My Boba's clone

[Porksmuggler]

I knew it. BB has crack!

I know taste is subjective and tastebuds start to change but cola really. So what does coca taste like?

It tastes truly horrible...bitter, acrid, pungent.

It's added to cola to add to the sensation of the carbonation. Similar concept to bitters in mixed drinks.

 

[VIPOD]

I knew it. BB has crack!

I know taste is subjective and tastebuds start to change but cola really. So what does coca taste like?

No clue. But Coca-Cola is the major player in the export from SA of course.


"Coca-Cola is the only U.S. corporation that has been granted the right to legally import coca leaves into the United States, via a coca processing lab known as the Stepan Company".

"Approximately 100 metric tons of coca leaves are imported to the Stepan Company each year"
- per http://www.naturalnews.com/032658_Coca-Cola_........html


This stuff is hard to get, but there are options to get the processed liquid.

Want to try?

Coca Leaves Extract NovoAndina 16 oz

 

[FLExJuice]

Just saw this description of BB...the secret is cheese and olive! Sounds funny but after googling the taste of Brie which is a soft combo of hazenut and fruit aromas, I'll be adding Hazenut to my next mix but not sure about Olive. Yuck!

"Next time you are in the mood for hors d'oeuvres try this: a soft slightly sweet cracker topped with date jam, a thin slice of Brie cheese, crowned with a mild mini martini olive. This might sound crazy but Guess what, you will instantly recognize the flavor."

 

[FLExJuice]

No clue. But Coca-Cola is the major player in the export from SA of course.


"Coca-Cola is the only U.S. corporation that has been granted the right to legally import coca leaves into the United States, via a coca processing lab known as the Stepan Company".

"Approximately 100 metric tons of coca leaves are imported to the Stepan Company each year"
- per http://www.naturalnews.com/032658_Coca-Cola_........html


This stuff is hard to get, but there are options to get the processed liquid.

Want to try?

Coca Leaves Extract NovoAndina 16 oz

As much as I'd like to try this one, I'll pass. I'll just buy another 100ml of BB and ponder about the flavors....in my college days I was offered crack but it didn't interest me until now (just kidding)... any ex-crack users following this thread?

 

[Aheadatime]

Just saw this description of BB...the secret is cheese and olive! Sounds funny but after googling the taste of Brie which is a soft combo of hazenut and fruit aromas, I'll be adding Hazenut to my next mix but not sure about Olive. Yuck!

"Next time you are in the mood for hors d'oeuvres try this: a soft slightly sweet cracker topped with date jam, a thin slice of Brie cheese, crowned with a mild mini martini olive. This might sound crazy but Guess what, you will instantly recognize the flavor."

I'm beginning to think you're a plant sent by Ben to confuse the crap out of us with a fluctuation barrage of far-fetched options and suggestions.

 

[Porksmuggler]

I'm beginning to think you're a plant sent by Ben to confuse the crap out of us with a fluctuation barrage of far-fetched options and suggestions.

What no one has tried the NEB yet? The naturally extracted Birkenstocks, I'm 97% confident that's the secret ingredient!

 

[FACE MEAT]

As much as I'd like to try this one, I'll pass. I'll just buy another 100ml of BB and ponder about the flavors....in my college days I was offered crack but it didn't interest me until now (just kidding)... any ex-crack users following this thread?

Yes, how may I help you?

 

[FLExJuice]

I'm beginning to think you're a plant sent by Ben to confuse the crap out of us with a fluctuation barrage of far-fetched options and suggestions.

Sorry didn't mean to come across that way. But it has crossed my mind that Ben had a faithful following and they put out recipes and reviews to confuse people. Maybe a good marketing strategy.

 

[VIPOD]

Sorry didn't mean to come across that way. But it has crossed my mind that Ben had a faithful following and they put out recipes and reviews to confuse people. Maybe a good marketing strategy.

LOL...if anything, Ben must be very amused if he's reading this, in fact I'd really appreciate a "shout out" from him

Yeah, let's go back to basics. 4-5 ingredients.

Tonight's Batch:

Tuscan Reserve 31%
Tobacco ACL 29%
Graham Cracker 20%
Cinnamon Swirl 19%
Vinegar 1%

Just got some BB in the mail yesterday...so a fresh batch to compare.

The scent is very/very similar, so is the color at this stage.

What is in Tuscan Reserve? Believe it's described as cigar & chocolate???

 

[taofishdude]

I have been using the Tuscan in my clone attempts. It adds a nice raisin smell but has a slight chocolatey taste. Not as chocolatey as the black cigar/black mile type.

 

[Sad Society]

Here's what I think is going on with Boba's Bounty. The posts on this thread keep speculating on trying to figure out what the secret ingredient is in Boba's Bounty. And while that's fine and dandy. I think that only the company that supplies Ben/AVE with concentrated flavors know what the ingredients are. The only way that AVE would know what the ingredients are is if they had a flavor that is specifically made for them. And that may or may not be the case. It could be a flavor, of mix of flavors that any one of us could buy. And sometimes those flavors sell out thus making Boba's unavailable from time to time.

I just got some black cigar concentrated flavor and I can tell you that it's awesome just on it's own... But could I tell you how the supplier made this concentrate? No I can't.

AVE the company is located in Lancaster CA. There is nothing in Lancaster CA. Just a bunch of desert. Lancaster CA is about an hour away from the heart of Los Angeles. 50 minutes away on a good day with no traffic, and 45 minutes if you speed and no traffic. Lancaster is a suburb of Los Angeles County. The ppl that live in Lancaster CA mostly all commute to L.A. to their jobs.

There are no special labs or anything like that in Lancaster. Their not extracting flavors out of their Birkenstocks. That is not to say that maybe AVE is buying tobacco leaves and fermenting them in VG. Or maybe they are having another vendor such as DIYflavorshack make a special flavor base for them.

What I think is happening, AVE buys select flavors and combines them together. AVE knows the exact flavors and and percentages to use for Boba's Bounty. Does AVE know how to make these flavors from scratch? Probably not.

I think they are a third party DIY company just like us...only we're not a company. To say that AVE knows the secret ingredient(s) just might be the wrong information. They know what concentrated flavors to use...and only the first party vendor who made that flavor know whats in it.

I don't want to rule out the fact that AVE might be adding something secretive (that only they know) to their juice that makes it unique.

These are my opinions.

 

[Chas_L]

If nothing else this thread ha most likely encouraged hundreds to try BB which surely helps sells and could explain the OOS / BO.

If I had the chance to vape a free sample I would give it a try but I am happy with my DIY juices which cost me less than $0.10 per ml and I have stock to make more than myself and wife will vape in the next year or longer , in fact I just ordered another liter of 100 mg. Nic just incase FDA gets to heavy handed.

 

[Porksmuggler]

If nothing else this thread ha most likely encouraged hundreds to try BB which surely helps sells and could explain the OOS / BO.

If I had the chance to vape a free sample I would give it a try but I am happy with my DIY juices which cost me less than $0.10 per ml and I have stock to make more than myself and wife will vape in the next year or longer , in fact I just ordered another liter of 100 mg. Nic just incase FDA gets to heavy handed.

I have about 8 yrs worth of nic, not that it'll last that long even in the freezer, but I still buy BB, it's that different from other vendors or the dozens of DIY I've put together.

 

[FLExJuice]

I haven't had a coca cola in maybe a year so I had one yesterday. I thought maybe it's the sugary sweetness that people are getting. So this morning, as I was vaping BB, it did have that sugar taste. The 2nd testimony review on AVE BB page, someone said hint of "burnt sugar". Well I did a quick search and there is a cola called Bubba Cola.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubba_Cola

Also I think the 2 testimonies on AVE is filled with clues. Why would Ben put those on there if it didn't represent his pride and joy ejuice.

" Bounty is one of those juices that is mysterious but delicious, controversial but agreeable, subtle but flavorful… It’s an enigma. I’ve seen it described as a semi-sweet tobacco flavor, a chocolaty coconut flavor, a European cigarette flavor, a caramel vanilla flavor… the list goes on and on. While I’m not too sure about some of the things I’ve read about it, one thing is for certain; this juice is awesome." - Vapok e-Cigs User


"Boba's Bounty is the only juice I cannot go without. Far and away my favorite vape. Ben's Flue Cured is the best I have tried also, closest thing to a cigarette taste I have had. Boba's is hard to describe, kinda like a European cigarette with a hint of burnt sugar, but for less than 7 dollars, you owe it to yourself to try it." - e-Cigarette Forum User: Badfish20

The source for vapor ecig is at below link and another person said the secret is Cola.

http://www.ecigology.com/alien-visions-bobas-bounty-review/

 

[Porksmuggler]

Actual cola and cola flavoring are two different things, but all the samples I've run for months now with cola flavoring or cola syrup flavoring are off the mark.

Cola itself is primarily sugar, its color also comes from caramelized sugar (burnt sugar). Yeah, BB has a caramel note, but it's not the primary flavor on the front or back end.

I personally find caramel flavoring to have too much of a breakfast syrup taste when vaporized, so I use LA Natural Toffee for the caramel note in my BB clone attempts, it's lighter than caramel flavoring, and comes through more as caramel does in cola.

 

[FLExJuice]

You know what? I think you're right. Even if i shared it, and my juices were good when i started my business, people would still buy it. And sharing it would be the first step i suppose.

Its funny you should mention coca cola actually .

Here is my origional post

I'm not a particularly big fan of Bobas Bounty, however I do enjoy puzzles and I believe I may be on to something if not solved your problem of the secret ingredient!

Has anyone checked into other flavors besides tobacco that may contain nicotine? I found this:

"According to the Science Daily website, nicotine alkaloids are also found in the leaves of the coca plant, which is native to South America. The coca plant, or Erythroxylum coca, is a member of the Erythroxylaceae family. *last sentence removed for forum rules reasons (just dont want any complications......)*."

Decocainized (is this okay to say? >.>) coca leaf extract is used as a flavoring in Coca-Cola, as well as being readily (and legally) available to the US as a flavoring for your own colas, shakes, teas, coffees... what have you. A google search has turned up at least one (legitimate looking) site that sells this coca extract. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post a link or refer you to an outside site.

Here are my premises:

1. It is a flavoring that contains nicotine (alkaloids are left intact)
2. It is extracted in alcohol so it is PG free
3. Its taste would probably mix well with tobaccos and probably enhance the flavor. I havent tried it.
4. Many have reported an alcohol smell with Bobas
5. This is a pretty long shot, but Boba? Coca? Seeeeee? Briliant way to hide their secret ingredient!

I feel pretty confident about this. Anyone have anything that would disprove this?

What do you guys think?

I think you're on to something here. I've started to re-read the Official BB review thread and "the vaporizer" mentioned a plant that could be manipulated to give different flavors....page 9 or so on that thread....it's an extract and not many stock it. So I put all these hints and reviews in my magic computer program and it came out with several possibilities of what drink it's mimicking.... Drum roll please:

1. Cherry Coca-Cola
2. Cherry Dr. Pepper
3. Root Beer Float (Vanilla Bean Ice Cream and Cherry on top)

The customer that requested this enjoyed a smoke with his favorite drink.

 

[Aheadatime]

Well if it was a coca extract, you'd need to find a very high quality one, such as the one Coke uses in their colas. I researched but couldn't find much tbh. Try it yourself; just look up "coca extract, coca flavoring, coca syrup", all of them tend to bring up articles on Coke.

 

[Levitas]

If it were a coca extract, it would have to be a home-made one, no? Those extracts are alcohol based, and according to Ben, there is no alcohol in Boba's. Meaning someone would have to buy/grow the leaves, and make the extract themselves.

That, or, if they are using coca, perhaps from coca tea (seems more accessible, and could be used for extract I suppose).

I'm waiting on anyone with any confirmation on the taste. Is anyone working on it? I had hoped the person who revealed the info would be.

 

[Rikiel]

Not cola, coca.

To answer the question as to what it tastes like, It is described as being comparable to the bitterness and grassyness of green tea only "more complex" and with a more organic sweetness. I've also seen it's flavor compared to coffees. I would love to try it and will as soon as i have some cash to get some powder and do a VG extract. If it isnt Bobas directly, i can see this ingredient providing a distinct and wholy individual taste in a variety of tobacco and other juice flavors.

To expand on the coca tea idea, yes that is a possibility, though an extract from the tea may not be necessary. Im not sure if anyone has tried this, but a direct steep from tea bags into the flavoring mixture could also be a possibility. Furthermore as coca tea seems to be popular with a wide variety of other flavors such as Camomille, anise, eucalyptise and mint... there is a variety of recipies that might be absolutely delicious.

Physics is fun, and while i disagree about your rainbows and unicorns , my backround is mainly in philosophy where it also works lol .

As for that juice review, I am not able to open it up. I have not seen it either.

I wont beat up on Rikiel. I issued him a challenge to put up or shut up, provided him new perspective to do so, and he realized he made a poor choice and came back.

Now, I will say you cant shift a burden to be disproven based on theory alone. That might work in physics where they chase rainbows and unicorns all day but in the real world we are more practical than that. You gotta show me a recipe before I can say the burden of proof is on anyone to disprove you rikiel. Not saying you might not have a valid idea, but you need to show some proof of concept here.

I have made a couple of mixes with TPA cola at varying percentages in attempting a boba clone. I just dont see it. Frankly, they are downright... rank at best. Even 1% ruins any attempt at a reasonable clone.

I still believe the base tobaccos are Tob Absolute with a marlboro, 555/dk or maybe ry4 type blend. As far as the other ingredients I atill say its something with cinnamon in it. I need to order some cinn red hots and some other cinnamon based flavs from other places. Cinn danish is close but its off even in a small percentage. So maybe there is a VG version some other vendor offers.

 

[FLExJuice]

" We use our sense of smell before we taste anything. Sometimes the smell influences how things will taste to us. Up to 75% of what we taste will come from our sense of smell first."

With that in mind, Soda provides a sort of throat hit feeling and when I tried a regular Coca-Cola it complimented the TH and sugary sweet and burnt sugar taste in BB at 12mg nic. Still something missing and so I got a Cherry Coca-Cola which gave me the fruit that made it even a closer experience. Then I read a review of someone convinced the fruit flavor was a Hawaiian Punch with Tobacco leaf.....I also ignored that but for S&G I researched it and a reviewer said they get alot of Cherry from that ejuice mix. So I kept reading reviews that there was Hazenut, Vanilla, Ginger, etc.....which explains my 3rd drink/food of being a root beer float.

Ben may not be actually using Coca but he's using a special mix of flavors that mimic it very well. He's tricking our senses to get the closes experience when vaping.

But if he is indeed using a coca extract....well BB then has "crack" but decocainized....could it explain why people say at first they didn't like it then it just grew on them, now their hooked buying 100ml in batches of 10 qty.

At this point what made BB fun and just frustrating was what the heck am I vaping. To me the closes thing I can compare BB to is a cherry type soda.

I certainly don't have all the flavors I need but I'll try something with what I've got already. I'm thinking of using a root beer flavor with some sort of mix of Vanilla Bean, Cherry, Bavarian Creme, Cinnamon Danish/Gingerbread and/or Almond...then for the Tobacco I plan on using a mix of Commercial Tobacco with TBA, Captain Black, Fire Cured and/or M-Type.