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Hey All,

I'm looking to finally step away from pure menthol vaping (analog free since 2/13) and look for some 0 nic flovors. After looking around I have seen a lot of good remarks about Mt Baker. So my questions are this.

Steeping... How long is it worth it ect.
Flavors with 0 nic. Do they turn out well with 0 nic? I have tried a few 0 nic menthol and... just not good.

My Set Up:
SmokeTech SID with efest 2000mah high drain
Vivi Nova Fate Glass tank 1.5 ohm/Iclear 30/16 2.5 ohm

Thanks in advance!
So far all of the flavors I've ordered in 0mg nic tastes just like the nic flavors I've ordered, but that could be my palate. YMMV. I also rarely order extra shots for my juice, so that might be another difference in how my palate perceives the flavors.

Steeping does help some juices. The menthol flavors and flavors with menthol require very little steeping, IMO. Most of the other fruits require a bit, a week max, IMO. Strong single flavors, like Root Beer, don't require much steeping either (I tend to vape that straight from the mail box without any problems). The more complex flavors require at least a week's steep, and I've read that the tobaccos need at least 2 weeks to a month before they really get good.

:2c: Hope that helps.
 

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So who wants to do a trade? I'll trade my cool runnings test sample for another MBV juice. I'll definitely order this juice again, but want to give some other people a chance to try it before it goes public. I have about 12ml left, 12mg, 80/20. Only thing I ask is that you do a review on this thread. I know this isn't technically allowed so hopefully somebody jumps on it!

PM me with trades.
 

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So who wants to do a trade? I'll trade my cool runnings test sample for another MBV juice. I'll definitely order this juice again, but want to give some other people a chance to try it before it goes public. I have about 12ml left, 12mg, 80/20. Only thing I ask is that you do a review on this thread. I know this isn't technically allowed so hopefully somebody jumps on it!

PM me with trades.

Actually interesting offer, but a little high Nic for me and I'm a lousy reviewer ;)
 

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Actually interesting offer, but a little high Nic for me and I'm a lousy reviewer ;)

Don't worry I'm a lousy reviewer, too! And I just checked and there's more like 13ml left lol. For anybody that wants to trade I'll try anything over 6mg and any pg/vg you have. Also I'll accept anything 5ml and over.
 
I don't know if it's me or not. I have placed two pretty big orders from them. The first I ordered everything 20PG/80VG, two-three extra flavor shots each. Let them steep for two weeks, and they either had no taste, or tasted nothing as described. Also, a very strange chemical aftertaste. Two more weeks steeping, same thing.

Second order, I did 50/50 with three-four flavor shots. After three weeks steeping, only two out of seven bottles tastes anything like one would think they should, and there is still that chemical taste. I am waiting another week, then trying again.

While I must say that their customer service, prices and shipping times are STELLAR, I am too nervous about ordering anything else. I have found a couple other sites to buy from that I am at least ok with, and actually placed a few orders with ones I had not (but really wanted to) yet.

Not entirely directed at the OP, but ....

I think in a lot of ways, MBV shoots themselves in the foot by offering so many different "flavor level" options. Because people who aren't familiar with their juice will think "Oh! I want good, strong flavors, I'll add 3 (or more) extra shots!" then when they get it, and the flavor seems muted, they up the shots even further, which can mute the flavor even more.

My experience has been this: Out of the (easily) 40 or more MBV flavors I've tried, exactly TWO have tasted BETTER with flavor shots than without. My early experiments with flavor shots nearly ruined both Butterscotch and Amaretto for me; I've since reordered with no shots, and I'm glad I took the chance because OH GOD, they are so much better.

(For the record, I get shots with Creme de Menthe and Key Lime. That's it. And I vape mostly 50/50 at this point.)
 

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Not entirely directed at the OP, but ....

I think in a lot of ways, MBV shoots themselves in the foot by offering so many different "flavor level" options. Because people who aren't familiar with their juice will think "Oh! I want good, strong flavors, I'll add 3 (or more) extra shots!" then when they get it, and the flavor seems muted, they up the shots even further, which can mute the flavor even more.

My experience has been this: Out of the (easily) 40 or more MBV flavors I've tried, exactly TWO have tasted BETTER with flavor shots than without. My early experiments with flavor shots nearly ruined both Butterscotch and Amaretto for me; I've since reordered with no shots, and I'm glad I took the chance because OH GOD, they are so much better.

(For the record, I get shots with Creme de Menthe and Key Lime. That's it. And I vape mostly 50/50 at this point.)

That's interesting, that is pretty much what I suspected but haven't tested enough without extra shots or properly steeped to be sure what is going on. Johnny Chimpo seems fine with the extra shots to me but some of the others I think the extra flavor might be getting in its own way if that makes any sense.
 

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The thing to remember is that some humans are SUPERTASTERS: A supertaster is a person who experiences the sense of taste with far greater intensity than average. Some 35% of women and 15% of men are supertasters.

There are MEDIUM TASTERS

And finally there are NON-TASTERS.

I am a NON-TASTER and I take 5 flavor shots to be able to TASTE a juice. I'm just glad that MBV has the option and actually KNOWS about such things. I don't DARE think of myself as an AVERAGE TASTER :/ YMMV means many things and that's why people use the abbreviation LOL

History

In 1931, A.L. Fox, a DuPont chemist, discovered that some individuals found phenylthiocarbamide (PTC) to be bitter while others found it tasteless.[5][6] At the 1931 meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, Fox collaborated with Blakeslee (a geneticist) to have attendees taste PTC: 65% found it bitter, 28% found it tasteless and 6% described other taste qualities. Subsequent work revealed that the ability to taste PTC was genetic in nature. In the 1960s, Roland Fischer was the first to link the ability to taste PTC, and the related compound propylthiouracil (PROP), to food preference and body type. Today, PROP has replaced PTC in taste research due to a faint sulfurous odor and safety concerns with PTC.[citation needed] As described above, Bartoshuk and colleagues discovered that the taster group could be further divided into medium and supertasters. Most estimates suggest 25% of the population are nontasters, 50% are medium tasters, and 25% are supertasters.[7]

The bitter taste receptor gene TAS2R38 has been associated with the ability to taste PROP[8] and PTC;[9] however, it cannot completely explain the supertasting phenomenon.[10] Still, the T2R38 genotype has been linked to a preference for sweetness in children,[11] avoidance of alcohol,[8][12] increased prevalence of colon cancer (via inadequate vegetable consumption)[13] and avoidance of cigarette smoking.[14]
Identifying a supertaster

Tongue's fungiform papillae revealed with blue food dye.

Supertasters were initially identified on the basis of the perceived intensity of propylthiouracil (PROP) compared to a reference salt solution. However, because supertasters have a larger sense of taste than medium or nontasters, this can cause scaling artifacts.[6] Subsequently, salt has been replaced with a non-oral auditory standard. That is, if two individuals rate the same physical stimulus at a comparable perceptual intensity, but one gives a rating twice as large for the bitterness of a PROP solution, the experimenter can be confident the difference is real and not merely the result of how the person is using the scale.

Many studies do not include a cross-modal reference and simply categorize individuals on the basis of the bitterness of a concentrated PROP solution[15][16] or PROP impregnated paper.[17] It is also possible to make a reasonably accurate self-diagnosis at home by careful examination of the tongue and looking for the number of fungiform papillae. Blue food dye can make this easier. Being a supertaster or nontaster represents normal variation in the human population like eye or hair color, so no treatment is needed.
 
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Not entirely directed at the OP, but ....

I think in a lot of ways, MBV shoots themselves in the foot by offering so many different "flavor level" options. Because people who aren't familiar with their juice will think "Oh! I want good, strong flavors, I'll add 3 (or more) extra shots!" then when they get it, and the flavor seems muted, they up the shots even further, which can mute the flavor even more.

My experience has been this: Out of the (easily) 40 or more MBV flavors I've tried, exactly TWO have tasted BETTER with flavor shots than without. My early experiments with flavor shots nearly ruined both Butterscotch and Amaretto for me; I've since reordered with no shots, and I'm glad I took the chance because OH GOD, they are so much better.

(For the record, I get shots with Creme de Menthe and Key Lime. That's it. And I vape mostly 50/50 at this point.)

I have to agree with the flavor shots to an extent. Most of the flavors I've ordered without flavor shots are good right out of the mailbox, but the ones I've added flavor shots too need some steeping. I was that new guy who added flavor because I thought I needed it.
 

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I guess I'm trusting a juice maker to know what 5 shots will do to his juice and if it screwed it up wouldn't offer 5 shots. I believe I'm one of those nontasters.

Worst case scenario - you get 5 flavor shots and find that there is LITTLE FLAVOR... what you do is add more nicotine PG or nic VG to 'dilute' your original 5 flavor shot MBV purchase =] It's actually a WIN-WIN because 236ml PG/VG nic is $30 versus the 236ml 5 flavor shot price of around $45 :p

I don't know the exact ratio of the juice that your buying, but MBV lists their flavoring percentage right up front. They usually do 15% or 20% flavoring versus your chosen PG/VG/nic ratio. You can just take 80% of a certain VG/PG/nic ratio and dilute it =] Worst case, put it in the classies - I always watch for max flavoring LOL

I am of the opinion that people who like MBV juice fall into these categories:

SUPER-TASTER: 0 - 2 flavor shots
NORMAL TASTER; 2-3 flavor shots
NON-TASTER: 3-5 flavor shots
 
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i fear i may have faulty fungiform papillae. panicsmiley.gif
 

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I am of the opinion that people who like MBV juice fall into these categories:

SUPER-TASTER: 0 - 2 flavor shots
NORMAL TASTER; 2-3 flavor shots
NON-TASTER: 3-5 flavor shots
It seems that this theory assumes that the mixmasters creating MBV juices are super tasters, since they mix the sample flavors?
 

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i fear i may have faulty fungiform papillae. View attachment 258187

yay, your av is back to normal! well, kelli normal. :blink:

i must be in the bottom class too. DIYing @ 16% is near perfect.

getting some vg, gonna dilute all my juices to 10-12mg nic. after that, all at 0mg, excluding a tobacco flavor. i'll keep that around 10-12mg, if i feel i need a cig, i'll vape that. (it'll probably be nasty anyway :facepalm:)

3 months with no cigs, time to redress this whole thing. (way too much nic when you chain vape)

now, to just figure out re-coiling. been practicing, but gonna switch to 2mm ekowool silica wick, just cuz i'm not dextrous enuff to fuss with cotton. just gonna keep it simple.

vaping mostly ducle de leche, whipped cream and cinnamon roll. a couple more flavors and i'm set. :vapor:
 

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Sambuca I'm in the about the same place as you with the DIY flavors. You probably already know this but on the Ekowool the diameter is inside diameter so it is actually a bit thicker than regular silica wick. When I rewick my tanks with Ekowool I just use 1 regular wick for my top flavor wick instead of 2.
 

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Yay, my Mt. Baker is waiting for me at my local post office, so I'll have it this afternoon! I'm a complete newbie and I panicked a bit about the potential of running out of juice when there's two of us in one house who really really need to quit for imminent health reasons (a more detailed post about us/our situation is over here in the New Members Forum), so I went over to MBV and got a ton more juice. Really couldn't afford it but if it keeps us off analogs it'll be a financial break-even so I'm trying to feel more excited than guilty. :blush:
 
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