My Boba's clone

[Aheadatime]

Yes but if you read carefully... he completely dodged your question and didnt answer it. He didnt define 100% VG at all. Is it just the base? The whole entire juice?

As someone PG sensitive myself... these are answers Id like regardless of this thread. How many flavorings are all VG? I have a cabinet full and I went thru them all last night and couldnt find one single all vg flavoring.

I understand its a general label, mass produced to "cover all bases" in a sense, but then that means he is mislabeling his products and that isnt kosher.

If you click on the link you'll notice I covered that in the thread. I asked specifically if the base, nicotine, and flavors were all 100% VG and the answer apparently was yes. I asked the question in the same fashion in my email, asking if there were even trace amounts of PG in their VG line and the answer was that they are 100% VG. There's nothing more I can do besides raid their warehouse and see for myself, as they're intent on keeping true to the '100% VG' thing. So I guess for now I'll have to take their word for it and order some myself to see if I can detect anything in there that I haven't already read (honey, graham cracker, raisin, cinnamon, coconut, chocolate, tobacco). I suspect alot of these hints that people assume they're tasting are either the tobacco base changing over time, or the way that two or more obvious flavors interact to create a new, more complex flavor.

 

[Aheadatime]

It's also interesting that Black Mile Plus and BM has been sold out for awhile.

Total assumption here, but I'd guess that its only because so many people are subscribed to this thread and those are two major ingredients in the clones thus far. I have a feeling Ben orders direct as opposed to going through a site like ECigExpress or OneStopDIY etc. His suppliers have to most likely juggle between giving him his fix and having enough leftovers to supply other branch sites like the aforementioned.

 

[buffaloguy]

Neither of those are in bobas. Period. It contains far too much chocolate and vanilla. I vape it all the time.

It's also interesting that Black Mile Plus and BM has been sold out for awhile.

 

[buffaloguy]

Yep, bit read closely he skirted the questions a bit.

I absolutely agree that the flavor changes are a result of the tobacco base changing. Especially in regards to that raisin like flavor. Thats one of the indicitive flavors in TA based juices over time. Its esp present in very old TA based juice. I have a bottle over a year and a half old of my Buffalobacco that is a TA and seedmans based tobacco juice and raisin would definitely be described.

Funny, when I vape my Buffalobacco and bobas side by side they are oddly similar, sans the cinnamon.

Still wonder how bobas can be all vg when cinnamon flavoring itself does not extract directly in vg unless alcohol is involved. Even many cinnamon flavorings cant be used without separation in 100% vg juice.

If you click on the link you'll notice I covered that in the thread. I asked specifically if the base, nicotine, and flavors were all 100% VG and the answer apparently was yes. I asked the question in the same fashion in my email, asking if there were even trace amounts of PG in their VG line and the answer was that they are 100% VG. There's nothing more I can do besides raid their warehouse and see for myself, as they're intent on keeping true to the '100% VG' thing. So I guess for now I'll have to take their word for it and order some myself to see if I can detect anything in there that I haven't already read (honey, graham cracker, raisin, cinnamon, coconut, chocolate, tobacco). I suspect alot of these hints that people assume they're tasting are either the tobacco base changing over time, or the way that two or more obvious flavors interact to create a new, more complex flavor.

 

[FLExJuice]

May I try making Buffalobacco? Going to experiment this weekend.

 

[buffaloguy]

Its posted in the recipes section. I cant run a search right now but I use it as a base for alot of my own tobacco juices.

 

[FLExJuice]

Btw, great explanation on the raisin flavor. To my taste buds, BB is like raisinets and Recipe #7 with extra coconut is closer to an Almond Joy.

 

[ckone180]

Still wonder how bobas can be all vg when cinnamon flavoring itself does not extract directly in vg unless alcohol is involved. Even many cinnamon flavorings cant be used without separation in 100% vg juice.

I, for one, would be very surprised to find cinnamon an ingredient in BB. Do you know for certain, or just speculating? I'm interested in this, because I am not a cinnamon fan, and I've not tasted any in BB at all.

 

[buffaloguy]

Just taste it on your tongue. Its clearly cinnamon. Im not a cinnamon fan either btw. But Im certain its in there.

If you still find that to be speculation... me too. Its all speculation until there is a consensus on a recipe. All I can go on is experience with flavors and a ton of experience in the kitchen since the age of five.

I, for one, would be very surprised to find cinnamon an ingredient in BB. Do you know for certain, or just speculating? I'm interested in this, because I am not a cinnamon fan, and I've not tasted any in BB at all.

 

[ckone180]

Just taste it on your tongue. Its clearly cinnamon. Im not a cinnamon fan either btw. But Im certain its in there.

If you still find that to be speculation... me too. Its all speculation until there is a consensus on a recipe. All I can go on is experience with flavors and a ton of experience in the kitchen since the age of five.

I hadn't even thought of actually tasting it. I imagined that somehow you had an inside knowledge on cinnamon as an ingredient. Now I will have to taste it.

 

[Aal_]

Guys, gingerbread has cinnamon, butter, brown sugar and resembles graham crackers. So I think that might be the key. I will have to try soon gingerbread, TA, coconut and chocolate.

 

[buffaloguy]

I made several sample batches tonight. I decided to try and use cinnamon danish from tpa instead of tpa gingerbread to start out. Gingerbread smelled too spicy for the time being and I dont get a distinct ginger flavor out of bobas right now. Its possible, but I think cinn danish is closer.

Two of my samples have the distinct reddish hue of Bobas. One smells and looks nearly identical to both my nose, and my girlfriend (who has never vaped or smoked in her life). The other two are controls that I can add other flavors to if I feel Im onto something. One has gingerbread and TA. The other just cinn danish and TA. All are non nic right now.

They have heat steeped a few hours and Im gonna let em breathe overnight cause some of the flavorings contain a little alc. Let ya know what I find tomorrow.

If I do crack this with something (at least) approximate to the real deal, I will release it to the community and let you all be the judge and jury to refine it. I will not keep it to myself even tho I could prolly make a fortune selling it for half the price of Ave.

My initial impressions are that this is not as complex of a juice as we all believe. Its the flavors blending that become complex, and thus hard to discern.

 

[buffaloguy]

Well I made some tasty nice vapes and they are close, but no Bobas yet. The recipe below is actually really yummy in its own right.

While I feel I have a good approximation of actual ingredients the percentages need adjusting yet.

What I have used is the following:
Scubatdan's Tobacco Absolute blend (in alc. I found tpa tob absolute blend alc to be easier to use in this case than TA pure). It can be made from TA pure via dans recipe here on the forums. @10%
TPA Cinnamon Danish @5%
Tpa Double Chocolate @1%
TPA Graham Cracker @1%
Some distilled water. @7%

I used too much cinn danish and not enough graham cracker. its not close enough at all yet and I need to mix some more stuff this afternoon. However I do believe I am on the right track.

Another note of thought is that my mix was much thinner with the dw than bobas. So with the flavorings above Im going to eliminate more of the dw in this round.

 

[buffaloguy]

Btw, for testing purposes I am using two vamos and two identically hand coiled vivi novas at 2.3 ohms and at 6.5w. One is filled with bobas, the other with my clone. I wanted no variation in equipment for testing.

 

[Porksmuggler]

I used too much cinn danish and not enough graham cracker. its not close enough at all yet and I need to mix some more stuff this afternoon. However I do believe I am on the right track.

I use 2% CD, and also 2% GC in my TA blend mixes, but I'm at like 0.5-1% on the TA blend alc. I don't think I could stand 10%.

 

[buffaloguy]

My thoughts on the danish and graham cracker are really along the same lines as your right now. However I think Im gonna do a TA and seedmans mix. One part TA blend and two parts seedmans and use that at 10%.

There has to be mostly tobacco in Bobas. Typically I vape only tobaccos. Some other stuff to change it up a bit and I like mine on the stronger side. The difference here is Im trying to match bobas and not my own taste in tobaccos. But for me I wouldnt even notice TA blend at 0.5%-1%. You must have some sensitive taste buds. I usually think my palatte is pretty good. Yours must be great. I dont find TA blend strong at all.

 

[Puppytime]

TPA Cinnamon Danish @5%

I have this and really dont think its in it.
I tried a variation of this with flavor express chocolate, dry4 and flavorwest graham cracker.
The smell is very close after a rough mix but the danish is overpowering, even at 2%
maybe try a very low % of peanut butter instead?

 

[Jshill520]

I am fairly confident there is no cinnamon, chocolate, graham cracker, or coconut in bobas. I would actually bet money on it. I fell asleep with a genesis in my hand a few weeks ago and my juice dumped all out on my pillow. I sopped up what I could and changed the pillow cover. After a few days I could smell 2 very distinct flavors on each side of the pillow. Cotton candy (ethyl maltol sweetener), and on the other side was vinegar. Not my sweat either lol. I think the fabric somehow separated the flavors. Most of the smell was the cotton candy though so I know for a fact it has loads of sweetener and a little vinegar or vape wizard. I posted this in an ave thread when it happened but I think it fell to the back and no one has noticed. Ben said its so simple. Maybe it's this simple. Still don't know what tobacco he uses though.

 

[buffaloguy]

there is no ry4 in bobas. Thats not a close tobacco, not the ry4's im used to anyways. Any caramel or vanilla in an ry4 is going to make the cinnamon stronger. Some ry4 can be floral too. Thats definitely not it either. If you have ever baked cookies or cinnamon rolls with a combo of those three (cinn, caramel, and/or vanilla) you'll know what I mean. But yes, absolutely 5% was too much. Im gonna try batches at 1% & 2% tonight.

Its TA and/or a TA and seedmans commercial mix. Jshill there is cinnamon in bobas. You can taste it in the juice via your tongue. And its a buttery cinnamon which is why it leads me to believe its cinn danish.

TA absolute blend already contains EM. and vinegar would be used to round out flavors. Its likely there may be vinegar in the mix bit for initial testing I didnt want that. Once I feel closer on percentages of the mix i posed above, Ill try it.

Guys Im fairly certain (read this as not 100% positive but damn close) in the ingredients here... so at least... if you have these exact ingredients (not variations of them) mix some up to compare first. Ill have a closer recipe to what I believe it is by Monday at the latest.

If nothing else rhe mix above is a really tasty vape all its own!

Btw, I dug up some of ben's old posts from way way back and he was an avid cinnamon fan. esp of cinn red hots and cinn danish.

 

[Puppytime]

ha, i bet ben reads this thread laughing at us while mixing with his feet.

Also yes definitely vinegar and alot of it. you can smell it strong from the bottle.
you can add alot more strong flavoring like the chocolate and the vinegar will knock it down.

there is no ry4 in bobas

Yeah i know but thats all i have. im not trying too hard