My Boba's clone

[Lastlokean]

Haven't posted here in a while. I've been the recipient of a 'bad' nic that has given me trouble. I'm now second guessing all the last 20 or so test flavors I've been working on.

Yet another reason we really need some kind of regulations so that we can count on quality from all sources.

Flavors are really something that's peeving me off too. Same flavor, ordered 2 months apart and guess what? Not even close to the first batch flavor. It's not a wonder that even with the old stalwart flavors out there we notice some slight variations.

Can't say I'm all that displeased. I've really enjoyed many of my recipes but getting them consistent? .......

Its not every day you here vapers calling for 'regulation'... Reasonable regulation would be wonderful. Unfortunately I don't see whatever regulation comes through as likely to be reasonable. Currently it takes little more than a few bad reviews of a company for them to go completely down the toilet. Once regulation gets in place... There will likely be a 'monopoly' of big juice companies that can handle the FDAs unreasonable fees. Then before you know it... You can only get juice from 1 of 2 companies that are in cahoots and lacing ejuice with various additives in order to make it 10x addictive and dangerous with the FDAs approval, justifying health risks, justifying insane taxes and regulation.

Be careful what you ask for.

Edit: While the open market has some downsides... It is very self-regulating and correcting based on knowledge and consumer demands. Regulation takes most of this out of the picture. Just look at what has happened to our food!

If you want consistent flavors you probably have to get closer to the manufacturer directly. Even so, I imagine there 'process' / 'recipe' changes over time based on numerous factors that are simply outside our control. I don't imagine regulation making companies keep recipes unchanged.

 

[SloHand]

Its not every day you here vapers calling for 'regulation'... Reasonable regulation would be wonderful.

That's all I was saying.

As for the rest of the post, a little over the top, no? The FDA may have an agenda but to say that nicotine producers would play that game to support FDA claims is nuts. This ....

Currently it takes little more than a few bad reviews of a company for them to go completely down the toilet.

... is the reason why.

Once regulation gets in place... There will likely be a 'monopoly' of big juice companies that can handle the FDAs unreasonable fees. Then before you know it... You can only get juice from 1 of 2 companies that are in cahoots and lacing ejuice with various additives in order to make it 10x addictive and dangerous with the FDAs approval, justifying health risks, justifying insane taxes and regulation.

From what I have read, the FDA does not collect fee's, but they can make company's spend money to jump through hoops. The regulations that I referred to flippantly could just as well be from AESMA and not the FDA. The FDA is another issue altogether. I want to see quality in nicotine sources.

If you want consistent flavors you probably have to get closer to the manufacturer directly.

Absolutely true, but we DIY'ers aren't in the habit of buying flavours in gallon sized jugs.

Even so, I imagine there 'process' / 'recipe' changes over time based on numerous factors that are simply outside our control. I don't imagine regulation making companies keep recipes unchanged.

Never implied regulations would Peace out!

 

[ccwaters]

how about keeping this thread Bobas's related, if you have something to say about bad nic there are appropriate places to do so.

 

[Porksmuggler]

how about keeping this thread Bobas's related, if you have something to say about bad nic there are appropriate places to do so.

How about since Slohand is one of the biggest contributors to this thread, he posts what he wants to.

Really, it's not like this thread stays on topic all that much anyway.

 

[Wingsfan0310]

This is a pretty long thread. I was wondering if someone could point me in the direction of the closest Boba's clone come up with so far?

Cheers,
Steve

 

[Porksmuggler]

This is a pretty long thread. I was wondering if someone could point me in the direction of the closest Boba's clone come up with so far?

Cheers,
Steve

Still probably SloHand, post #411. There's likely a few variations after.

I've gone through dozens of mixes, still nothing close in my opinion.

 

[Wingsfan0310]

Thanks You, very much appreciated!

Cheers,
Steve

 

[Porksmuggler]

Thanks You, very much appreciated!

Cheers,
Steve

no problem, try a few different variations, and post back if anything works out better.

I keep the same stuff as a base, tobacco absolute, graham cracker, toffee, EM, water. Then try different tobaccos, RY4 etc, and other notes like bavarian cream, coconut, marshmallow and on and on.

Wanting to mess around with malted milk and brown sugar next...

 

[ccwaters]

How about since Slohand is one of the biggest contributors to this thread, he posts what he wants to.

Really, it's not like this thread stays on topic all that much anyway.

Sure great Idea to spam up the thread with Bad Nic reports, Fire away.

 

[Porksmuggler]

Sure great Idea to spam up the thread with Bad Nic reports, Fire away.

your first post in the thread was about Norton's Antivirus, so yeah there's that.

 

[ccwaters]

your first post in the thread was about Norton's Antivirus, so yeah there's that.

And it was more useful to the community then talking about bad nic. but please carry on, I'm done with you.

 

[vapolator]

The only thing wich make me crazy with the clone is this damned dominant malted taste (and no, the TPA malted milk don't do the trick).
I can touch it in mixing various aromas but never as strong and persistant than the original, it make me crazy.

I think now than the trick is in the process more than the exact reproduction of aromas, so i work actually in this way...

Greatest post i've find on it for the inspiration by the way.

 

[SloHand]

The only thing wich make me crazy with the clone is this damned dominant malted taste (and no, the TPA malted milk don't do the trick).
I can touch it in mixing various aromas but never as strong and persistant than the original, it make me crazy.

I think now than the trick is in the process more than the exact reproduction of aromas, so i work actually in this way...

Greatest post i've find on it for the inspiration by the way.

keep working at it and send us all the results

 

[SloHand]

Sure great Idea to spam up the thread with Bad Nic reports, Fire away.

Spam the thread?!? Really now. And to think that I liked your post about keeping it on topic. LOL

Let me be very clear. The "bad" nic was Old nic. It had oxidized way beyond the point of good use by the time I used it, but sold as "fresh" which was a stretch to say the least. When nic has oxidized it smells like a fish market on a warm summer day. My titration test was bang on ... 105 mg for a 100mg advertised .... it turned almost orange within a month of having it. Yes I had transferred it to glass bottles and yes I had stored it in a freezer from the time of receipt. It was just old nic well oxidized which is not what we want to work with.

 

[vapolator]

Yes, oxydized it become strongly yellowish and smell/taste ammoniac (like cat piss too lol). Not usefull to reach high levels of formulation and accurate "taste samples".

For the boba's formulation (as others too wich need long process), i put the nicotine at final stage only. Juste before vape it.

 

[ccwaters]

Spam the thread?!? Really now. And to think that I liked your post about

Was not pointing any thing your way, it was a generalization.

The better my hardware gets, the more I think most of the flavors being tasted are just the Tab flavors. Gets easier to pick apart Boba's with better hardware.

 

[Aal_]

Guys what happened with the wine theory. I thought it was the closest. SloHand are you willing to try it?

 

[Aheadatime]

Guys what happened with the wine theory. I thought it was the closest. SloHand are you willing to try it?

I have a few batches of 'testing wine' put back in a closet. They're both in open jars with cheesecloth rubber banded around the top of the jars, as to allow air flow. I've also introduced vinegar in small amounts to the samples to create a 'mother of vinegar' or whatever wine experts call it. Basically I'm turning the wine into flavored vinegar, as Boba's allegedly has no alcohol and I think it would be good for cooking anyway

 

[ccwaters]

I've got my local liquor store trying to find me a bottle of the meade, I would really like to try it, but the cheapest I've found the mentioned meade that will ship is about $30 total cost, shipping is a killer on it.

Hoping the local place can come up with it at one of the Distributors they deal with.

 

[Aheadatime]

I've got my local liquor store trying to find me a bottle of the meade, I would really like to try it, but the cheapest I've found the mentioned meade that will ship is about $30 total cost, shipping is a killer on it.

Hoping the local place can come up with it at one of the Distributors they deal with.

I taste tested it and it doesn't taste like Boba's imo. It just tastes like an overbearingly sweet generic white wine. Meade is supposed to be fermented honey, but the Bunratty is literally just sweet white wine with honey flavor added. In any case, I'm knee deep in the experiment so it'll be worth it to see it to the end.