My Big Tobacco conspiracy theory.

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I have seen so many commercials for E-cigs pounding it home trying to tie E-cigs as cigarettes. I think big tobacco is doing this as a investment to group E-cigs in with tobacco products. Maybe I am being paranoid or something. I have two stores doing very well and dont want to see it end. I have witnessed so many people stop or cut down dramatically smoking tobacco it makes me feel like I am doing something good while cashing in. Every week I invest only one hundred dollars and give away 10-15 starter kits with juice to random people I see smoking on the street. It is better than advertising in a magazine.

Even if a law comes down banning me from selling juice labeling it as a tobacco product I wont stop because a jury with the right knowledge cant convict.
 

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I have seen so many commercials for E-cigs pounding it home trying to tie E-cigs as cigarettes. I think big tobacco is doing this as a investment to group E-cigs in with tobacco products. Maybe I am being paranoid or something. I have two stores doing very well and dont want to see it end. I have witnessed so many people stop or cut down dramatically smoking tobacco it makes me feel like I am doing something good while cashing in. Every week I invest only one hundred dollars and give away 10-15 starter kits with juice to random people I see smoking on the street. It is better than advertising in a magazine.

Even if a law comes down banning me from selling juice labeling it as a tobacco product I wont stop because a jury with the right knowledge cant convict.

That's awesome Larry!
I just saw my first BT vapegear commercial last night. The Vuse. Claimed to be the world's first digital ecig....um...what, really?!

Where are your stores? I come to Akron frequently for work. Might have to pay you a visit!!
 

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If the Deeming Regulations proposed by the FDA go into effect as currently written, they will give Big Tobacco a monopoly to the e-cig market and put all online and B&M shops out of business.

  • Banning all products whose design was created after 2007. This is every product that is not a cigarette-size battery using pre-filled cartridges (ie Blu and Vuse, made by Big Tobacco).

  • Banning all open container e-liquids. This includes bottled e-liquid which most vapers purchase online or in B&M shops.

  • Banning e-liquids which have fruit or candy flavors. Only tobacco or menthol flavors will be allowed.

  • Mandatory FDA approval process of all products designed after 2007. Expensive and time-consuming process for e-cigarette vendors. This setup was designed to make e-cigarette vendors fail, and help Big Tobacco with their current products. The FDA is not equipped with the staff required to evaluate every single product on the market.


Encourage all customers to join CASAA, our advocates against the FDA and protecting our right to use e-cigarettes.
 

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I have seen so many commercials for E-cigs pounding it home trying to tie E-cigs as cigarettes.

You say it yourself, e-cigs... e-cigarette. Even if we don't like it, an e-cig is considered a type of cigarette... but that doesn't mean it contains tobacco. There are other types of cigarettes like herbal, mint, etc... e-paper isn't made of paper... e-mail isn't mail as far as physical stuff being transported by the postal system etc,. and due to this I have conceded to agree that an e-cig is a cig, but a very special type. I don't think e-cig even means a vaporizer... it could burn leaf with a coil for all I care... actually, they had something like that once upon a time if I remember correctly. Although I concede to the term, I don't believe others have to. Due to confusions like this when "e" is put in front of another word France actually passed something or another years back in an attempt to get people to stop doing it and stick to native language words that meet the definition of the item.

I think big tobacco is doing this as a investment to group E-cigs in with tobacco products. Maybe I am being paranoid or something.

I agree with you and I don't think you are paranoid. If BT kills e-cigs through regulation and taxation, as far as they are concerned it's a win. If they can sell them and just compete, it's a win for them. What I think they are doing is trying to lump 'vaping' with 'e-cigs' with 'tobacco'. They want it all seen in the same boat right now... but only to a degree. The Vuze commercial says they are the most advanced, designed and made in the USA. I call BS on all three statements. BLU got in to tobacco shops by telling store owners it was made in the USA too... and maybe the ONE they had in their hand (prototype) was... but we all know as soon as orders were placed they started bringing them in from overseas.

But if someone were to call them out on it, then I think they would say there is a difference between AVP's like DNA powered devices and such, and the Vuze... hence Vuze are the most advanced e-cig. Don't tell me a device with a display and even a screensaver image or bluetooth control is less advanced than a remarketed/revamped BLU!

Every week I invest only one hundred dollars and give away 10-15 starter kits with juice to random people I see smoking on the street.
That's awesome and a double win. I don't have any stores as I don't do any business in vape products/etc (except buying of course)... but I do financially support the vaping of two other people. I supply all their juice and gear moving forward.

Even if a law comes down banning me from selling juice labeling it as a tobacco product I wont stop because a jury with the right knowledge cant convict.

Finally someone who gets it... a jury generally has the real power... and they have the ability to find someone not guilty based on not agreeing with the law itself. Although, that is assuming it goes to jury, all facts can be released, they don't bankrupt you in the process and that the judge doesn't overturn the jury decision... and, assuming tanks don't accidentally set your compound,... I mean building... on fire with you inside. Even if the point was to save innocent women and children from you by getting them out of your building ("doin' it for the children")... that doesn't prohibit killing everyone in a fire, because for some... that's another way to 'save' someone. You never know, they might find 'explosive chemicals' in your building and then blow up the evidence.


yeah, I probably took it to a new level there,...
 

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The biggest problem the Vaping community has is that the large majority of vapers are sitting back while the very small minority are active in the Vaping crusade.

Months ago, I went to a city council meeting, which was located in a community with a large vaping population. Needless to say, we were not represented well.
 
You say it yourself, e-cigs... e-cigarette. Even if we don't like it, an e-cig is considered a type of cigarette... but that doesn't mean it contains tobacco. There are other types of cigarettes like herbal, mint, etc... e-paper isn't made of paper... e-mail isn't mail as far as physical stuff being transported by the postal system etc,. and due to this I have conceded to agree that an e-cig is a cig, but a very special type. I don't think e-cig even means a vaporizer... it could burn leaf with a coil for all I care... actually, they had something like that once upon a time if I remember correctly. Although I concede to the term, I don't believe others have to. Due to confusions like this when "e" is put in front of another word France actually passed something or another years back in an attempt to get people to stop doing it and stick to native language words that meet the definition of the item.



I agree with you and I don't think you are paranoid. If BT kills e-cigs through regulation and taxation, as far as they are concerned it's a win. If they can sell them and just compete, it's a win for them. What I think they are doing is trying to lump 'vaping' with 'e-cigs' with 'tobacco'. They want it all seen in the same boat right now... but only to a degree. The Vuze commercial says they are the most advanced, designed and made in the USA. I call BS on all three statements. BLU got in to tobacco shops by telling store owners it was made in the USA too... and maybe the ONE they had in their hand (prototype) was... but we all know as soon as orders were placed they started bringing them in from overseas.

But if someone were to call them out on it, then I think they would say there is a difference between AVP's like DNA powered devices and such, and the Vuze... hence Vuze are the most advanced e-cig. Don't tell me a device with a display and even a screensaver image or bluetooth control is less advanced than a remarketed/revamped BLU!


That's awesome and a double win. I don't have any stores as I don't do any business in vape products/etc (except buying of course)... but I do financially support the vaping of two other people. I supply all their juice and gear moving forward.



Finally someone who gets it... a jury generally has the real power... and they have the ability to find someone not guilty based on not agreeing with the law itself. Although, that is assuming it goes to jury, all facts can be released, they don't bankrupt you in the process and that the judge doesn't overturn the jury decision... and, assuming tanks don't accidentally set your compound,... I mean building... on fire with you inside. Even if the point was to save innocent women and children from you by getting them out of your building ("doin' it for the children")... that doesn't prohibit killing everyone in a fire, because for some... that's another way to 'save' someone. You never know, they might find 'explosive chemicals' in your building and then blow up the evidence.


yeah, I probably took it to a new level there,...
Good post.....One good thing is I have multiple businesses and My vape stores practically have no overhead so I will fight back for sure. I have a lengthy record " Im not proud of" and would enjoy a fight with the law especially when we have facts on our side.
 

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Op that's incredible and so nice of you helping people out! I wish I was in the position to do the same! A smoking friend of mine showed a intrest in vaping but she lives in another state and we message each other. I'd love to be able to get her address and send her a kit but money is too tight. Last time we talked she showed a big intrest but she does not have a lot of money either . Anyway, what type doin is so great! ! God bless you for helping out other people!!
 

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Larry,

I'm not 100% on how the rules work, so I'm just sayin...

If you haven't already, you will want to go through the vendor/supplier process here at ECF, even if you are here just as a member...

I'm betting you already know this stuff and are probably just in the approval state... but here is a quick link to more info Suppliers. Maybe you already completed this, I just didn't see the title tag by your name, so thought I would mention it.
 
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