much buzzed by the time we got there, and then once we left port and got out past the 12 mile mark, I decided to make my way down to the Casino, never having actually played Blackjack in a casino but loving the game I got to the table and didn't leave it until we got to Paradise Island, I was having such a great time as I kept actually winning, well I had to be pried away from there to go on land, had a great time, we were on the 3 day cruise that time, on the way back, Yup right back to the casino for entire trip back and kept winning there as well, I had gotten lucky enough that it paid for the entire trip and a bunch of stuff from the Duty Free Shop and had enough left over to take a trip immediate down for a 10 day stay in Key Largo!

Damn, I need to take another cruise!

 

[Joie]

Had to look... deck 10 (Lido) on Magic...

I'll have a drink for all my MBV friends, that should get me pretty toasted

cool.....well ya can't get lost and not find your way home anyway

 

[Joie]

Years ago my ex and I went on a cruise that was put together by the Moose Lodge, we had a bus pick us up from the lodge then take us to the port of Miami, we were pretty much buzzed by the time we got there, and then once we left port and got out past the 12 mile mark, I decided to make my way down to the Casino, never having actually played Blackjack in a casino but loving the game I got to the table and didn't leave it until we got to Paradise Island, I was having such a great time as I kept actually winning, well I had to be pried away from there to go on land, had a great time, we were on the 3 day cruise that time, on the way back, Yup right back to the casino for entire trip back and kept winning there as well, I had gotten lucky enough that it paid for the entire trip and a bunch of stuff from the Duty Free Shop and had enough left over to take a trip immediate down for a 10 day stay in Key Largo!

Damn, I need to take another cruise!

fantastic.....I usually leave the wages for a few employees there when I go.....only had one winning trip. But it's like I always say! when I go see Mickey in Orlando he doesn't give me any money either !!!!

 

[Uno mas]

Years ago my ex and I went on a cruise that was put together by the Moose Lodge, we had a bus pick us up from the lodge then take us to the port of Miami, we were pretty much buzzed by the time we got there, and then once we left port and got out past the 12 mile mark, I decided to make my way down to the Casino, never having actually played Blackjack in a casino but loving the game I got to the table and didn't leave it until we got to Paradise Island, I was having such a great time as I kept actually winning, well I had to be pried away from there to go on land, had a great time, we were on the 3 day cruise that time, on the way back, Yup right back to the casino for entire trip back and kept winning there as well, I had gotten lucky enough that it paid for the entire trip and a bunch of stuff from the Duty Free Shop and had enough left over to take a trip immediate down for a 10 day stay in Key Largo!

Damn, I need to take another cruise!

I venture very little into the casino, I'd be broke before the first port

 

[Uno mas]

cool.....well ya can't get lost and not find your way home anyway

At least for 7 days

 

[mcol]

At least for 7 days

I know you'll miss us terribly, and think about us all the time. Right?

 

[StacyInOkla]

My pet peeve is people parking in handicap parking "because it's close" or "the only parking spot left" that's not a half block walk. The only reason I'm able to walk is heavy medication. Had my first surgery at 9 and was in a body cast. Hip replacement at 20 and have to wait for the other one to get bad enough to where I can't walk on it to replace. Long distances can be difficult for me. Especially when I was in school and had 40 pound backpack. Even then I try to be respectful of others and not park in van accessible spaces.
If course I've been on the other end too. People look at me and think I'm borrowing grandmas placard (actually had someone say that to me) I'm able to do my job cause I can set my own pace and have come up with ways to compensate for what I can't do.
I feel that being made the way I was has given me a unique way to look at things and to find solutions other people never would have thought of cause that's what I've been doing all my life.