My Boba's clone
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Could not agree more. People think that a juice has changed, or has a really complex flavor, sometimes this, sometimes that - when the only things that have changed are the food and drink which they have recently consumed and/or the state of their atomizer. In my own case, using cartomizers, there is a distinct change in the taste of boba's and all other juices as the coils start to get gunked up. And as with many other juices there is a perceptible change in taste as the liquid level falls from full to almost empty.
A year or so ago I was given a present - a box of Royal Peking Jelly. On examination I discovered the box contained about 24 vials of honey, each about 12ml of liquid about the same viscoscity as 50:50 PG:VG. I put the box away on the top shelf in the pantry. But then I started vaping Boba's and soon started searching for a clone. Few people mention the honey taste of boba's but that exactly describes what I always get on the exhale. So I tried a bit of the honey - 1 drop per ml of clone #7 was my first experiment. Amazing! So I now always add a bit to my own clone failures and it generally improves them, but still no comparison to the real thing!
My latest attempt consists of RY4, Camel, Cherry Ripe, Red coke - and a few drops of the honey. Fist tasting was as close as I have ever come, but I had added too much Pepsi. Nevertheless, I'm going to let it sit for several days in the pantry, next to the Royal Jelly, then try it with trembling fingers. And, for the record, I got the idea for the basic recipe from a post in this forum - actually searching through trying to find it again when I stumbled on your post - still looking. Thanks to the other guy anyway if I don't manage to find your post.
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I think we may have solved part of the bobas riddle.
So lets recap what we all taste in Bobas.
Caramel and vanilla = that's RY4
Cherry and cream = that's Gold and Silver
Raisin = that could be Turkish Blend or Desert Ship
Note: Although these are sold in the USA as mostly PG based flavors there are similar VG versions available here and abroad.
Now we need our natural sugar. This is where Ben tricks our mind into thinking that we taste graham crackers or cinnamon danish when in fact it is so simple!
What better natural sugar than honey! Yes I mean real natural honey, not the TFA perfume stuff. In my preliminary mixes it only takes about 3-5 drops of honey in a 30ml batch. This gives it that tasty sweetness to your tongue but also makes Bobas the coil killer. And so now we have both, our extracts that gives us our tobacco molecules and our natural sugars that allows for the fermentation.
So the final ingredient then is the cinnamon flavoring. My guess here is that it could be a very small amount of Red hot cinnamon (candy type flavor) or the regular (medium) cinnamon flavor, but not the cinnamon spice(too strong).
So many of you are the original contributors to this endeavor so I'm sharing this info early and if you are willing to help perhaps we can hammer out some tasty formulas based on my speculations.
I'm right with you, sir.
This afternoon (Land of Oz time) I made the first of my attempted "clones" to show real promise. Ingredients:
RY4
Camel
Cherry Ripe (for the chocolate and coconut)
Red Cola
and, my "secret ingredient", just kidding,
Royal Peking Jelly (= HONEY - a liquid with a consistency similar to VG, probably a bit less viscous)
No idea where to start with proportions but I decided to start with 70% of tobaccos, 20% Cherry Ripe and 10% coke, with each of these ingredients having been pre-mixed to give 12mg juices at approx 80% PG. Honey at 1 or 2 drops per ml of the final liquid according to taste has become a recent habit when I'm pursuing the elusive look and feel of BB. When I made up each of the individual ingredients I ended up with less Camel than RY4. So the final mix was:
RY4 40%
Camel 30% \
Cherry Ripe 20%
Red Cola 10%
All 12mg, mostly PG because I was short of VG - probably close to 80:20. Plan to go for a 50:50 next time, after tweaking.
Then I added 2 drops of honey per 3 ml of the final liquid. (Planning to increase after steeping as necessary).
All up, I made 90ml, kept 4ml for "immediate testing", and have set aside the balance to steep for a few days.
Notes: The RY4 and Camel concentrates were Chinese and have a recommended usage of 15 - 25%. I used 20% for each one.
The Cherry Ripe and Coke were 0 nic "doublers" bought from a local supplier. The honey was an expensive present which I didn't know what to do with - until now. I'm sure there are many alternatives, both real honey and flavor concentrates.
My impressions of the first test sample which I have been vaping for about 8 hours alongside genuine 12mg Boba's are:
1. Too much Cola
2. Not enough honey
3. It's not Boba's but it's the closest thing to Boba's which I have produced (and I've tried almost every ECF recipe which I could find, including #7 which I believe to be the best of them).
This is very promising and I can hardly wait to try it (and tweak) after steeping.
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I am all support to new recipes. This is what the thread is all about. Good luck.
Odd you are bringing up dirty nic. I just recieved 2/250ml of 'Nude Nic' because I am trying to get a cleaner vape. My thinking was the nic I was using had to much of the cinnamon flavor (from WL) and throwing the taste. I'm thinking lower %'s of variant flavors in my mixes would than not be overwhelmed and maybe the subtle flavors in BB would surface. Pretty neat tho..your father vapes vg/nic. Mine is 74 and still smokes his MB, 2 or 3 a day...he's slowed down allot. I'd love to get him to vape but that MB keeps his youth in him
Yeah, leave him alone. I'm in my 70's like your dad - the last thing he needs is a major change to his smoking habit coupled with the many frustrations associated with vaping. I started vaping, having quit analogs many years earlier, in order to encourage my partner to stop. No hope - charging batteries, juice in the mouth, filling tanks etc etc. - it was all too much for her. It's bad enough when you really want to quit, impossible if you don't really want to. The result was she still smokes and coughs while I puff away happily blowing clouds of flavored steam into the atmosphere out of my exotic devices which just make her laugh. Of course, I'm now addicted to nicotine again but who cares - at least I broke my post-quitting addiction to Turkish delight and Cherry Ripes and made my doctor happy by losing 7 kg. But, like I said, I was a non smoker when I took it up and I can absolutely guarantee that I never would have given up my Camels to take up vaping - well, maybe, if somebody had given me bobas in a cigarette sized device which had enough battery life and liquid capacity to let me chain vape all day long....
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Try the Black Jack flavoring, NOT the premade juice, you may just be surprised, it IS part of Bobas...
ccwaters, I believe you are on to something. I've been searching through another forum and found some interesting postings that brought me to this pre-made juice called Black Jack Plus or previously called Black & Mild: Black Jack Plus E-Liquid
I believe the reason the flavor changes in BB is from the wine flavoring. In another forum Ben praises Dawn for nailing the Black & Mild ejuice on 12/2009. I bet Ben made something similar and added another Tobacco flavor which explains why it can't be in zero nic.
I believe the reason the flavor changes in BB is from the wine flavoring. In another forum Ben praises Dawn for nailing the Black & Mild ejuice on 12/2009. I bet Ben made something similar and added another Tobacco flavor which explains why it can't be in zero nic.
I knew you mentioned this awhile back and dug it up....I don't think anyone is going to ignore it this time. I believe you are right. I think the other tobacco flavor is TA.OK, I've hinted at this a while back, I feel most of Bobas taste can be attributed to the pictured flavor. I really think if you add the other tobacco elements to this you have it. This was mentioned, and quickly dismissed back around post 1800, I think that was a mistake. as far as I know it is not offered as a concentrate, but it is a pretty strong flavor, and pretty good mixed at about 10% . I'll also add I asked what the carrier was for this, did not get an answer, I believe it is mostly VG, its too thick to be PG. Another interesting point is you won't find this anywhere on DIYFS site. Maybe it is 40% because this is not a concentrate no idea, but to my buds, nose, etc, this is a big part of it.
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I dug this up too from Aheadatime and that tangy/alcoholic/fruity could be DIYFS Expert Beer or Brandy flavoring. Man on man, I do feel like we are very very close to a clone version that we can make in any vg/pg ratio and a zero nic version.
To me, when I got the first bottle of the flavoring, it had many of the qualities I find in Bobas, the smell is the first clue, Bobas has a certain smell which for lack of better description, sharp, tingles my nose, maybe slightly smoky. Taste, many of the flavors described by others are there. This is definitely not all that is in Bobas, but I do believe it accounts for the majority of flavor.
When you crack open the bottle, add some nic to it, and some VG, it is pretty tasty, and I enjoy it just as a stand alone. I've not had the time to mess around adding other Tobaccos to it, but expect if someone takes the time to do so, it won't be long and we'll have something very close to the real deal.
I don't think the juice will ever be replicated with all those various flavors people are trying to add. I believe when Ben said it is a simple recipe he was being truthful.
I stand behind my statement, Black Jack Tobacco flavoring IS a very big part of Bobas.
When you crack open the bottle, add some nic to it, and some VG, it is pretty tasty, and I enjoy it just as a stand alone. I've not had the time to mess around adding other Tobaccos to it, but expect if someone takes the time to do so, it won't be long and we'll have something very close to the real deal.
I don't think the juice will ever be replicated with all those various flavors people are trying to add. I believe when Ben said it is a simple recipe he was being truthful.
I stand behind my statement, Black Jack Tobacco flavoring IS a very big part of Bobas.
I truly hope you are right!. I'm now out of Boba's and it is a real pain getting supplies to Australia, the main problem being Ben's apparent lack of interest in shipping the elixir internationally. My latest small shipment from an (unofficial) forwarding agency seems to have disappeared in parts unknown - I'm already getting withdrawal symptoms as well as being somewhat disenchanted by the probable loss of more than $100.
As to Black Jack, can you (or anybody) identify any significant difference between it and TFA's stuff either as a stand-alone vape or as part of a recipe?
Phanto- I will PM you a link to someone who may have made an inspired version in your neck of the woods. Btw, I was editing my post with a detailed theory on why it's called Boba Bounty and what I think are the ingredients but it was accidently erased while switching apps on my Ipad. So here is a short a sweet:I think the 3 Tobacco components is TA, Dawn's B&M, and Captain Black Cigar.The fruity/tangy components is Black Cherry and some type of Spiced Rum/Whisky/Wine/Beer flavor.Attached is someone's artwork that fits what BB is all about. Now can someone ask Ben if we're on the right track.
Now can someone ask Ben if we're on the right track. Attachments
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...... So here is a short a sweet:I think the 3 Tobacco components is TA, Dawn's B&M, and Captain Black Cigar.The fruity/tangy components is Black Cherry and some type of Spiced Rum/Whisky/Wine/Beer flavor.Attached is someone's artwork that fits what BB is all about.
I think it's now just an intellectual challenge - you guys have nailed the taste close enough to satisfy people like myself who just want something similar which has the added flexibility of anything between all PG and all VG. I can just imagine myself settling down with a good cigar, gobbling up a few cherries and washing them down with a nice rum and coke - I can also imagine doing it in the company of a nice young lady - but I'll settle for a pleasant vape. Thanks to all who have made positive contributions towards this outcome.
PS: I've made a couple of "not boba's but not bads" myself using TFA concentrates and, more recently, some weaker concentrates from China. Earlier this evening I dug out another of those called Cherry Pipe. So, tomorrow, I'll try the Cherry Pipe as a stand alone juice and, if OK, make another experiment with that plus some combinations of RY4, Camel, Mild Black Pipe (TFA), Perique, vanilla, cola, rum, Boston Cream and, maybe, a drop or two of Royal Peking Jelly to tweak the exhale if necessary. Limiting each batch, of course, to three tobaccos and two non-tobaccos. Well, it keeps me off the streets and costs me nothing but time because I've accumulated all these ingredients, and many more, over the last year. Time to get some value out of them! Many thanks for the encouragement and the pointer to an old running mate N here in Land of Oz.
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I can tell the diff: But you got the show on the road and I'll be forever grateful for that. Chapeau, my good Man
Yeah, me too. Costs about $1 per ml including postage. And my last order for 180 ml (6 x 30) has gone missing! Gotta ring DHL Global Customer Service in USA tonight after 10pm to see if they can help with the tracking. Now down to my last dregs of BB. Fortunately have a clone failure which is still a reasonable vape - hope I really get to like it then maybe I'll be able to break completely free of BB. Said more in hope than expectation, I'm not that lucky.
That's as good as any other suggestion. But as far as I'm concerned, Ben said 3 tobaccos and two non-tobaccos. I can add that up to 5 secret ingredients - anybody know the four others?
Lol i fulfilled the burden of proof so far to the best of my abilities by listing my premises and coming to a conclusion.
ergo:
if A,B,C,D .'. E:
A
B
C
D
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E
You now have the burden of proving me wrong and if your best argument is ad hoc, then that is quite foolish rofl. If you wish to debate logic with me feel free
Prove you wrong? It's alphabet soup, not boba's. Join a debating society and stop wasting our time.
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