My Boba's clone

[buffaloguy]

Actually NamVet, subver has an issue here that may not be related to flavorings at all. There is a very distinct difference between the flavor of raw vg vs. raw pg. However the funny thing is that the only people Ive found that notice this difference in great propensity are the folks that started vaping high VG juices from the beginning of their ecig/apv experience.

I started buying juices at my local shop. There the are a high VG shop. Everything os at least 70%vg or higher. When I started making my own juices I continued to use high VG. Then I said, gee I guess people swear by high PG so Ill try it. I did, for a week. I struggled to find something good about it. I wanted to like it... to this day... I just cant. I also learned in that time I was really sensitive to high PG. I get really crushing headaches with high PG. I can tolerate maybe 25% at most in a juice.

Yeah, Ive used purfumey flavors. We all have... but PG seems (again especially to long time VG vapers) to taste off. Its not purfumey to me at all but rather extremely stale tasting. Like it sat around six months too long even tho it was just made. I wish I could describe better what its like but the best Ive come up with is.... stale, or just "off". Most everyone Ive talked to that started vaping on high vg juice agrees with me.

I wonder is maybe that is what Subver means?

 

[NamVet68]

Agree Mr Buffalo... He may be referring tho the flavor of PG itself. I also primarily vape VG because it produces better vapor, and I just like the flavor of it better.....even though PG is a better flavor carrier, I generally use as little as I can get away with. A little PG helps a bit with the "cotton mouth" effect of VG (it seems to coat my tongue even when I drink lots of water), but too much and I get a sore throat.

PG & VG have a bit of flavor themselves, though it it very subtle, it most definitely effects the flavor of a juice. Even the type/brand/origin of the VG itself can effect the flavor. When I ordered from Virgin Vapor, EVERY one of their juices had a very distinctive background flavor that I don't really care for. They use 100% Organic VG in all their juices, and there's something in there that just isn't my cup-of-tea. They are a great vendor and all, but there's something about the VG they use that ruins it for me.

I've gotten pure VG from a couple of different sources, and they are all subtly different...I guess it depends on what plants are used to manufacture the Vegetable Glycerin...Once I find one I like, I usually stick with it. Surprisingly, other than my Nic juice (100%VG) my main DIY VG is actually from CVS Pharmacy that I find in the body lotion section! (Pure Vegetable Glycerine USP). It's cheap (around $5.50 for 6oz/177ml), fresh and easy to get when I need it, and I don't have to pay shipping....and most important; it produces huge clouds of vapor and I like the flavor of it.

Part of the appeal of DIY to me is being able to tune my juices to exactly match the characteristics I'm interested in, not just purely the flavor of the juice itself..... always interesting

 

[subver]

Actually NamVet, subver has an issue here that may not be related to flavorings at all. There is a very distinct difference between the flavor of raw vg vs. raw pg. However the funny thing is that the only people Ive found that notice this difference in great propensity are the folks that started vaping high VG juices from the beginning of their ecig/apv experience.

I started buying juices at my local shop. There the are a high VG shop. Everything os at least 70%vg or higher. When I started making my own juices I continued to use high VG. Then I said, gee I guess people swear by high PG so Ill try it. I did, for a week. I struggled to find something good about it. I wanted to like it... to this day... I just cant. I also learned in that time I was really sensitive to high PG. I get really crushing headaches with high PG. I can tolerate maybe 25% at most in a juice.

Yeah, Ive used purfumey flavors. We all have... but PG seems (again especially to long time VG vapers) to taste off. Its not purfumey to me at all but rather extremely stale tasting. Like it sat around six months too long even tho it was just made. I wish I could describe better what its like but the best Ive come up with is.... stale, or just "off". Most everyone Ive talked to that started vaping on high vg juice agrees with me.

I wonder is maybe that is what Subver means?

Wow, interesting. I did start off my vaping career with Boba's Bounty, and stuck with that for 2 years. And to this day the only other juices I don't taste it in is from Velvet Cloud Vapor, who uses VG and distilled water, no PG.
I still want to try more PG juices, and I still probably have a couple I haven't tried yet at my house, so I remain hopeful...

One thing I wish I did was order a small amount of PG nic liquid when I ordered from Wizard Labs and then just try tasting that by itself. Actually my order didn't ship yet, so maybe I can sneak some in quick to test it!

#EDIT: well I just added 60ml of PG nic liquid, hopefully they get it in time before my order ships out. I've been hearing there are some delays with WL because they are so busy lately.

 

[subver]

Also, does anyone know if the Cinnamon Danish Swirl will crack plastic? I'm using an Ithaka with the small plastic window... maybe I will have to get the metal part he's making..

 

[BlueSnake]

Also, does anyone know if the Cinnamon Danish Swirl will crack plastic? I'm using an Ithaka with the small plastic window... maybe I will have to get the metal part he's making..

No worries.

 

[subver]

Hey guys I just got my LorAnn flavors in the mail... For SloHands #7 clone it calls for LorAnn Almond Oil... I just want to make sure I got the right one because my invoice said "Almond Oil (Bitter)" - this is the almond flavor I got

Here's the photo:

Please tell me I got the right one
I see there is a Sweet Almond as well as a Natural Almond listed on their site (this one was listed as just plain Almond Oil, so I assumed it was the right one)

Thanks guys!

#EDIT: Checked with SloHand - it's the right Almond.. phew!

 

[bogeyjim]

I hope so cuz that's the same one I just received in the mail. Capellas and wizard labs both shipped today finally! Super excited to try this blend out!

 

[Levitas]

Just as a disclaimer, for those who wish to try some of these clones in this thread:

None of the recipes in this thread come overly close to Boba's Bounty (if you haven't tried BB, or have had it recently). Slohand's #7 is a good recipe, and I enjoyed it, but it isn't Boba's Bounty (I'm saying that purely objectively, no insults to Slohand).

For those asking: Black & Mild isn't necessary for making a Boba's clone, because honestly, I don't believe it to be an actual ingredient in Boba's. In fact, I find that one of the missing ingredients to making the clone is the tobacco used. I've said this many times in the past, but I'll reiterate it in the spirit of recent posts. I believe that Ave is using a tobacco extract in their tobacco blends. Meaning, either they, or someone they know, is naturally extracting tobacco(s), and using it in their tobacco blends. The evidence is overwhelming pointing towards this, but I cannot prove it. Nor can I prove how they're extracting the tobacco, and which tobacco being used.

With all of that being said. If you're coming into this thread expecting something identical to Boba's, you should just press Alt + <--, and continue on. If you're coming into this thread in hopes of finding some really decent recipes that have been helping people stave off their want for Boba's Bounty, then by all means, enjoy!

Final disclaimer: The above isn't said to discourage anyone from trying these recipes. And I'm definitely not trying to discourage everyone from continuing to pursue future clones! I'm just giving ya'll a heads up on the real

 

[Aal_]

Well said ...

 

[SloHand]

None of the recipes in this thread come overly close to Boba's Bounty (if you haven't tried BB, or have had it recently). Slohand's #7 is a good recipe, and I enjoyed it, but it isn't Boba's Bounty (I'm saying that purely objectively, no insults to Slohand).

None taken Levitas. Well said indeed!

Funny thing is that I haven't posted here much lately as I've been experimenting wit NET's LOL. Dam tobacco is expensive! But you get a ton of flavor out of a small amount.

 

[bogeyjim]

Unbelievable, this after 75 bucks spent on supplies.... Oh well, aint the first time

 

[FACE MEAT]

Don't get discouraged. You may like your DIY better than Boba's.

 

[glassmanoak]

Unbelievable, this after 75 bucks spent on supplies.... Oh well, aint the first time

Don't be discouraged!!! Remember, some juices require long steep periods.. some a few days or weeks even.. Also, tobaccos generally require longer steeping.
Also, individual tastes differ. You might start with one ingredient and keep adding.
Personally, I've never mixed a complex recipe invented by another person that I loved right off the bat. It takes lots of tweaking to get any juice where you want it to be. There are many excellent recipes in this thread.
Good Luck and keep plugging along! You'll never reinvent Boba's, but you can get some fantastic juice along the way!

One man's Pot Of Gold is another man's Pizz Pot

 

[VIPOD]

If you're coming into this thread in hopes of finding some really decent recipes that have been helping people stave off their want for Boba's Bounty, then by all means, enjoy!

That's been my aspiration . The DIY experience started soon after I began vaping in '09. Decided to simply quit because I couldn't be bothered. However, the curiosity behind BB mix has brought be back in the fold. I'm glad I did. Finished by first batch of "my version" of BB's with #7, but used different flavor companies. I have several different types of tobacco bases, and will be using them for several different versions. I could care less if it's the exact same, not my motivation. However, I noticed that for many of the mixes, the very early formula seems incredible. I look forward to the steeping, and plan on sampling them every week....perhaps the fun of DIY is back for this old vaper

 

[Joer0952]

Hello, new to diy and wanted to try one of the boba like clones but the black and mild plus from ecig express is sold out, anyone know a good substitute?

 

[Aal_]

OK my first attempt at Slohands #7. How long are you steeping and how? My first impression is that the black and mile is taking over.

 

[subver]

OK my first attempt at Slohands #7. How long are you steeping and how? My first impression is that the black and mile is taking over.

From what I've read in this thread people are just letting it sit for a week
Did you use the Black and Mile plus or just regular Black and Mile?
I haven't made #7 yet (still waiting for ingredients in the mail) but I am curious.

 

[Aal_]

From what I've read in this thread people are just letting it sit for a week
Did you use the Black and Mile plus or just regular Black and Mile?
I haven't made #7 yet (still waiting for ingredients in the mail) but I am curious.

Used the regular black mile. I tried the OP version at first, it was good but not enough. Lets see what this will bring. I know I won't get boba but hopefully a good alternative. I have hated vaping since boba stopped being produced.

 

[Jshill520]

For those asking: Black & Mild isn't necessary for making a Boba's clone, because honestly, I don't believe it to be an actual ingredient in Boba's. In fact, I find that one of the missing ingredients to making the clone is the tobacco used. I've said this many times in the past, but I'll reiterate it in the spirit of recent posts. I believe that Ave is using a tobacco extract in their tobacco blends. Meaning, either they, or someone they know, is naturally extracting tobacco(s), and using it in their tobacco blends. The evidence is overwhelming pointing towards this, but I cannot prove it. Nor can I prove how they're extracting the tobacco, and which tobacco being used

I'm 100% with you on this lev. I think the recipe is much simpler than what we are seeing in this thread. I think the bulk of the flavor comes from the tobacco extract itself with little need for the other flavors. Some pipe or cigar tobacco can taste really sweet or chocolaty. Idk why people keep saying bb is not a net. I think it is

 

[Blackbeard]

Hello, new to diy and wanted to try one of the boba like clones but the black and mild plus from ecig express is sold out, anyone know a good substitute?

Again, I'm posting to state my position here on this particular flavoring. I realize this is a BB clone thread, so it may be a little off track. Maybe I should start a new thread labeled "Black and Mile recipe" or something because this thread is way too long already and there's not a lot of new ideas popping out lately.

The recipe #7 seems to be the most popular of all the recipes in this thread. It uses a relatively expensive flavor (compared to my WL flavorings). For now, it's simply cheaper to order from one or two suppliers for flavorings. If I were to spend tons on shipping, etc to get what's called for, I may as well buy the real stuff and not play around with all of the experimentation. I like the experimental phase of this, but I'm still the cheap ... that wants to save money. I've never tried Black and Mild cigars, so I don't know what they should taste like, and I haven't tried the flavor, Black and Mile, which I'm guessing is trying to mimic those cigars. Staying away from real tobacco products (analogs) is the goal here for me.

So if once and for all someone might be able to provide a recipe for the Black and Mile, even just a suggestion that gets me started in the right direction, because as Levitas says, there won't be a perfect clone of BB, I'd really appreciate the pointers.