MTLers unite!

[Henry Etta]

This thread is for folks who vape MTL (mouth to lung) and want to get suggestions/advice for atomizers that work for us. Seems like most RDAs coming out now are geared toward big-air cloud chasing lung hitters, and it's harder and harder to find good quality flavor-chasing restricted air attys with AFC.
*This thread is NOT meant to separate, label, discriminate, categorize, alienate, or otherwise create a divisive attitude toward other vapers. We are ALL vapers, and need to stick together and help each other!*
I just wanted to create a place for people with a similar vaping style to discuss what works for us. I use RDAs exclusively, so that's what I am personally most interested in hearing about, but please feel free to discuss any other types of atomizers (and coil builds, and modifications, and ideas about what would make the perfect atty, etc. etc.)

So, ok, I'll start. I've been vaping for almost 3 years. I've moved from ego/clearo/carto set-ups to exclusively bottom feeding mech mods with RDAs. The attys I currently have, and like, are the Chalice 3, Nuppin V1, Stumpy, and Nectar Micro. The Chalice & Nuppin aren't going anywhere for me- love them both. The Stumpy is really nice, too, but in order to restrict airflow enough, I have to plug up the single coil air holes. The Nectar is just about perfect, except for the noise (which unfortunately may be enough for me to not keep around much longer).

Thoughts, opinions, suggestions welcome!

 

[dbrandt01]

I prefer lung inhale, but that's besides the point. I got a Calix RBA (really it's an RTA, but the site has RBA). It's a good MTL tank with airflow through the 510. MTL is always an enjoyable way to vape.

 

[Henry Etta]

Hey Danny, thanks! Yeah, the Apollo (same build deck as Calix) is something I've had my eye on for a while... actually since it first came out. I use to have some dripper pros and sophias that I LOVED, but got seduced by the BFing and never looked back. Seems like an Apollo might be a good fit, especially since it can be top fed or bottom fed.

 

[dirfm]

I am almost strictly into BF also. For 14mm I like RM2's, the NFA, and the viper. When I move into 22mm I do like the stumpy for TC and then the HF cranked. On the 14mm atties I also found that I like using the By Leo beck adapters with the shorty delrin, these seem to add to the amount of vapor and flavor. I have not noticed this effect in the larger atties.

The calix looks good and I enjoy his stuff alot - I just spent to much on a few other mods lately.

 

[Train2]

I got a bunch, then moved to more open air as my preference.
But I'm not getting rid of any of them...

If you KNOW what size airhole you like, some of these are awesome. In my collection for MTL:
Chalice III
Cyclone
Cyclone with AFC
Atomic (RM4)
ERA Torch
Divo
Reactor
PDA
Nuppin (1 & 2)

The only ones with airflow are the Cyclone, Atomic, Chalice and Nuppins.

 

[penguiness]

Thank you for starting this thread Henry Etta. I am looking forward to getting ideas of new things to try.

NFA (No Fear Again), Nuppin, Cyclone, Derringer and Stumpy on my BF mods. Recently I had the opportunity to receive a Le Magister. It is a 22mm atty with height similar to the Veritas (my non-BF favorite) but the air flow adjustment allows me to easily dial down the air for my MTL preferences. The flavor is pretty good.

I have not tried the Viper yet. The deck reminds me of the T2 and Hornet, though.

 

[RiverNut]

My favorite BFers right now are Chalice 3, Nectar micro, and Atomic (RM4). I have grown accustom to afc, but unfortunately, many attys with afc are not effective enough to produce a good vape when closed down. So having afc is no guarantee that I'll like it, especially the 22mm rdas with large air holes.

@ penguiness- I've been tempted by the No Fear Again. I think I'll give it try now

Sure wish there were more midsize (18-20mm) MTL attys to choose from. IMO 18mm is the perfect size for a squonker.

 

[Henry Etta]

Right on! Glad you guys made it over!
I'm curious about the No Fear & Viper as well. The Viper looks like it's made well- awesome deck, but a little pricey for something with no AFC. I haven't seen much about it- looking for input on that one for sure. I know what size hole I like sometimes, but I do like to change it up a bit depending on build & my mood. My Chalice always stays wide open, but I adjust the Nuppin regularly. Just wondering if the Viper is that much better than a hornet or ERA (sure looks easier to build on...)
No Fear Again- is that pretty new? Just looked it up, and it looks great! How do you buy one? Only wish it was single and dual coil.

 

[jandrew]

I've been a solid MTL vaper for 2+ years now. My current, hands down favorite MTL vape is the Ego One with a 1ohm CLR head. The cyclops airflow runs smoothly from full open to full closed so you can really dial in your draw resistance. It provides a good, rich, mtl vape and has been my primary vape for a month now.

For rdas, I'm partial to the Eternity with a 1.7ohm microcoil (I have one on my epipe and another I use on a plain old ego). I have an A7 on my 14500 mech that does nicely, and a Fatty v3 I rather like on a nemi clone. Admittedly, I kind of gave up exploring the rda space quite a while ago so I look forward to seeing what comes up in this thread.

(ps: I actually like and still use a 1.7ohm 306 atty on a 450mah ego)

 

[Rule62]

I can't say I'm a MTLer, but I do like a restricted lung hit. My favorite 18mm attys are the Nuppin and the RM4 (Atomic).
Lately, all the BF atty 'mania' has been about the Stumpy and before that, the Vector. But for a 22mm atty, my favorite is still the Manta. It has the flavor potential of an 18mm atty, because of the reduced and domed chamber. In fact, the Manta is probably my all time favorite atty.

 

[Henry Etta]

I can't say I'm a MTLer, but I do like a restricted lung hit. My favorite 18mm attys are the Nuppin and the RM4 (Atomic).
Lately, all the BF atty 'mania' has been about the Stumpy and before that, the Vector. But for a 22mm atty, my favorite is still the Manta. It has the flavor potential of an 18mm atty, because of the reduced and domed chamber. In fact, the Manta is probably my all time favorite atty.

I got the clone... I thought the Manta would be the ONE for me- no leaking, reduced chamber, dual or single coil, AFC, etc etc, but I could not get it dialed in. I tried so hard... got really good flavor, but no vapor. One might think that because I MTL, vapor doesn't matter, but density is nearly as important to me as flavor. I tried everything, but I could not get it to produce anything close to a dense vape. It seems weird, though, because almost everyone else loves it.

 

[Henry Etta]

Admittedly, I kind of gave up exploring the rda space quite a while ago so I look forward to seeing what comes up in this thread.

(ps: I actually like and still use a 1.7ohm 306 atty on a 450mah ego)

You know, it's just not a bad idea... sometimes I get tired of the most amazing thing ever coming out, and then the very next week, something EVEN BETTER! I've kind of been on a hunt lately, though... I'd really like to have about 4 attys that I absolutely love, with wide range of sizes, deck configurations, etc. so that I have some options. I feel like I'm getting close with the current ones, but I think there are more out there that just aren't talked about much because they don't cater to the current trend. And, hence, this thread!
Thanks for all the replies so far!

 

[Rule62]

I got the clone... I thought the Manta would be the ONE for me- no leaking, reduced chamber, dual or single coil, AFC, etc etc, but I could not get it dialed in. I tried so hard... got really good flavor, but no vapor. One might think that because I MTL, vapor doesn't matter, but density is nearly as important to me as flavor. I tried everything, but I could not get it to produce anything close to a dense vape. It seems weird, though, because almost everyone else loves it.

I've found that the coil height is important. The air slits inside the cap are 9mm up from the bottom of the cap. So, the coil height needs to also be up 9mm from the bottom of the base.
I build mine with dual coils, 26g kanthal, 2mm dia. coils, 7 wraps. Comes out to about .42 ohms. The coils need to be in close to the posts, so that everything clears the 15mm chamber. I use an old 14500 barttery as a gauge.
This is my Manta build.

 

[RipCigs]

Heyo, single coil mtl here. I have a derringer, veritas and nectar micro (all clones) along with some no name FT rda-s and a kanger tank. Veritas was great, love it, but nectar took it's place. Great amount of juice held, no leaking, small, great flavor, only thing i dislike is that it spits a lot.
Can someone do a stumpy vs nectar comparison for a single coil please? So much hype around it lately i kinda wanna try it, but if it's not noticeably better than the nectar.. meh
Btw, what do you mean by the sound on the nectar?

 

[penguiness]

Heyo, single coil mtl here. I have a derringer, veritas and nectar micro (all clones) along with some no name FT rda-s and a kanger tank. Veritas was great, love it, but nectar took it's place. Great amount of juice held, no leaking, small, great flavor, only thing i dislike is that it spits a lot.
Can someone do a stumpy vs nectar comparison for a single coil please? So much hype around it lately i kinda wanna try it, but if it's not noticeably better than the nectar.. meh
Btw, what do you mean by the sound on the nectar?

The air moving through the nectar makes noise and depending upon where the coil is positioned/wick placement it can whistle.

I have a Nectar Nano and a Stumpy so I don't really qualify to compare with your Nectar Micro and mine are authentic which also makes a difference.

 

[RipCigs]

The air moving through the nectar makes noise and depending upon where the coil is positioned/wick placement it can whistle.

I have a Nectar Nano and a Stumpy so I don't really qualify to compare with your Nectar Micro and mine are authentic which also makes a difference.

My bad, i meant nano, it's been a long day
Hum, i haven't had any whistling or noise. Well, how would you compare your authentics?

 

[Henry Etta]

Heyo, single coil mtl here. I have a derringer, veritas and nectar micro (all clones) along with some no name FT rda-s and a kanger tank. Veritas was great, love it, but nectar took it's place. Great amount of juice held, no leaking, small, great flavor, only thing i dislike is that it spits a lot.
Can someone do a stumpy vs nectar comparison for a single coil please? So much hype around it lately i kinda wanna try it, but if it's not noticeably better than the nectar.. meh
Btw, what do you mean by the sound on the nectar?

I threw a side single coil build in the Stumpy, and I would say the vapor was slightly more dense than the Nectar, but the flavor was not as good. I've seen a center single coil build in the Stumpy with 2 airholes open on either side, and people are loosing their minds over that, but I haven't tried it. I do think for MTL 22mm attys, you won't get much better flavor than the Nectar.
What I meant about the noise was that it wooshes really loudly when I draw. I had a Nectar micro and it did the same thing. I assumed it was the air moving through under the atty, but maybe I'll try re positioning my coil to see if that helps.

 

[Wow1420]

I feel like an uneducated noob reading this thread, don't know nothing about all these new-fangled RBAs y'all are discussing. I have lost (most all) interest in exploring new tanks since I switched to the KFL over a year ago.

 

[RipCigs]

I threw a side single coil build in the Stumpy, and I would say the vapor was slightly more dense than the Nectar, but the flavor was not as good. I've seen a center single coil build in the Stumpy with 2 airholes open on either side, and people are loosing their minds over that, but I haven't tried it. I do think for MTL 22mm attys, you won't get much better flavor than the Nectar.
What I meant about the noise was that it wooshes really loudly when I draw. I had a Nectar micro and it did the same thing. I assumed it was the air moving through under the atty, but maybe I'll try re positioning my coil to see if that helps.

This is what i have in it at the moment, doesn't get more simple
Excuse the mess, was in a hurry when i got it

I'm not getting any whistling, only sometimes to my own fault some liquid gets into the channel so it's not as smooth sounding. But a blow into the airhole (heh heh) fixes that right up. So you'd say not worth going for the stumpy? What's your favorite flavor build on it?

 

[MattyTny]

I've found that the Aqua v2 gives a great vape for mouth to lung draws. I usually draw for 2-3 seconds.

I've taken out the duals and decided to go single with it. A 24 gauge around a 7/64 bit reads about 0.6ohms. It fires up quick and it's a full vape for those short draws. Airflow closed halfway. I'd say it's my only atomizer that closely resembles the feeling of a cigarette, warm and satisfying vapor.