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bassnut

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Music is something that grows on people either out of desire to play or natural talent. Come have to work at it and others find it easy. Perseverance is what makes dedicated musicians. A lot of kids become an extension of their parents desires, take lessons, play a few years, and quit. Those with a real love for music stay in it for life and play for relaxation or just for fun.

+1 here.

I've been playing a long time but I've always thought my talent was limited. I'm a slow study. I see these young people who have the real talent coming out of schools with real study behind them that can play rings around me...or maybe not in all cases... I'm not sure.... but they sure have chops and seem comfortable playing more complicated music.
For me whatever passes for talent and "fools the masses" comes from many years of obsession and perseverance. I just love to play music more than anything.
 

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+1 here.

I've been playing a long time but I've always thought my talent was limited. I'm a slow study. I see these young people who have the real talent coming out of schools with real study behind them that can play rings around me...or maybe not in all cases... I'm not sure.... but they sure have chops and seem comfortable playing more complicated music.
For me whatever passes for talent and "fools the masses" comes from many years of obsession and perseverance. I just love to play music more than anything.

Until the last 20 years or so, my music theory was forgotten. During my guitar lesson days, I was taught to read music. What I really wanted to do was play current pop music, not Greensleeves and Camptown Races. I continued with the lessons for about a year and a half and stopped. About that time, I found some guys through the local music dealer who were starting a band. The called me, we practiced, found a keyboardist, and some weekend work. That continued through high school. We bought records and learned the chords to play them. Someone would transcribe the words and we put the chords under the change points.

That continued on for a couple of decades. As bands dissolved, I'd get a call from another band who wanted me to play, and here we'd go again. I was learning the notes to play the leads, but I never had that "feel" of how they were related or where to go next in a freeform solo to branch out. I was always experimenting with new stuff but afraid to move "out of the box" for fear of hitting the wrong note in front of a crowd. So, I found my self playing the same things over and over. I had learned some box patterns, but I usually sounded like people on a recording.

One day I was in Barnes and Nobles looking at the books on sale. I found a book, much like a coffee table book, that had nice slick pages and lots of color diagrams. I started looking at music theory ... note relationships, scales, root, 3rd, 5th, 7th, 9th, etc. I got immersed in reading it and took it to the counter and bought it. I read that book over and over and began to absorb what they were talking about.

I learned about scales, modal relationships, and the theory of chord construction. Eventually, that sunk in and I was suddenly able the look at some of the chords I had figured out from records and determine what they were called and why. I realized that the turn around chord in the Allman Brothers music (and the chord Hendrix played in the beginning of Foxy Lady) was an E7#9. That and the scale and modal relationships expanded my playing more than anything I'd learned in my life.

These days, I'm able to play free form and play things out of my head that sound like the jazz guitar players of my earlier days. I was never able to figure out what those guys were doing. Now, I have some insight.

Learn the scales, learn what modes are, and map the scales to the guitar neck. Do one with root on the top string and the next string and you have all the rest if you can find a starting note. Memorize the octave relationships and use them for transposition points to the same scale at a different position.
 
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tonyorion

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Could not agree more with DaveP about the importance of learning theory as it relates to an instrument. Heavy emphasis on relates, otherwise it is just theory. Fretted instruments, especially the guitar, have the ability to play equivalent notes and chords all over the fretboard; whereas, there is only one middle C on a piano. Knowing these positions enables the guitar player to avoid jumping all over the fretboard to play a chord progression.

Mastery of modes, scales, and, of course, ear training are part of the whole package as well as the technical training. I started out as a classical guitarist and moved over to jazz and Celtic. My classical training certainly did not hurt me.

While all this can be a ton to get through, there are some learning shortcuts. The CAGED system for the guitar is certainly one of them. There are some excellant sources in material by Edwards and Serna. Basically, if you know the 5 first position chord patterns of CAGED, you do not need to memorize every single chord to be able to play it. Just learn the finger patterns with a bar chord and move up the fretboard. Need to play a minor? Just flatten the third.

Google this and you will find a ton of information. Box patterns are another way to shorten the learning curve.

Ear training is critical as well. I would recommend the material from David Lucas Burge on relative and absoulte pitch.

Some of us are born with a gift for music; the rest of us, like me, have to work at it, but we don't have to kill ourselves to do it.
 

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started out as a classical trombone player. and odly enough my trombone getting damaged moved me into the multi instrument realm.
i learned to play tuba,baritone,flute,sax,trumpet,french horn, then i got my first bass for christmas some 8 years ago and never looked back. i know play bass, guitar, a little banjo and madolin,
and my musical styles range from bluegrass to heavy metal like lamb of god and such. did a stint with college jazz quartet playing grade 6 jazz. and been in countless garage bands. finally i have moved on to digitally creating music with programs like
Reason and propellerhead and my all time favorite Fruity Loops 10.
for me it was just natural i didnt have to practice becuase i just enjoyed making music.
 

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I thought I never would be able to make an barred F chord when I was 12. I finally built up enough strength to press the 6th string on the 1st fret. Then, I realized that the strings didn't need to be so far off the fingerboard! After a setup, it was easy. That Sears acoustic wasn't bad, it just needed some attention.

Timothy, there are lots of bass players in this thread. You should feel right at home.

Tony, I agree with the CAGED system. For those who haven't seen it, it's all about making the same chords you use on the first 4 frets and employing them up and down the fretboard, using a finger bar to simulate the nut. It a good way to navigate the fingerboard and always have the next chord nearby. You use the C A G E and D shapes. It's basically using your first finger as a capo and forming the chords with the other three.

http://www.cagedguitarsystem.net/
 
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Just wondering what people might be working on. Seems to me with music there is always something new to learn right? So I was wondering if anyone else is working on something new.

I'm working on my major scale, I do it with 8th notes at about 75 BPM. But when I'm improvising with a back track I still can't quite sneek in to many 8th notes.

A shape barre chords, minor, minor 7th, and 7th. Getting that G string to ring on the 7th and minor 7th is tricky but I just have to take my time, I'll get it.

Song Jack Johnson "Gone" just because it seems like an easy song that I can get comfortable with the barre chords.

I'm still just a beginner, so I'm hoping you more advanced players are working on really cool things, maybe Tommy Emmanuel's version of Classical Gas. I don't know if I'll ever be able to play it like him in my life time but in about 5,10, OK 20 years I may just try.
 

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My eyes fail me playing guitar hero and such. by the end of a song tears are streaming down my face and I have to say, this is fun?

midi guitar was something that I learned about when going to a studio recording school. I saw a band called UZEB (roland's showcase band). I was a bass player then. Roland is about a 30min drive from me and I was a good customer. I went over to find out about this midi bass. They custom made it for that player and was way out of my price league. I decided to look into getting back into guitar then. I picked up a casio midi guitar. it was actually a very nice piece. it opened up a new world to me. I could lay down piano tracks on my roland sequencer, drop a sax part in etc. I loved it. as life changes for us all, I found myself going a new direction. I left music (not on purpose, I was going to take vocal lessons with a tenor of the vienna choir, but had to quit smoking for 6 months before she would take me). I sold that guitar to the guy at the music store. he wanted first dibs.

I just got back into playing, tried some cheap midi guitar, took it back the next day and ordered the roland. this thing is amazing. the pickup is mounted on my strat, and I have the roland sound module. I mostly do piano or organ parts but blending say a nice strings with guitar, or a shamizen with guitar (bon jovi wanted dead or alive), sure opens up things.
 

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Midi tracks routed through a quality sound module can sound just like the real thing, even if they sound like toy instruments when played on a cheap sound card in your computer. Through my Kurzweil keyboard into my multi-track recorder, they make great backing tracks. Good tracks are available all over the internet. You can have a live jam in your music room with no one there. Lots of popular songs are available pre-sequenced and waiting for you to find them.

You don't have to buy an expensive keyboard to take advantage of the tracks, either. Some of the low end Yamaha keyboards at Best Buy have impressive sound modules built in. You just run a USB midi cable from your computer into the keyboard, turn on midi, and play.
 

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Trying to learn the marketing aspect and have been the whole time. Sellin e-cigs I am killin it! Making money with a microphone? Seems like some distant dream..

Are you doing a DJ gig? That's a great place to create your own stuff and do live vocals on top of it at a club.

I may have misunderstood your point, though. I was just talking about how easy it is to create jam tracks at home by downloading midi files of your favorite tunes and playing along. If you could get around the copyright issues, though, you could do it commercially for a live audience, especially if the club maintains a BMI/ASCAP license.
 

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I started out playing bass in a punk band in the 80s. Then got into classical guitar. I was pretty serious about that for quite a while (still play fairly regularly). From that, I got into lute music, and early music in general. Then I started playing viola da gamba and a variety of early wind instruments.

Years later, I got really into the whole computer music thing, and have been making some money on the side doing video game soundtracks, movie trailers, and TV music.

Sort of all over the place I guess... jack of all trades, master of none (or, however that saying goes).
 

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Last month I was invited to the Wesak Music festival in Three Rivers Ca to preform in a reunion with my old band Stoney Creek.
We hadn't played together since 1974. (37 years!)
We had three rehearsals in Los Angeles without the drummer Ricky (Bush) and a fourth in Visalia CA with him but without Mindy.
I hadn't seen a couple of them in almost as many years.

We had a wonderful time. It was pretty rough - starts, endings, bridges, equipment malfunctions etc. but so much fun to play with them again and playing the same old tunes we did back then.

There's some Youtube videos up. I'll post one. Mike the guitar/pedal steel player set his camera in front of a bunch of lavender flowers back by the sound mixing station and captured it.

Here's a photo of the band from '74. That's me far left.

Here we are at the reunion. Same people...just older!

Bush, Steve and me.

Mindy warming up before the show.

Mike and Mindy.

Here's one of several Youtube videos posted.
Warning! If you can't handle country music with twangy guitars etc don't view this!

Edit:
As long as I'm on a "me" roll, I just remembered this old photo of Mindy and me from about '75 in San Louis Obispo CA. Notice the thumbtack holes....:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Hammon/Stoney%20Creek%20Runion%202011/mindy.jpg
 
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Good stuff, Bassnut. You can't take the music out of the musician. That's one of the good parts about playing. It stays with you forever. At some point, you can't play ball anymore, ride dirt bikes, or do some of the things you used to do, but you can still play music until you die! Look at BB King.

My thoughts exactly.

Except I'm still in the game.
I still get paid for it....whilst having fun.
 
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Are you doing a DJ gig? That's a great place to create your own stuff and do live vocals on top of it at a club.

I may have misunderstood your point, though. I was just talking about how easy it is to create jam tracks at home by downloading midi files of your favorite tunes and playing along. If you could get around the copyright issues, though, you could do it commercially for a live audience, especially if the club maintains a BMI/ASCAP license.

No Dj'ing no. I am the lead singer in a local metal band. I have been keeping a tally and what the clubs pay us to play and our merch sales < how much money I have spent on equipment, the actual merch, etc. (That's based on the three years we have been playing)

The bars don't want to pay for original music that no one has ever heard of. (there's a shocker) But none of my band mates seem interested in doing even a couple covers.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not in this for the money. But marketing your music is a part of being a musician. and it's the one thing that escapes me. So when the subject was raised of "what aspect of your music are you trying to learn about now" it immediately came to mind. The other guys have proclaimed me "manager" so I suppose it's part of my duties.
 

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Oh hey, this thread is great!

I've been playing just about as long as I can remember. I'm a Bassist by trade, and my last two bands I did main vocals as well and LOVED it. It's a nice challenge to synchronize your voice with your instrument while sacrificing as little technicality as possible. I've studied theory 'til my eyes bled, and jammed until my fingers bled more times than I can count. Taught Beginner and Intermediate Bass for a while too, with a couple beginner guitar students, which was by far my favorite job I've ever had.

I'm heavily influenced by the jazz cats like Stuart Hamm and Marcus Miller, and my personal style involves a lot of chording, tapping, ADD-esque improv and a strong melodic emphasis. It seems to work, too, I've come to the point of being regarded highly for my musical ability.

Up until about a year ago I was always playing in an original band or two, then I got pretty burnt out on the constant lineup switches, band divas, strung out band mates, and, of course... drummers. I hate you dirty drummers. Since then I've been taking it a little TOO easy (My callouses are all but gone :(), but I still play whenever I get the urge and have a couple jam partners to mess around with when the mood strikes, but it's been a while since I've done anything serious. Now I'm just waiting for the opportunity to find a good band to play with - but alas, I'll have to wait a bit longer since I'm really trying relocate to a new state before 2012.

Just felt like throwing some of my experiences in this thread, creating music has been an outlet for my soul all my life, it's a fire that is incredibly hard to put out, even if it's just flickering at the moment.
 

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I think musicians are likely to be smokers (and lots of them likely to be addicted to something). I was lucky to be involved with guys who only skirted danger from potentially abusive substances. The drummer was also a school teacher with a Doctorate, who didn't drink. The rhythm player was a borderline alky with a Bachelors, but kept it under control and had a full time job in industrial outside sales. The keyboardist was known to partake of strange substances from time to time, but not while playing. And, the female singer sang in the choir at church and had 3 daughters. She was as straight as a ruler (kept us in line, also).

Musicians soon find that those who abuse end up without a job playing music and word gets around about dependability.
 
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