Recent confrontation in a parking lot

[Anjaffm]

I strongly recommend not feeding.... a certain type of poster.

 

[edyle]

Wow, a guy tells us what happened to him and all you can do is call him a liar. And this from one of the "act like vaping is smoking" crowd.

Actually the original post did not tell us what happened at all; except that what happened was the poster got angry at what ever it was that happened!!

lol

 

[Megs]

I think what's being missed here is that there's a huge, wide, brightly-colored line between "don't get seen vaping" and "please vape respectfully".

The first isn't doing us any favors - it makes us look like we're doing something illicit. That's why even when I minimize the amount of visible vapor I exhale, I don't make much effort not to be seen. If anything, I go out of my way to not just be, but LOOK comfortable with my vape in public. It's the basic principle that those who have nothing to hide hide nothing.

The second, however, shouldn't even need to be said. By respectfully, I mean not blowing clouds of vapor that others have to deal with. I tend to try and aim my exhales away from anyone because I just don't know who has an allergy or a sensitivity to anything that might be in that vapor. The closest thing those who want regulations on vaping have t a valid point is that it could affect the health of those who do not vape. We can demonstrate that we can vape without harming or affecting others, but the way to do that isn't by blowing vapor in their faces and telling them it's not gonna harm them. It's by displaying basic courtesy to others.

It seems like a lot of the posts in this thread tend to represent a false dichotomy that the only options are to vape wherever we want whenever we want or to avoid visibly vaping at all ever. That may be a bit hyperbolic but I really feel like there's a lot of middle ground that a lot of responses are pretending doesn't exist. It's there, and it's pretty easy to establish.

 

[Warpigs]

I have not run into any problems myself. But once I do, I will tell that person to (EDITED)

 

[AndriaD]

I think what's being missed here is that there's a huge, wide, brightly-colored line between "don't get seen vaping" and "please vape respectfully".

The first isn't doing us any favors - it makes us look like we're doing something illicit. That's why even when I minimize the amount of visible vapor I exhale, I don't make much effort not to be seen. If anything, I go out of my way to not just be, but LOOK comfortable with my vape in public. It's the basic principle that those who have nothing to hide hide nothing.

The second, however, shouldn't even need to be said. By respectfully, I mean not blowing clouds of vapor that others have to deal with. I tend to try and aim my exhales away from anyone because I just don't know who has an allergy or a sensitivity to anything that might be in that vapor. The closest thing those who want regulations on vaping have t a valid point is that it could affect the health of those who do not vape. We can demonstrate that we can vape without harming or affecting others, but the way to do that isn't by blowing vapor in their faces and telling them it's not gonna harm them. It's by displaying basic courtesy to others.

It seems like a lot of the posts in this thread tend to represent a false dichotomy that the only options are to vape wherever we want whenever we want or to avoid visibly vaping at all ever. That may be a bit hyperbolic but I really feel like there's a lot of middle ground that a lot of responses are pretending doesn't exist. It's there, and it's pretty easy to establish.

That's pretty much my stance on the whole thing -- basic courtesy goes a lot farther with just about everyone than being hostile or secretive or confrontational about it. I admit, if someone came up to me *outdoors* and started giving me a ration of caca about it, I really would tell them something on the order of "mind your own business and leave me alone," the hostility of which would be determined by theirs to me. It hasn't happened, and I don't really anticipate that it will, simply because a) southerners do tend to be courteous, b) there are a LOT!!! of vapers and vape-biz in GA, it's getting to be quite the thing, and not so unfamiliar as it was, so people, on the whole, don't feel threatened by it. I've met a lot of folks who either do vape, have vaped, or someone in their family does, or one or more of their friends do, etc, and I really haven't heard a negative thing said about it, EXCEPT by those ignorant ANTZ in the health professions (excluding my own enlightened doctor!) who are just parroting the "official line" and really know NOTHING about it. Oh, and from my own mother, who believes everything she hears on The News (the way she says it, it MUST be capitalized!).

Andria

 

[supermarket]

No, you don't blow out more vapor then a cigarette in public, you just dont. Heavy users will be the end to us all. For realz though end the vape on vape hate. People need to mind there own business, you never know who has a gun...

I hope you aren't serious about how much vapor a person blows out in public.

I'm all FOR common courtesy, and I fall in with the crowd that believes vaping is best left outside, unless a business gives you permission, or is known to allow vaping inside. However, when you are OUTSIDE, feel free to vape as you FEEL COMFORTABLE.

There is PLENTY enough room outside for anyone who doesn't want to be near vapor to walk away from you, or you from them. Now, if you are in a CROWDED area outside, use COMMON SENSE.

Everyone has a personal space, and with a little common sense, you should be able to tell when you are in other people's space.

I'm not a "cloud chaser" by definition....I don't go to competitions, I don't try to blow the biggest clouds I can, I don't work on my technique, or even vape below .5ohm. However, I DO blow bigger clouds than a little cigarette, considering I only use RDAs and RBAs on mech mods.

My preference is lots of vapor, lots of flavor, achieved via RDA/RBA and mech mods. When I'm outside, I vape freely. Vaping IS a healthier alternative to smoking....let us not forget that. The main reasons vapor bothers people is A) They associate it with cigarette smoke, and B) it is something NEW. People fear/hate things that are NEW. People fear/hate change.

Follow the golden rule of not invading people's space, and beyond that, there's a special finger on your hand for people who still give you trouble

 

[supermarket]

But then:



At your table in a restaurant? In a store? I'm curious how you rationalize this activity as being 'respectful'?

While those sales people may not have lambasted you, what impression do you think they come away with after witnessing you doing this? Do you think they see someone who is being respectful?

I think we need to be mindful at this stage of the game in managing people's perceptions of vaping. Stealth vaping anywhere smoking is not permitted will only hinder our cause. Let's remind ourselves that we're vaping because it is better for us, NOT because we can 'Get away with it' in places where we couldnt' smoke.

This may be the common 'trend' now, but in the vaping community, vaping in restaurants and department stores was generally acceptable among many of us, as long as you were taking small puffs, using best judgement and common sense.

With all of the negative press, the tables have apparently turned a bit....

lets keep a few things in mind though:

1. some restaurants allow smoking. In those, vape away!

2. some restaurants, although they don't allow smoking, have NO issue with vaping. VAPE AWAY!

3. If the restaurant doesn't allow smoking, and you haven't vaped in their before, or don't know their stance....ask your server/waitress! If she gives you the nod...VAPE AWAY!



Let's stop acting like vaping is some dark, dirty, nasty thing that we have to hide from the public.

Vape freely in your own home, your own car, and outside in non-crowded areas. If you are on a business's property, ask the business owner or an associate for permission.

Parking lots are acceptions in my book. I don't ask for permission to vape in a parking lot, and I don't try to hide my vaping. I'm not doing anything wrong, why should I? Now, if a business owner were to ever confront me about vaping in a parking lot, which I highly doubt will ever happen, I will gladly stop vaing, along with leaving altogether, never going back and warning others do stay away, lol.

 

[Myk]

Let's stop acting like vaping is some dark, dirty, nasty thing that we have to hide from the public.

I'm guessing the people that want it hidden are either ANTZ and trying to con vapers into acting how they want them to act or they've been so brainwashed as smokers by the ANTZ that they hid it away completely and think it's natural that vaping should be treated the same way.

I wonder what they'd say about someone actually smoking.

 

[wv2win]

I noticed you Never Replied to this Post.

And that is the best you can come up with in relation to all of the enacted and proposed bans on vaping, lol. Typical of your arguments that you can't support. The reasons given for bans on vaping in approximately 90+% of the cases are due to unknown health risks and looks like smoking and not about where anyone vapes. Your pretending that is not true, does not change that fact. It just makes you look just as ridiculous as always.

 

[wv2win]

I think what's being missed here is that there's a huge, wide, brightly-colored line between "don't get seen vaping" and "please vape respectfully".

The first isn't doing us any favors - it makes us look like we're doing something illicit. That's why even when I minimize the amount of visible vapor I exhale, I don't make much effort not to be seen. If anything, I go out of my way to not just be, but LOOK comfortable with my vape in public. It's the basic principle that those who have nothing to hide hide nothing.

The second, however, shouldn't even need to be said. By respectfully, I mean not blowing clouds of vapor that others have to deal with. I tend to try and aim my exhales away from anyone because I just don't know who has an allergy or a sensitivity to anything that might be in that vapor. The closest thing those who want regulations on vaping have t a valid point is that it could affect the health of those who do not vape. We can demonstrate that we can vape without harming or affecting others, but the way to do that isn't by blowing vapor in their faces and telling them it's not gonna harm them. It's by displaying basic courtesy to others.

It seems like a lot of the posts in this thread tend to represent a false dichotomy that the only options are to vape wherever we want whenever we want or to avoid visibly vaping at all ever. That may be a bit hyperbolic but I really feel like there's a lot of middle ground that a lot of responses are pretending doesn't exist. It's there, and it's pretty easy to establish.

Many of us have been making this point for years. Unfortunately, there are some here on ECF who want vaping to be viewed as being the same as smoking. Some actually support bans on vaping where ever smoking is banned including at beaches, parks, etc. The "respectful middle ground" is what many of us vets have been practicing for years with positive results on how vaping is viewed.

 

[Anjaffm]

I think what's being missed here is that there's a huge, wide, brightly-colored line between "don't get seen vaping" and "please vape respectfully".

The first isn't doing us any favors - it makes us look like we're doing something illicit. That's why even when I minimize the amount of visible vapor I exhale, I don't make much effort not to be seen. If anything, I go out of my way to not just be, but LOOK comfortable with my vape in public. It's the basic principle that those who have nothing to hide hide nothing.

The second, however, shouldn't even need to be said. By respectfully, I mean not blowing clouds of vapor that others have to deal with. I tend to try and aim my exhales away from anyone because I just don't know who has an allergy or a sensitivity to anything that might be in that vapor. The closest thing those who want regulations on vaping have t a valid point is that it could affect the health of those who do not vape. We can demonstrate that we can vape without harming or affecting others, but the way to do that isn't by blowing vapor in their faces and telling them it's not gonna harm them. It's by displaying basic courtesy to others.

It seems like a lot of the posts in this thread tend to represent a false dichotomy that the only options are to vape wherever we want whenever we want or to avoid visibly vaping at all ever. That may be a bit hyperbolic but I really feel like there's a lot of middle ground that a lot of responses are pretending doesn't exist. It's there, and it's pretty easy to establish.

Excellent!
I wish I could "like" this 100 times. And I also wish I could frame this in gold.
You have hit the nail right on the head, and you have summed up the false dichotomy very nicely indeed.
By the way, I am also one of the people who vapes respectfully and with common sense

 

[Bunnykiller]

Strange how so many confrontational events always seem to happen to newer members of the forum.

I think its because when you have become seasoned and experienced, one tends to blow off the verbal assaults from the unknowing and not comment on it anymore.... I still get looks and an occasional verbal assault from the antivapor people...

 

[Anjaffm]

Many of us have been making this point for years. Unfortunately, there are some here on ECF who want vaping to be viewed as being the same as smoking. Some actually support bans on vaping where ever smoking is banned including at beaches, parks, etc. The "respectful middle ground" is what many of us vets have been practicing for years with positive results on how vaping is viewed.

Precisely.
And big THANK YOU to the vets who have been promoting "vape respectfully and with common sense" for years.
I have been vaping that way in my home country for years now, with the same positive results.

 

[zoiDman]

And that is the best you can come up with in relation to all of the enacted and proposed bans on vaping, lol. Typical of your arguments that you can't support. The reasons given for bans on vaping in approximately 90+% of the cases are due to unknown health risks and looks like smoking and not about where anyone vapes. Your pretending that is not true, does not change that fact. It just makes you look just as ridiculous as always.

I'm not trying to come up with Anything.

I'm not even Really In this Thread. Because what happened to the OP was a Very Unusual Situation involving someone with a Fringe View. And Isn't Representative to what happens everyday.

I'm just Commenting on your Pattern of Demanding that people Provide Evidence to Support their Opinions. But when they do, you choose to Ignore It.

Where as you Don't have any evidence to support Your Opinion.

 

[NathanielFT]

You lot just talk about the same topic over and over lol, i guess this is a venting forum as much as it is a learning/helping one.

I couldn't read these posts and the OP and resist commenting lol. For me it's like this, I vape wherever I want, whenever I want want, but I don't take the piss and i try to be considerate of rules and little crybabies scared my vapour will melt the flesh from their faces. HOWEVER If someone comes out of their way and over to me talking , tell them do something about it or off away from me.

are , whoever they are and whatever the situation, deal with all them the same Vapee orrnnnnnnn

 

[Tinkiegrrl]

I commute to Manhattan Monday through Friday. I carry 4 largish mods with me. 2 Provari Minis and two mech mods currently. My collection changes the more I shop. I usually have RTAs on top of them, though I think I'm going to start buying up more drippers soon. No one has ever said anything to me, save for some questions on where to start with vaping themselves, and this is supposedly the mecca for ANTZ.

What I'm saying is, I think both sides of the debate here in these forums tend to exaggerate the issues. Yes, the government is looking for regulation. Yes, I do still encounter some people on the city streets who wave their hands in front of their faces like I'm blowing clouds of smoke directly at them. I know there will likely always be people who are zealots on every side of every issue, not just the nicotine issue. However, I believe these zealots are few and far between, and I don't think anyone does their side any good by exaggerating and the blowing the issues up. As with many of the hot debates that exist today, most of the general populace takes a middle ground. I think we'd have more reasonable politicians in office making reasonable laws if we stopped focusing on those few fringe extremists and started focusing on the more plentiful, reasonable people out there. Not just for this issue, but for them all.

If the situation described in this post truly happened, then that sucks. I'm not denying that there are extremists out there. I'm not even denying that they have a certain power. I think the power they have comes from us though. We give it to them by our reactions to them. We pay attention to them. We lend them credence by that. It doesn't matter that they're the minority. Their voices become the loudest because of the majority's willingness to spread the word on what they're ranting on.

 

[CabinetGuyScott]

That is your "opinion" which many vapers do not agree with. Many of us have the exact opposite experience when vaping respectfully most places. We have gotten many positive remarks, especially about the difference between smoking and vaping and how many were glad to get a first hand experience and better understand the difference.

And there is no evidence that how anyone has vaped has anything to do with proposed vaping bans. Your posting that it hinders the cause and never supporting that statement with evidence, does not make it true.

But I have talked to a number of people who have told me that when they see people vaping with smokers, they assumed it was just another way to smoke and just as bad for them and everyone around them.

That is the perception that acting like vaping and smoking are the same thing, leads to.

And just for the bump & repetition of clear thinking & reasoned logic!

 

[chellemmm]

My eyes glaze over when some people start sounding like lunatics. Same old stuff, over and over again. The same old canned response.

 

[AndriaD]

I'm guessing the people that want it hidden are either ANTZ and trying to con vapers into acting how they want them to act or they've been so brainwashed as smokers by the ANTZ that they hid it away completely and think it's natural that vaping should be treated the same way.

I wonder what they'd say about someone actually smoking.

Not much, around here; I never really noticed it much before I was a vaper (and my nose grew unaccustomed to the smell) but people smoke all over the place, in every parking lot I regularly park in. I did too, and nobody hassled me about it. Now if I'm out and about, I'm vaping, and yes, publically, when I'm outdoors, and no one hassles me about that either.

Mostly, in fact almost exclusively, I don't vape in indoor public areas, for the reasons cited above -- it looks like smoke, people are unfamiliar with the fact that it's NOT smoke, and even though the smell of it is very light, there *is* a faint smell, and it might be offensive to someone, for whatever reason -- in short, it would be rude to just blithely proceed to vape in a space that must be shared with many others who might not want to be around it, for WHATEVER reason. Now, if I go into a public place where I'm the only one, I might ask if I can vape -- when I got my vehicle's emissions tested, I ran into that; the waiting area was empty, it was just me and the guy behind the counter, so I waved my lanyarded PV at him and said "Ok if I do this in here?" he just shrugged and asked me if it smelled bad; I said I didn't think so, but see for yourself... took a small puff, blew it out, and he shrugged again, and said he didn't smell anything, so go right ahead. It really wasn't that big a deal.

Andria

 

[CabinetGuyScott]

snip...

What I'm saying is, I think both sides of the debate here in these forums tend to exaggerate the issues. Yes, the government is looking for regulation. Yes, I do still encounter some people on the city streets who wave their hands in front of their faces like I'm blowing clouds of smoke directly at them. I know there will likely always be people who are zealots on every side of every issue, not just the nicotine issue. However, I believe these zealots are few and far between, and I don't think anyone does their side any good by exaggerating the blowing the issues up. As with many of the hot debates that exist today, most of the general populace takes a middle ground. I think we'd have more reasonable politicians in office making reasonable laws if we stopped focusing on those few fringe extremists and started focusing on the more plentiful, reasonable people out there. Not just for this issue, but for them all.

If the situation described in this post truly happened, then that sucks. I'm not denying that there are extremists out there. I'm not even denying that they have a certain power. I think the power they have comes from us though. We give it to them by our reactions to them. We pay attention to them. We lend the credence by that. It doesn't matter that they're the minority. Their voices become the loudest because of the majority's willingness to spread the word on what they're ranting on.

Well said, and applies across US society as a whole!!

Outstanding young Lady!