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[u4ia]

I was browsing Kanthal on an industrial supply webpage and had to do a double take when I browsed their product guides. They have some information on building heating elements of various kinds with their Kanthal. Kilns, appliances etc.

They also had the following to say about ribbon kanthal:


Advantages of Ribbon Wire

How does having more wire surface area affect vaping?

Produces More Vapor

Using flat ribbon Kanthal in your PVs means you will get more vapor from each draw. This is similar to why cooking stoves have flat tops: there is more contact area between the heat source and whatever is being heated.

Easier to Wind

The flat shape of the wire makes it much easier to wrap around and cover the wick.

NOTE: Because of its flat shape, sharp twists in ribbon Kanthal will cause tears, rips, warping, and other kinds of mechanical damage. Thus, if you have a rebuildable atomizer (RBA), avoid twisting your ribbon Kanthal wherever possible as you are winding your coils.

The only areas where twists are unavoidable are at positive and negative screw terminals. This is because you should have your ribbon wire flat (horizontal) against the screw head, as good electrical connections require good mechanical connections. However, this means you may have to twist the wire in order to wrap it around the wick.

Eliminates Hot Spots

The most common issue people have when winding coils on their atomizers is getting areas of uneven heating called "hot spots." Hot spots will drastically shorten the life of your coil. Uneven heating causes parts of the coil to expand and contract at different rates, which wears out the coil much more quickly compared to a coil without hot spots.

Finding hot spots after taking the time to carefully wind a coil for your atomizer can also be very frustrating, especially if you keep seeing hot spots after repeated adjustments. However, hot spots are less likely to occur with flat ribbon Kanthal.

Temco's page. They know what's up

 

[Criticalmass]

I was browsing Kanthal on an industrial supply webpage and had to do a double take when I browsed their product guides. They have some information on building heating elements of various kinds with their Kanthal. Kilns, appliances etc.

They also had the following to say about ribbon kanthal:


Advantages of Ribbon Wire

How does having more wire surface area affect vaping?

Produces More Vapor

Using flat ribbon Kanthal in your PVs means you will get more vapor from each draw. This is similar to why cooking stoves have flat tops: there is more contact area between the heat source and whatever is being heated.

Easier to Wind

The flat shape of the wire makes it much easier to wrap around and cover the wick.

NOTE: Because of its flat shape, sharp twists in ribbon Kanthal will cause tears, rips, warping, and other kinds of mechanical damage. Thus, if you have a rebuildable atomizer (RBA), avoid twisting your ribbon Kanthal wherever possible as you are winding your coils.

The only areas where twists are unavoidable are at positive and negative screw terminals. This is because you should have your ribbon wire flat (horizontal) against the screw head, as good electrical connections require good mechanical connections. However, this means you may have to twist the wire in order to wrap it around the wick.

Eliminates Hot Spots

The most common issue people have when winding coils on their atomizers is getting areas of uneven heating called "hot spots." Hot spots will drastically shorten the life of your coil. Uneven heating causes parts of the coil to expand and contract at different rates, which wears out the coil much more quickly compared to a coil without hot spots.

Finding hot spots after taking the time to carefully wind a coil for your atomizer can also be very frustrating, especially if you keep seeing hot spots after repeated adjustments. However, hot spots are less likely to occur with flat ribbon Kanthal.

Yeah, you know vapors are boosting their profits. I don't buy my kanthal from vape stores though, I get it from amazon. 8 bucks for 100 feet as opposed to 3 for 10 or 15 feet. The flat wire seems like it would be harder to work with. Have you tried it?

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[u4ia]

Yeah, you know vapors are boosting their profits. I don't buy my kanthal from vape stores though, I get it from amazon. 8 bucks for 100 feet as opposed to 3 for 10 or 15 feet. The flat wire seems like it would be harder to work with. Have you tried it?

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I've heard it's easier to work with, but I would think you couldn't do a microcoil? Riptrippers has a video for what he calls the "tinman" coil, made from ribbon wire.

 

[vapnstuff]

Well, I've caught up as much as I'm going to. Y'all have a good night.

 

[Ozwald]

mild euphoria

You saying this is my fault?

Mildly

Temco's page. They know what's up

Yeah, you know vapors are boosting their profits. I don't buy my kanthal from vape stores though, I get it from amazon. 8 bucks for 100 feet as opposed to 3 for 10 or 15 feet. The flat wire seems like it would be harder to work with. Have you tried it?

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That's the Temco stuff. That's what I buy too. I don't bother with the ribbon though, I've never had a problem with the regular wire, except for the first time I tried a twisted coil I slightly underestimated the amount of length sucked up by the twist.

 

[DustyZ]

I was browsing Kanthal on an industrial supply webpage and had to do a double take when I browsed their product guides. They have some information on building heating elements of various kinds with their Kanthal. Kilns, appliances etc.

They also had the following to say about ribbon kanthal:


Advantages of Ribbon Wire

How does having more wire surface area affect vaping?

Produces More Vapor

Using flat ribbon Kanthal in your PVs means you will get more vapor from each draw. This is similar to why cooking stoves have flat tops: there is more contact area between the heat source and whatever is being heated.

Easier to Wind

The flat shape of the wire makes it much easier to wrap around and cover the wick.

NOTE: Because of its flat shape, sharp twists in ribbon Kanthal will cause tears, rips, warping, and other kinds of mechanical damage. Thus, if you have a rebuildable atomizer (RBA), avoid twisting your ribbon Kanthal wherever possible as you are winding your coils.

The only areas where twists are unavoidable are at positive and negative screw terminals. This is because you should have your ribbon wire flat (horizontal) against the screw head, as good electrical connections require good mechanical connections. However, this means you may have to twist the wire in order to wrap it around the wick.

Eliminates Hot Spots

The most common issue people have when winding coils on their atomizers is getting areas of uneven heating called "hot spots." Hot spots will drastically shorten the life of your coil. Uneven heating causes parts of the coil to expand and contract at different rates, which wears out the coil much more quickly compared to a coil without hot spots.

Finding hot spots after taking the time to carefully wind a coil for your atomizer can also be very frustrating, especially if you keep seeing hot spots after repeated adjustments. However, hot spots are less likely to occur with flat ribbon Kanthal.

There are some tutorials on here that talk about using Flat Kanthal as well as the twisted kanthal. I have not had to opportunity to try either of them, but would like to experiment with them along with different configurations of the coils. I have tried 3 different configurations so far, the vertical coil works well, but it takes more time work with when doing a micro-coil, I haven't tried it in a RDA, I have also played around with a simple stove top type of coil which worked pretty well also but was kinda of a pain to make. lol

 

[Ozwald]

On that note, vaping some Blueberry Muffin, which is suprisingly good considering I lean mostly towards the tobaccos. Time to wind down with some more Nikita. Only a couple episodes left before I finish season 3 (& this iteration as I understand it).

I leave you with some thought food.

 

[FearTX]

I have, I bought it from Temco, Lightning vapes on ebay and amazon sell for the same prices Temco does. I was just browsing and saw that. I use the flat wire on a few of my gennies. I have messed with it in RDAs as well. It is easier for me to wind but harder to get on the posts. I do not see a marked improvement either. I know people do some crazy stuff with winding, twisting and even braiding. I do not have the patience for that. I have large hands and the eyes of a 48 year old.

It works, I can't see my self trying to build one of my KF style atties with it.

We use Temco for some stuff at work. I was surprised to see them listing vaping info is all. I would be shocked to see mcmaster carr do so as well.

 

[Criticalmass]

I've heard it's easier to work with, but I would think you couldn't do a microcoil? Riptrippers has a video for what he calls the "tinman" coil, made from ribbon wire.

Don't think you could use it in a protank head, maybe I am wrong though, it just seems to me if it were that great everyone would be doing it,

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[Ozwald]

There are some tutorials on here that talk about using Flat Kanthal as well as the twisted kanthal. I have not had to opportunity to try either of them, but would like to experiment with them along with different configurations of the coils. I have tried 3 different configurations so far, the vertical coil works well, but it takes more time work with when doing a micro-coil, I haven't tried it in a RDA, I have also played around with a simple stove top type of coil which worked pretty well also but was kinda of a pain to make. lol

Twisted is so easy. Just do it. A shepherds hook woodworking probe makes life simple.

Lowes sells a mini screwdriver kit with a probe/large dental pick set. Has all the bits you need for all the tiny screws in most RBA's. Look up item #462429

 

[FearTX]

I did the vertical coil in a kanger head today. That was fun and it worked. Kinda "underwhelming" for the amount of trouble though. I did recoil one of my R91s, wicked it and filled it up with sticky bun.

Oh Em Gee. The flavor just makes my mouth water.

Also MBV should list Hawk Sauce for 30% off since the Sea Hawks won.

 

[FearTX]

Twisted is so easy. Just do it. A shepherds hook woodworking probe makes life simple.

Lowes sells a mini screwdriver kit with a probe/large dental pick set. Has all the bits you need for all the tiny screws in most RBA's. Look up item #462429

I just brought the hook pick from one of my o-ring picks at work home. has a thin shaft so it can be chucked in a drill. I keep thinking of doing it but then go nah not going to. I also said that about the vertical kanger head coil. I was winding a coil for an RDA today and thought hmm I can do a 1/16 vertical and did it.

I also said I probably wouldnt use anything but carto tanks and protanks. I do not use carto tanks anymore and only use my kangers for mobile vaping.

 

[Criticalmass]

More MVP 2 Goodness.

If I had to guess, I would say these may be available for valentines day.

According to Innokin's post on FB, they are created with real Sworavski elements. Whatever those are.

The one on the far left reminds me of my Burberry Brit cologne I used to get before it tripled in price.

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[Uno mas]

Went back and deleted some posts, think everyone can understand why...

Good night my friends

 

[opal]

Went back and deleted some posts, think everyone can understand why...

Good night my friends

not me.. I missed whatever.. skipped a few pages now I wanna go see what I missed.. sigh - I hope it wasn't anything I posted...

Kelli.. that's my second favorite avi pic of you yet.. the ren faire rockin freckles one was first

Dusty.. did the juicing recipe help you with the gall bladder stuff?

Vaping pet peeve.. just refill a clearo and remember that was the one that needed a coil change.. and not the kind that I can just flip and swap coils on.. interior double coils.. have to waste juice *sulk*

 

[Stoneface]

I've heard it's easier to work with, but I would think you couldn't do a microcoil? Riptrippers has a video for what he calls the "tinman" coil, made from ribbon wire.

If you feel like reading, start here in the Micro Coils thread and read forward....and I also recommend checking out Mundy's Magic thread. I believe Mundy was the first one to twist the ribbon Kanthal for a micro coil.

 

[Seanchai]

not me.. I missed whatever.. skipped a few pages now I wanna go see what I missed.. sigh - I hope it wasn't anything I posted...

Didn't miss anything, macaroni was just curious about why some vendors' names are censored on ECF.

Vaping pet peeve.. just refill a clearo and remember that was the one that needed a coil change.. and not the kind that I can just flip and swap coils on.. interior double coils.. have to waste juice *sulk*

And that is why I decided not to go with a bottom coil RBA... I love how bottom coils vape but I've done that "oops, wrong tank, this coil needs a dry burn" waaay too many times right after filling it up.

That new black MVP2 looks nice. I couldn't care less about crystals or whatever, I just like the design. Not paying forty prices for it though, so I suspect when I grab a backup, it'll either be a "standard" one with a wrap, or one of those new "Energy" line ones.

Gnight Uno.

 

[FearTX]

OK so MBV Lighting is a hit.
Sticky Bun in the R91 is a Major Hit.

Dripping 18mg is got ma hade spinin

Gnight!

Edit: Was REALLY trying to stay out of the twisted ribbon threads... DANGIT now I HAVE to try it.

 

[DustyZ]

Twisted is so easy. Just do it. A shepherds hook woodworking probe makes life simple.

Lowes sells a mini screwdriver kit with a probe/large dental pick set. Has all the bits you need for all the tiny screws in most RBA's. Look up item #462429

Thanks, but I already have the tools and dental picks etc, I just don't have the wire, that will need to wait until I get back to work, I have enough regular kanthal to last for while but I am interested in trying both the flat and the twisted wires.

 

[DustyZ]

I did the vertical coil in a kanger head today. That was fun and it worked. Kinda "underwhelming" for the amount of trouble though. I did recoil one of my R91s, wicked it and filled it up with sticky bun.

Oh Em Gee. The flavor just makes my mouth water.

Also MBV should list Hawk Sauce for 30% off since the Sea Hawks won.

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I was really happy with my vertical coil in my EVOD until I had to change the cotton, the Ohms changed on it and it was too much trouble to fight with it after that. lol But I got great flavor and a surprising amount of vapor out of it, more then any other standard colds and wick in that configuration.