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I got a sample from a local store in cotton candy flavor(very weak, sort of sweet) which was supposed to have 6mg nic in it. Got a decent throat hit from it, but couldn't vape more than the equivalent of 3/4 of an analog before getting nic overdose symptoms (dizzy/queezy).
I'm pretty sure it was a 80/20 PG/VG mix....had to cut it with 0mg nic (same flavor) so I could at least finish the sample of it eventually.

Got me a little worried, because I ordered from MBV in the same strength, but 70/30 VG/H2O....

Now here's why I'm confused: I get, like, *no* throat hit from the MBV and I can go through 2 analog equivalent (drag wise) before getting a little bit dizzy/queezy (I was vaping Cinnamon Roll....it's tha bomb....don't judge).

I'm thinking the sample I got was mislabled....comparing to MBV it's like 2, 3 times as strong.....

Any thoughts?
 

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I'm confused.....

I got a sample from a local store in cotton candy flavor(very weak, sort of sweet) which was supposed to have 6mg nic in it. Got a decent throat hit from it, but couldn't vape more than the equivalent of 3/4 of an analog before getting nic overdose symptoms (dizzy/queezy).
I'm pretty sure it was a 80/20 PG/VG mix....had to cut it with 0mg nic (same flavor) so I could at least finish the sample of it eventually.

Got me a little worried, because I ordered from MBV in the same strength, but 70/30 VG/H2O....

Now here's why I'm confused: I get, like, *no* throat hit from the MBV and I can go through 2 analog equivalent (drag wise) before getting a little bit dizzy/queezy (I was vaping Cinnamon Roll....it's tha bomb....don't judge).

I'm thinking the sample I got was mislabled....comparing to MBV it's like 2, 3 times as strong.....

Any thoughts?

Lack of throat hit is due to the lack of PG - generally, less PG = less throat hit, although nic level also plays a role.

*I* think - and let me be clear, I have no proof of this whatsoever, this is just me spitballing - but I think *absorption rate* of the nic can vary from vendor to vendor depending on their nic base and what else they use in their mix. I usually vape 18 or 12 during the day (more 18 than 12) and drop to 12-6 at night... but the 18mg juices I got from one particular vendor just about blew me out of my shoes. I have every reason to trust this vendor - that is to say, I don't think the nic level is wrong, and I'd bet if I tested this vendor's juice and MBV's juice, they'd come out the same, and correct within a reasonable margin of error. The seemingly-super-strong 18mg doesn't *taste* like an error was made - I've vaped 24mg nic (briefly!) and this doesn't taste like that. It tastes like 18, it just *affects* me more than MBV 18 does. So I suspect there's some other aspect of either the mixing process or the specific composition of the nic base that can cause a difference in nic absorption (but not actual nic content) between vendors.
 

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morning Sean.

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Lack of throat hit is due to the lack of PG - generally, less PG = less throat hit, although nic level also plays a role.

*I* think - and let me be clear, I have no proof of this whatsoever, this is just me spitballing - but I think *absorption rate* of the nic can vary from vendor to vendor depending on their nic base and what else they use in their mix. I usually vape 18 or 12 during the day (more 18 than 12) and drop to 12-6 at night... but the 18mg juices I got from one particular vendor just about blew me out of my shoes. I have every reason to trust this vendor - that is to say, I don't think the nic level is wrong, and I'd bet if I tested this vendor's juice and MBV's juice, they'd come out the same, and correct within a reasonable margin of error. The seemingly-super-strong 18mg doesn't *taste* like an error was made - I've vaped 24mg nic (briefly!) and this doesn't taste like that. It tastes like 18, it just *affects* me more than MBV 18 does. So I suspect there's some other aspect of either the mixing process or the specific composition of the nic base that can cause a difference in nic absorption (but not actual nic content) between vendors.

Alright, with the throat hit I was assuming it had at least *something* to do with the PG level (of which there is none in my MBV juices ), but the nic level reaction I was unsure of.....will see when I compare it to other vendors' juices...
I'm glad though, that the MBV doesn't affect me as much, because it's some seriously good stuff.
 

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Alright, with the throat hit I was assuming it had at least *something* to do with the PG level (of which there is none in my MBV juices ), but the nic level reaction I was unsure of.....will see when I compare it to other vendors' juices...
I'm glad though, that the MBV doesn't affect me as much, because it's some seriously good stuff.

It's also possible that a mistake was made with that first juice, of course. Mislabeling does happen, and so does lack of testing, depending on what kind of vendor we're talking about (sadly, there are vendors that don't regularly test their nic levels out there; which is why I stick to buying from ECF-approved vendors). But it's also entirely possible that both of those juices were 6mg, and there was some other difference in composition that causes your body to take up the nic more or less efficiently.

I have certain juices that are similar flavors from a few different companies, from back when I was comparison shopping to see which vendor's versions of various flavors I preferred... and I can tell *immediately* which company did which flavor, not from the actual flavor but from how fast and hard the nic kicks in (with all other variables the same, i.e. same battery, same voltage, same coil, same tank). MBV is toward the more mild/gradual end of the spectrum in terms of how *my* body reacts to their nic... which is good, cause I can vape it longer. I have another vendor whose juices hit a little bit harder, but not to the extent that it affects my vaping all that much... and then a few more where I had to drop my nic level significantly in order to vape them for more than a few minutes. So there's definitely something going on there... exactly what, I don't know.
 

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Morning, all.

Accidentally topped off my tank with Cola instead of 555 this morning. (This kind of boneheaded maneuver I'm prone to is why all my main gear is pyrex/glass!) The good news - it's actually pretty good! Sort of a caramely cola flavor. There wasn't a ton of 555 left in the tank - it's not something I'd attempt to mix 50-50 or anything like that - but five or six drops worth in a tank of Cola isn't half bad.

I lost one of my T3's with that cola and haven't tried it since. I will try your " boneheaded maneuver" later today with my 555 that I didn't care for. Maybe together it will be ok in the clearo, and be something I may enjoy. Thanx :)

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On further thought.......I will try it in a carto, just to be safe.
 
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Why is it you think that sweeter flavors do better in a carto tank? So far I have found that Caramel Apple and Butternut Vanilla I can only vape in a Carto tank. With the Butternut I kept getting a burning taste in my clearomizer but I put it in a carto tank and its wonderful....go figure!
 

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I lost one of my T3's with that cola and haven't tried it since. I will try your " boneheaded maneuver" later today with my 555 that I didn't care for. Maybe together it will be ok in the clearo, and be something I may enjoy. Thanx :)

Sorry about that T3, Uncle Ralphie. I really like Cola... wasn't intending to vape it this morning but I'm not sorry it ended up in the tank. Not only is it good on its own, it seems to be good for "lightening/brightening up" other flavors a bit. If you can swing it, it might be worth replacing that T3 with a pyrex smoktech aro some time... they're the cheapest pyrex tanks I could find (about $7.50-8) and the replacement coils are cheap too. Just make sure you get a pyrex one, if you do go that route... there are non-pyrex smoktech aros out there too, so you have to read a little carefully if you're online shopping.
 

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Why is it you think that sweeter flavors do better in a carto tank? So far I have found that Caramel Apple and Butternut Vanilla I can only vape in a Carto tank. With the Butternut I kept getting a burning taste in my clearomizer but I put it in a carto tank and its wonderful....go figure!

At a guess, it may be because the juice itself is a little more insulated from the coil by the carto/filling. I switched to wrapping 3.0 coils a while ago to avoid burning my sweet juices - that works too. I still have no idea how people are wrapping 1 ohm and sub ohm coils and not burning the crap out of their juice... must not be vaping the kinds of juices I like to vape!
 

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Why is it you think that sweeter flavors do better in a carto tank? So far I have found that Caramel Apple and Butternut Vanilla I can only vape in a Carto tank. With the Butternut I kept getting a burning taste in my clearomizer but I put it in a carto tank and its wonderful....go figure!

Watts or Volts to high for the clearo ??? just a thought.
 

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At a guess, it may be because the juice itself is a little more insulated from the coil by the carto/filling. I switched to wrapping 3.0 coils a while ago to avoid burning my sweet juices - that works too. I still have no idea how people are wrapping 1 ohm and sub ohm coils and not burning the crap out of their juice... must not be vaping the kinds of juices I like to vape!

it probably has something to do with the mod as well. I know i'm vaping at 1.3-1.4 now on my reo. i had 1.8-2.2 in my protanks, and did experience some burning on certain juices.
 

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it probably has something to do with the mod as well. I know i'm vaping at 1.3-1.4 now on my reo. i had 1.8-2.2 in my protanks, and did experience some burning on certain juices.

Yeah, I suspect that dripping in all its forms means you can up the heat without burning the juice, just because there's less juice in contact with the coil (in contrast to the tank, where the whole tank's worth gets more and more caramelized as you go). I just don't see how people can wrap a 1 ohm coil, stick it in the bottom of a protank, crank the volts up to 5 or 6, and *enjoy* it... hey, if they do, they do, but I sure as heck can't get that to work with the juices I vape! :D
 

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Yeah, I suspect that dripping in all its forms means you can up the heat without burning the juice, just because there's less juice in contact with the coil (in contrast to the tank, where the whole tank's worth gets more and more caramelized as you go). I just don't see how people can wrap a 1 ohm coil, stick it in the bottom of a protank, crank the volts up to 5 or 6, and *enjoy* it... hey, if they do, they do, but I sure as heck can't get that to work with the juices I vape! :D

(i have no idea what volts/watts my reos vape at) LOL im like the worlds most ......ed reo owner.
 
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