My Boba's clone
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I can't help you all with the ingredients, as I'm not that familiar yet with tobacco flavorings. But now that my bottle of BB has matured for over a month and all the flavors are melding and morphing into lusciousness, I can say that my brain tells me it's designed to taste like Little Debbie's Oatmeal Creme Pies. My husband quit smoking decades ago and doesn't vape, but when he smelled it, it took him a minute to reach back in his memory and realize what he was thinking. I didn't give him any hints, either, but he came up with the same conclusion.
Little Debbie Oatmeal Cream Pies - 12 Pack (16 oz)
Manufactured by: McKee Foods
Ingredients:
Corn Syrup, Flour Enriched Bleached, Barley Malt, Niacin, Iron Reduced, Wheat Flour, Folic Acid (Vitamin aB), Oat(s), Cottonseed Oil Partially Hydrogenated, Soybean(s) Oil Partially Hydrogenated, Riboflavin (Vitamin B2), Sugar, Thiamine Mononitrate (Vitamin B1), Vegetable(s) Shortening, Ammonium Bicarbonate, Baking Soda, Dextrose, Emulsifier(s), Contains 22% or less Leavening, Milk, Molasses, Polysorbate 60, Raisin(s), salt, Sorbitan Monostearate, Soy Lecithin, Water, Whey, Mono and Diglycerides, Corn Starch, Caramel Color, Carrageenan, Cocoa, Coconut, Color(s), Egg(s), Egg(s) Whites, Apple(s) Evaporated, Milk Non-Fat Dry, Red 40, Sorbic Acid Freshness Preserved By, Spice(s), Yellow 5, Flavor(s) Natural & Artificial, Sulfite Treated
Not surprising that Boba's could contain vinegar. Most of the juices I've made in my very limited experience the last month or so were disappointing. I read the vinegar thread. I bought a roll of pH paper at the health food store and tested my juices. They were very high pH, up in the mid to high 7 range. Boba's wasn't. It was in the low to mid 6 range. I added drops of vinegar to my juices to lower the pH, and it improved them. Maybe he uses malt vinegar, as some people are already speculating.
My bottle of BB is 6mg strength. I can lick a drop of it, and it stings like a higher nicotine content juice. Maybe one of the tobacco flavorings he uses has a peppery note. I'm assuming that would add the throat hit, as VG-based eliquids aren't supposed to come through with th very well. If his mixture only uses 5 ingredients (or flavors?), then I would guess that most of the flavors come from the tobaccos. (I believe somebody already said that, but that was my thought, too.)
So!...we can either beat our brains out (and I know some of us will!) trying to find those three magic tobacco flavorings that have all the above-mentioned notes in them, or we can find some that have as many as possible and then add other flavors as needed. I think of it like this--when I want to make cornbread, I can use Jiffy Mix (ingredient #1), milk (ingredient #2) and egg (ingredient #3), or I can start from scratch and use flour, corn meal, baking powder, salt, sugar, oil, eggs, and milk (8 ingredients). Think of each tobacco flavoing as the Jiffy Mix with most or all of the flavorings divided among the three he uses. What if he buys from a company we're not privy to and can't get those exact flavorings? Then we just have to find the ones that have at least some of the notes and add the rest to our own "cornbread".
Little Debbie Oatmeal Cream Pies - 12 Pack (16 oz)
Manufactured by: McKee Foods
Ingredients:
Corn Syrup, Flour Enriched Bleached, Barley Malt, Niacin, Iron Reduced, Wheat Flour, Folic Acid (Vitamin aB), Oat(s), Cottonseed Oil Partially Hydrogenated, Soybean(s) Oil Partially Hydrogenated, Riboflavin (Vitamin B2), Sugar, Thiamine Mononitrate (Vitamin B1), Vegetable(s) Shortening, Ammonium Bicarbonate, Baking Soda, Dextrose, Emulsifier(s), Contains 22% or less Leavening, Milk, Molasses, Polysorbate 60, Raisin(s), salt, Sorbitan Monostearate, Soy Lecithin, Water, Whey, Mono and Diglycerides, Corn Starch, Caramel Color, Carrageenan, Cocoa, Coconut, Color(s), Egg(s), Egg(s) Whites, Apple(s) Evaporated, Milk Non-Fat Dry, Red 40, Sorbic Acid Freshness Preserved By, Spice(s), Yellow 5, Flavor(s) Natural & Artificial, Sulfite Treated
Not surprising that Boba's could contain vinegar. Most of the juices I've made in my very limited experience the last month or so were disappointing. I read the vinegar thread. I bought a roll of pH paper at the health food store and tested my juices. They were very high pH, up in the mid to high 7 range. Boba's wasn't. It was in the low to mid 6 range. I added drops of vinegar to my juices to lower the pH, and it improved them. Maybe he uses malt vinegar, as some people are already speculating.
My bottle of BB is 6mg strength. I can lick a drop of it, and it stings like a higher nicotine content juice. Maybe one of the tobacco flavorings he uses has a peppery note. I'm assuming that would add the throat hit, as VG-based eliquids aren't supposed to come through with th very well. If his mixture only uses 5 ingredients (or flavors?), then I would guess that most of the flavors come from the tobaccos. (I believe somebody already said that, but that was my thought, too.)
So!...we can either beat our brains out (and I know some of us will!) trying to find those three magic tobacco flavorings that have all the above-mentioned notes in them, or we can find some that have as many as possible and then add other flavors as needed. I think of it like this--when I want to make cornbread, I can use Jiffy Mix (ingredient #1), milk (ingredient #2) and egg (ingredient #3), or I can start from scratch and use flour, corn meal, baking powder, salt, sugar, oil, eggs, and milk (8 ingredients). Think of each tobacco flavoing as the Jiffy Mix with most or all of the flavorings divided among the three he uses. What if he buys from a company we're not privy to and can't get those exact flavorings? Then we just have to find the ones that have at least some of the notes and add the rest to our own "cornbread".
I just got some in the vapemail day before yesterday. I plan to bang out a couple millileters of trial juice tomorrow, I'll let you know how it goes.
My local B&M makes a B&M (haha!) that I'm trying to replicate, it's my goto juice. Going by their flavor list, they use TFA flavors, so it should just be a straight single-flavor mix. Just need to figure out the percentages. Drip, trial, error time.
I was looking further and noticed the Little Debbie's idea was already mentioned by yourself, like in 2011! SORRY, PONKAW! Didn't mean to steal your idea or anything, but I hadn't seen it described in anything I was reading. Apparently, people got overzealous in the last couple of years and forgot or didn't understand what they were trying to emulate. But you were right; it's Little Debbie's. Congrats!
Wading through all the Off-topic chit-chat sometimes makes it hard to find comments actually relative to the topic!
The way Boba's gunks up my coils is exactly like some of the NETs I've tried, I get about 3ml through my various devices before I can start to discern a taste difference, going much further and it just kills the flavor. Can get a couple dry burns before the wick needs replacing.
Guys this thread reads like a detective novel! There are some powerful minds at work on this, this much experimenting should have come up with a cure for cancer by now
I'm going back to lurking but wanted to pop in and say you are all awesome.
I'm going back to lurking but wanted to pop in and say you are all awesome.
Mental note: go very easy on that B&M. First run went with 10%. That was the end of my ability to taste subjectively, now everything smells like that. Five percent was still too much, don't go higher than 2.5%. Totally ruined my mad scientist session, peanut butter & jelly, dulce de leche, and pizza experiments were simply variations on B&M at that point. I'll have to try again tomorrow or whenever my nose clears.
And it wasn't even close to the juice I'm trying to replicate. :sad:
And it wasn't even close to the juice I'm trying to replicate. :sad:
Thank you for the heads up on that! I was just getting ready to do the exact same thing! Stay with it, the solution is never as far as you think!
Peter
I've seen Little Debbie's mentioned several times, that or those Girl Scout cookies, Samoas.
They're both along all the same flavor profiles that have been mentioned countless times for Boba's, beyond that though, not much help.
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Even 2.5% is too much. Next attempt, 1% with other flavors to boost it. It doesn't replicate the juice I'm trying to recreate either by color or aroma by itself, so apparently the recipe I'm reverse engineering is a multi-flavor.
Can you confirm if it is an alternative for the vz or ecigexpress one?
If you're talking about B&M from VZ. Yes. I've tried it at 20% and man can I tell ya it taste good and strong at first but the flavor is over excessive. It is a super concentrated flavor.
Then I used it at 2.5% with steeping and it wasn't enough for me. I like it around 4 or even 5% with a few other flavors added like cinnamon swirl and graham cracker. Those are added at around 2.5% and they still shine through with the B&M flavor.
It's a good vape but it's nothing like BB.
Then I used it at 2.5% with steeping and it wasn't enough for me. I like it around 4 or even 5% with a few other flavors added like cinnamon swirl and graham cracker. Those are added at around 2.5% and they still shine through with the B&M flavor.
It's a good vape but it's nothing like BB.
Ok everyone. After literally hours and hours of reading and researching I was able to investigate 20 different brands of cigarettes, and the flavoring compounds used to flavor them. Three ingredients came up in 95% of the ingredients lists. These were Non-Menthol of course.
Brown sugar
Cocoa
Licorice
Brown sugar
Cocoa
Licorice
Guys,
I just received a batch of what I will call the new boba's bounty. We all know there was a long period of out of stock at Ave and recently they had it back in stock. Look i have been vaping boba's for a whole year EXCLUSIVELY before that. I always try boba's directly out of the box and then after a while. I just tried the new Boba out of the box. It is not night and day, but like day and afternoon difference. The old one was more complex. This new one has what i describe a dirtier tobacco (more charcoal?) and more honey flavor i guess. There was definitely a change in the recipe, either the ingredients or the whole recipe. Steeping will not make change the flavor to the old boba because I know how that tasted like and it is a different profile. I am affraid with AVE not being able to produce the old one, we will never be able to as well. For the experienced boba vaper you could easily qualify it as a different e-liquid. I am disappoint.
I just received a batch of what I will call the new boba's bounty. We all know there was a long period of out of stock at Ave and recently they had it back in stock. Look i have been vaping boba's for a whole year EXCLUSIVELY before that. I always try boba's directly out of the box and then after a while. I just tried the new Boba out of the box. It is not night and day, but like day and afternoon difference. The old one was more complex. This new one has what i describe a dirtier tobacco (more charcoal?) and more honey flavor i guess. There was definitely a change in the recipe, either the ingredients or the whole recipe. Steeping will not make change the flavor to the old boba because I know how that tasted like and it is a different profile. I am affraid with AVE not being able to produce the old one, we will never be able to as well. For the experienced boba vaper you could easily qualify it as a different e-liquid. I am disappoint.
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I have to agree with you. I don't get the graham cracker anymore just a burnt ashtray taste. My last bottle of Bees Knees is just honey, no Boba's to it.
I know from DIY'ing for over a year now and supplying many local vapers here with their favorite mixes that it often happens that even though I purchase my flavors over and over again from the same suppliers that there are times when the batches are slightly different. It is very frustrating when you can't rely on flavor producers to give your the EXACT SAME product over and over.
My extractions of tea's, coffee's and tobacco's have made me painfully aware that batch consistency is extremely difficult if not impossible.
Imagine the worst case scenario that if Ben was reliant for years on a specific supplier and that that supplier vanishes overnight for some unknown reason. It would be a crazy scramble to replace that supplier but worse would be to find the exact replica.
My extractions of tea's, coffee's and tobacco's have made me painfully aware that batch consistency is extremely difficult if not impossible.
Imagine the worst case scenario that if Ben was reliant for years on a specific supplier and that that supplier vanishes overnight for some unknown reason. It would be a crazy scramble to replace that supplier but worse would be to find the exact replica.
Sure you will. This thread has been active for almost a year now, and near as I can tell, no solid clone has been found. Sure, there's have been lots of good mixes made up that are close, but no clone that all can agree on.
Sent from somewhere on Planet Earth.
Well Slohand special thanks for you for 2 recipes that became my all day vape (#7 and #8). Without you I would be really angry, the cannot vape all the other crap off the shelf juices kind of angry
.On your note regarding differences in manufacturing flavours, I think boba's case is more of a "vanishing supplier" case. No way same ingredients to change this drastically by manufacturing alone.
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