My Boba's clone

[buffaloguy]

While Ive never seen a chem analysis of TA, one may be available thru TPA. In my conversation with Linda she had said that the FDA had just classified it as a toxic substance. However she did not believe it was for a health reaaon although she didnt know why at the time.

TA is made from the discarded portions of the tobacco plant. Not the leaves. So the stems, stalks, etc. There is a very refined process it goes thru to become TA. This is also why it becomes nicotine free. The nic doesnt survive the extraction process. Theres alot of info out there on how absolutes are made. Im sure a chem analysis could be found.

As far as bad chemicals? Not sure what your concern is specifically. If your question is "is it bad for me in some way?" I have no idea. However, little is known about any flavorings, extracts, NETs, or other things we use so Ill just give the general disclaimer and say be as educated as possible about what you vape.

I have no problems using it.

Does this mean TA from TPA has bad chemicals?

 

[Aal_]

While Ive never seen a chem analysis of TA, one may be available thru TPA. In my conversation with Linda she had said that the FDA had just classified it as a toxic substance. However she did not believe it was for a health reaaon although she didnt know why at the time.

TA is made from the discarded portions of the tobacco plant. Not the leaves. So the stems, stalks, etc. There is a very refined process it goes thru to become TA. This is also why it becomes nicotine free. The nic doesnt survive the extraction process. Theres alot of info out there on how absolutes are made. Im sure a chem analysis could be found.

As far as bad chemicals? Not sure what your concern is specifically. If your question is "is it bad for me in some way?" I have no idea. However, little is known about any flavorings, extracts, NETs, or other things we use so Ill just give the general disclaimer and say be as educated as possible about what you vape.

I have no problems using it.

Thanks for the extensive reply. Well I'm trying to know because I want to stay away as much as possible from chemicals that are proven to be bad. I know the safest way to Vape is not to Vape at all. But as you said I'm trying to stay educated. If all NETs have chemicals that are, then I would steer away from them like what I did when steering away from alcohol containing liquids and diacetyl containing liquids. Does black mile from ecigexpress is considered a NET as well?

 

[Aheadatime]

The safest way to vape *imo* would be unflavored, 100% VG nic/base diluted with 15% distilled water (not because VG is 'safe', but because PG seems to cause allergic reactions in a percentage of vapers whereas VG *seems* to be more user friendly). If you're adding flavors, alcohol, dyes, etc, logically speaking you're only increasing the risk regarding unknown factors.

 

[buffaloguy]

While an over abundance of caution is a good thing, it can also limit your experience vaping quite a bit. Now if you dont mind doing that Im all for it. For me personally I stay away from "known" substances that we are sure about. Diacetyl is a good example of that.

Nothing at ecigexpress is a NET as far as I know. And their black and mile is alcohol based flavoring. I used to buy flavorings there. I no longer order from them. They have lost my business for good.

As far as not vaping flavorings with alcohol Im not sure of your concern. Those are some of the best flavorings available out there. Ive used them more than a year with no ill effects. Could they be bad for ya? Sure, but so can a car turning a corner as you step into the crosswalk.

Im not saying we shouldnt limit exposure to baddies... Ill stick to what I know as baddies, not the questionable ones or those we dont have enuff info on. If something sounds bad enuff I wont vape it. Now back to our regularaly scheduled debate and trials on what the heck is bobas made from!

Thanks for the extensive reply. Well I'm trying to know because I want to stay away as much as possible from chemicals that are proven to be bad. I know the safest way to Vape is not to Vape at all. But as you said I'm trying to stay educated. If all NETs have chemicals that are, then I would steer away from them like what I did when steering away from alcohol containing liquids and diacetyl containing liquids. Does black mile from ecigexpress is considered a NET as well?

 

[john333]

The safest way to vape *imo* would be unflavored, 100% VG nic/base diluted with 15% distilled water (not because VG is 'safe', but because PG seems to cause allergic reactions in a percentage of vapers whereas VG *seems* to be more user friendly). If you're adding flavors, alcohol, dyes, etc, logically speaking you're only increasing the risk regarding unknown factors.

agree. I vape unflavored 12.5 mg nic at 60/40 pg/vg. It never clogs a coil even after months of use. If it doesn't effect the coil at the source I doubt it has any impact on the human body other than delivering some nicotine.

 

[FLExJuice]

The safest way to vape *imo* would be unflavored, 100% VG nic/base diluted with 15% distilled water (not because VG is 'safe', but because PG seems to cause allergic reactions in a percentage of vapers whereas VG *seems* to be more user friendly). If you're adding flavors, alcohol, dyes, etc, logically speaking you're only increasing the risk regarding unknown factors.

But that's not as fun to clone. I was vaping BB this afternoon and the raisiny note is gone and I get more of a dominate graham cracker with a touch of honey.

 

[Startle]

And that's the biggest mystery. If we are believing Ben (which I do), then what other factor, aside of an extract, could make it impossible to offer the tobacco juices in 0mg?

Figure that out, and we might be closer to figuring vital information.

Spot on Levitas!

There is no other factor aside from an Extract that meet the criteria of that statement. If he didn't want to make a zero nic version for other reasons he would have said so. I too believe him when he says that he can't and surely it would not be a good business decision to sell a product claimed to be nicotine free if it did contain traces of nicotine.

My next question is why is Boba's now being labeled as containing PG? This would indicate that at least one of the flavorings are PG based which makes sense because I have not found a cinnamon danish/roll flavor that is vg based.

Here's what I'm talking about:



All the bottles of varying nic percentages I received state the same. What's up with that?

 

[Levitas]

None of his 8 tobacco flavors are available in 0 mg, do you really think they're all NET based?

The chances of it being a NET, in VG, from 2009 are very very very slim. In my mind, nearly impossible. It just wasnt being done like that back then.

I'm not saying one way or the other. I'm asking everyone, if it's not an extract, then what else could be the cause for his inability to offer 0mg nic. I PM'd Ben very recently asking if I could obtain 0mg Boba's due to my future employer drug testing for nicotine (yes, they do that unfortunately). He told me that they gave it the old college try, but it simply isn't feasible.

Again, what else is there? I'm open minded here.

My next question is why is Boba's now being labeled as containing PG? This would indicate that at least one of the flavorings are PG based which makes sense because I have not found a cinnamon danish/roll flavor that is vg based.

What's up with that?

Ben made mention that the labels don't reflect each juice individually, rather, they're sort of a universal ingredient list that encompasses all possible juices that he sells (and that includes his PG-line). People started a ruckus about it in his Sub-forum, so he said once these labels were used up, he was going to use specific ingredient lists for the VG-line and PG-line. Soon enough you'll no longer see PG on your ingredient list for the VG-line.

 

[Startle]

I'm not saying one way or the other. I'm asking everyone, if it's not an extract, then what else could be the cause for his inability to offer 0mg nic. I PM'd Ben very recently asking if I could obtain 0mg Boba's due to my future employer drug testing for nicotine (yes, they do that unfortunately). He told me that they gave it the old college try, but it simply isn't feasible.

Again, what else is there? I'm open minded here.



Ben made mention that the labels don't reflect each juice individually, rather, they're sort of a universal ingredient list that encompasses all possible juices that he sells (and that includes his PG-line). People started a ruckus about it in his Sub-forum, so he said once these labels were used up, he was going to use specific ingredient lists for the VG-line and PG-line. Soon enough you'll no longer see PG on your ingredient list for the VG-line.

Thanks for the clarification on the labels! I don't get why they would keep running the labels as instead of correcting them immediately but apparently they can get away with it so be it if that's the case.

Regarding the net or no net question I have sent them an inquiry so we'll see what the reply is to that. I encourage others to do the same.

 

[Levitas]

Thanks for the clarification on the labels! I don't get why they would keep running the labels as instead of correcting them immediately but apparently they can get away with it so be it if that's the case.

Regarding the net or no net question I have sent them an inquiry so we'll see what the reply is to that. I encourage others to do the same.

They probably just bought a decent amount of the pre-made labels from a company, and want to use them up before using the new ones (as not to waste money, ya know?)

 

[Startle]

Steeped the Borkum Riff Cherry Cavendish in VG for a full 3 days.

The net is very dark - near black.

Blended as follows:

60% vg (no nic or distilled water added yet but of course both will be in the finished product)
37% net
3% Cinnamon Danish Swirl (used Cappellas though most likely not the actual one its the closest I have on hand)

Results - So so so close. Vaping them side by side and they are so darn close. There is a fruit missing. I think it's either lorann cherry or lorann raspberry. Leaning more towards the raspberry now for some reason. Unfortunately I don't have either on hand so I need to order. The red color of the fruit flavor is also what is needed to match the color of bobas.

So definitely a fruit needs to be added which could mean that instead of cherry cavendish the base could be just black cavendish. As is though its so close I'm not sure how much of a difference it would make.

I also think the cinnamon danish swirl % may come down a bit to 2-2.5 % depending on the fruit % needed.

First I want to get the correct color and ingredients and tweak the %'s from there.

 

[savagemann]

Steeped the Borkum Riff Cherry Cavendish in VG for a full 3 days.

The net is very dark - near black.

Blended as follows:

60% vg (no nic or distilled water added yet but of course both will be in the finished product)
37% net
3% Cinnamon Danish Swirl (used Cappellas though most likely not the actual one its the closest I have on hand)

Results - So so so close. Vaping them side by side and they are so darn close. There is a fruit missing. I think it's either lorann cherry or lorann raspberry. Leaning more towards the raspberry now for some reason. Unfortunately I don't have either on hand so I need to order. The red color of the fruit flavor is also what is needed to match the color of bobas.

So definitely a fruit needs to be added which could mean that instead of cherry cavendish the base could be just black cavendish. As is though its so close I'm not sure how much of a difference it would make.

I also think the cinnamon danish swirl % may come down a bit to 2-2.5 % depending on the fruit % needed.

First I want to get the correct color and ingredients and tweak the %'s from there.

Gonna have to try this!

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[NamVet68]

Steeped the Borkum Riff Cherry Cavendish in VG for a full 3 days.

The net is very dark - near black.

Blended as follows:

60% vg (no nic or distilled water added yet but of course both will be in the finished product)
37% net
3% Cinnamon Danish Swirl (used Cappellas though most likely not the actual one its the closest I have on hand)

Results - So so so close. Vaping them side by side and they are so darn close. There is a fruit missing. I think it's either lorann cherry or lorann raspberry. Leaning more towards the raspberry now for some reason. Unfortunately I don't have either on hand so I need to order. The red color of the fruit flavor is also what is needed to match the color of bobas.

So definitely a fruit needs to be added which could mean that instead of cherry cavendish the base could be just black cavendish. As is though its so close I'm not sure how much of a difference it would make.

I also think the cinnamon danish swirl % may come down a bit to 2-2.5 % depending on the fruit % needed.

First I want to get the correct color and ingredients and tweak the %'s from there.

Sounds like a nice vape.. I wouldn't get too hung up on matching the color of Boba's though...you are after flavor - not esthetics. My primary "tobacco base" (Scubabatdan's recipe: TOB506 Commercial Cigarette Concentrate, Cotton Candy, and Tobacco Absolute-Pure), when diluted to 10%, is almost clear initially (changes over time).

IMHO, the color of the clone is really just a potential indicator of the ingredients Ben uses in Bobas, but it's only important if you are trying to get an EXACT clone of BB. I think there's something in his juice that's either made up especially for him, or something completely off-the-wall (I still think it a NET of some type).

 

[VIPOD]

Could you guys and gals point me to the #7 recipe?
My google fu is very weak on my phone and Tapatalk!

Here you go:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/353176-my-bobas-clone-42.html

 

[SimboSlice]

I would also consider lorann naturals blueberry since he (ben) has quite a few blueberry e-liquids that he sells.

Steeped the Borkum Riff Cherry Cavendish in VG for a full 3 days.

The net is very dark - near black.

Blended as follows:

60% vg (no nic or distilled water added yet but of course both will be in the finished product)
37% net
3% Cinnamon Danish Swirl (used Cappellas though most likely not the actual one its the closest I have on hand)

Results - So so so close. Vaping them side by side and they are so darn close. There is a fruit missing. I think it's either lorann cherry or lorann raspberry. Leaning more towards the raspberry now for some reason. Unfortunately I don't have either on hand so I need to order. The red color of the fruit flavor is also what is needed to match the color of bobas.

So definitely a fruit needs to be added which could mean that instead of cherry cavendish the base could be just black cavendish. As is though its so close I'm not sure how much of a difference it would make.

I also think the cinnamon danish swirl % may come down a bit to 2-2.5 % depending on the fruit % needed.

First I want to get the correct color and ingredients and tweak the %'s from there.

 

[SethGrimm]

Everyone keeps putting a thousand non-tobacco flavorings in the clones. Ben stated once that Boba's bounty is three tobacco flavorings that are mixed together and steeped and 2 non-tobacco flavorings.

All I can add is that apart from a thousand ideas so far, I without a doubt still taste raisin. It(the raisin)is especially strong at 2 weeks. I believe most of the "graham cracker/chocolate/hazelnut/etc.." are actually from the three tobacco flavorings. Hell, maybe the raisin note I taste is from the tobacco flavoring.

All I know is many of you are doing precisely what Ben said; overanalyzing.

 

[SethGrimm]

Sounds like a nice vape.. I wouldn't get too hung up on matching the color of Boba's though...you are after flavor - not esthetics. My primary "tobacco base" (Scubabatdan's recipe: TOB506 Commercial Cigarette Concentrate, Cotton Candy, and Tobacco Absolute-Pure), when diluted to 10%, is almost clear initially (changes over time).

IMHO, the color of the clone is really just a potential indicator of the ingredients Ben uses in Bobas, but it's only important if you are trying to get an EXACT clone of BB. I think there's something in his juice that's either made up especially for him, or something completely off-the-wall (I still think it a NET of some type).

It clearly isn't a N.E.T. because no one was making N.E.T.s four years ago when Ben made it. This has been stated in this very same thread numberous times. Ben also said it isn't a N.E.T. and I don't think he's a liar.

 

[VIPOD]

All I know is many of you are doing precisely what Ben said; overanalyzing.

Probably true, but some of my concoctions based on this "overanalyzing" are to die for!

 

[Levitas]

It clearly isn't a N.E.T. because no one was making N.E.T.s four years ago when Ben made it. This has been stated in this very same thread numberous times. Ben also said it isn't a N.E.T. and I don't think he's a liar.

He also said that none of the tobacco juices can be made without nicotine. Aside of an extract, what else is there? Save preference, of course.

 

[SethGrimm]

He also said that none of the tobacco juices can be made without nicotine. Aside of an extract, what else is there? Save preference, of course.

I just think it is a far stretch to say that Ben was the first one to ever make a N.E.T.. Also considering the possible health risks with vaping N.E.T.s vs Flavoring it would seem unprofessional of him to hide that from people, which is also why I am skeptical of the claims that there is WTA in it. I always was under the impression that it wouldn't taste "right" without nicotine.

Also, you CAN get plenty of N.E.T.s with 0nic.