I only like to vape one flavor - Jon Wayne by Uncle Junk's. I occasionally add some caramel to it but that's it. That in mind, my first batches are trying to recreate something anywhere close to Jon Wayne. I've tried caramel, ry4, honey, sweet cream, bavarian cream, etcetera. My honey flavor is horrible although when I vape Jon Wayne in my Aqua its like vaping honey. Any ideas?
my diy juice sucks so far!
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Yep, plenty.
Imagine someone says they just started cooking and they are attempting to reproduce this wonderful meal they had at a 5 star restaurant, but their meal sucks?
Same kinda' thing...
There are many different producers of flavoring. Each one of the same name can have wildly different notes. I'd start with those individual flavorings and experiment to find the ones that have the right notes in whichever concentration it needs. (notes change depending on %). Then I would move on to experimenting with combinations. Combos can throw flavor and notes from left field to Nigeria in a fraction of a shift.
But, while that's the way I would approach it, I wouldn't actually do that. I'd just make my own creation(S) instead of spending the time and gathering the frustration if trying to get someone else's complex mix reverse engineered to be perfect.
(and you pick a doozy, honey notes are some if the toughest to get just right.)
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Imagine someone says they just started cooking and they are attempting to reproduce this wonderful meal they had at a 5 star restaurant, but their meal sucks?
Same kinda' thing...
There are many different producers of flavoring. Each one of the same name can have wildly different notes. I'd start with those individual flavorings and experiment to find the ones that have the right notes in whichever concentration it needs. (notes change depending on %). Then I would move on to experimenting with combinations. Combos can throw flavor and notes from left field to Nigeria in a fraction of a shift.
But, while that's the way I would approach it, I wouldn't actually do that. I'd just make my own creation(S) instead of spending the time and gathering the frustration if trying to get someone else's complex mix reverse engineered to be perfect.
(and you pick a doozy, honey notes are some if the toughest to get just right.)
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Well said.
I can see the value and the fun of cloning, but developing your own concoctions is a kind of reward that in unparalleled and invaluable. Lastly, the ability to DIY should not be gauged against how well you can recreate a pre-existing product. Reverse engineering by taste is its own skill.
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And if you want advice about what "sucks" here you have to give more than just throwing out a slew of flavoring names. First, brands would be a big help. After that you have to give us what the recipe is - what flavorings and in what percentages are leading to your suckage. (You are writing this stuff down and making notes?) We can't tell you how to reverse engineer a liquid on the market, but until you give us some specific information we can't tell you anything about what kind of mistakes you may be making.
my diy juice sucks so far!
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Mine does as well , barely vapable to be honest but thats a huge improvement for me , when i started DIY , experiencing death was a near certainty so i have improved a great deal.
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Mine does as well , barely vapable to be honest but thats a huge improvement for me , when i started DIY , experiencing death was a near certainty so i have improved a great deal.
Anything is better than that, for sure.
Just curious, what was the last recipe you made that sucked? If you post it, we could probably help to edit it to a much more vapeable liquid -- that is, of course, depending on how jacked up it really is! LOL
Mine's disgusting too.
I've followed recipes to the T. Still blows.
I've been resigned to ignoring the 20 flavorings I stupidly bought at first and have been vaping unflavored.
When your unflavored juice is your best flavor, I think the message is clear.
I've followed recipes to the T. Still blows.
I've been resigned to ignoring the 20 flavorings I stupidly bought at first and have been vaping unflavored.
When your unflavored juice is your best flavor, I think the message is clear.
As hoosier and Mr.Mann said mixing is like cooking a 5 star meal while only learning how to cook a week ago. You have to realize that these venders may have taken months to perfect a recipe so you can't be expected to clone this over night. I also believe that it's best to be creative and original. It reduces fustration and makes mixing more interesting. It's also a far better feeling to know you created something thats original and all your own.
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Danny has a very good point. I am new to this DIY scene and even though there are a few ejuice flavors I would love to clone I am happy making my own unique creations. I find that I'm pretty happy with some of the stuff I've come up with. If I were trying to clone a juice, say Steamjunk Gargoyle(my favorite), I'd end up frustrated and unsatisfied.
Try making your own creations, you may be surprised at how good some of them are. Eventually you may be able to clone your favorite brands but I would guess that takes years of practice.
Try making your own creations, you may be surprised at how good some of them are. Eventually you may be able to clone your favorite brands but I would guess that takes years of practice.
slow start and step by step approach is the key, start to get to the point where you can have a nice juice with one flavor only, it sounds easy but nailing the exact good proportion of flavoring / nic / vg / pg that will be the best you can get accordingly to your taste is a necessary step.
I started with apple, took me some time to get the right amount of flavoring to get this simple juice to be pleasant, then I added caramel, ventured into strawberry with the same approach and then added mint, and so on.
So mixing only two flavours may not recreate the amazing premium juice you like, but if you can do that right, then you can move on to more elaborated recipes while enjoying simple but satisfying juices you've mixed.
I started with apple, took me some time to get the right amount of flavoring to get this simple juice to be pleasant, then I added caramel, ventured into strawberry with the same approach and then added mint, and so on.
So mixing only two flavours may not recreate the amazing premium juice you like, but if you can do that right, then you can move on to more elaborated recipes while enjoying simple but satisfying juices you've mixed.
As others said, honey is really tough to get right. If your honey tastes terrible, it's either a horrible honey (there are more honey flavors no one has gotten right than ones someone has) or you're mixing it too strong. Try making a few mixes - one as dilute as possible, one double that, one ten times that. Give them all a lot of shaking, then leave them for a week or longer. Starting with the weakest, try them in order of concentration. If they're all unvapeable, give up on that honey and search the forums for a honey which had a consensus of "good". And good luck!
Exactly.
I am an artist and I often meet people that are at my shows, or anywhere really, that tell me they'd love to be an artist or that they'd love to paint like me or any random artist. I tell them they should try to make a painting, but I would never suggest to them to go home and start out by trying to make my painting or any other painting that already exists -- well, unless they have a love for Barnett Newman. LOL. Occasionally there are times when cloning a liquid, like certain Hangsen premades, are as easy as 1-2-3, but it's also rare that people are stressing over those liquids. Cloning a liquid has its own rewards (or so I've heard), but that is only one aspect of DIY and many here never go there. Remember, there are hoards of flavoring companies out there -- some that regular customers don't even have access to -- and it is huge assumption that our frequently used flavoring manufacturers have those exact flavorings, or even flavorings that can approximate the ones used by some "artisan mixer".
I attempted to clone many vender juices and some of my attempts got very close. In trying to clone those juices I've come up with my own unique recipes that I now prefer far more then the original I was trying to clone.
My favorite when I was a new vapor was prime 15 by halo. I got darn close and occupied many of the halo thread pages with my many successes. I've since went on to just concentrate on the taste I was after in an attempt to come up with the best prime type nutty 555 mix and not try to produce an exact clone. Today I have many variations of this and I recently vaped some prime 15 and came to the conclusion that I much prefer my evolved versions far more then the original.
My favorite when I was a new vapor was prime 15 by halo. I got darn close and occupied many of the halo thread pages with my many successes. I've since went on to just concentrate on the taste I was after in an attempt to come up with the best prime type nutty 555 mix and not try to produce an exact clone. Today I have many variations of this and I recently vaped some prime 15 and came to the conclusion that I much prefer my evolved versions far more then the original.
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oh I can concur. I nearly killed my husband with 20% caramel cappuccino from TFA when I first started. of course that was one of my first mixes and I didn't do enough research. well my husband survived but now several years later I make very complex 13 to 14 flavor mixes that he loves so much. It just takes a lot of patience and research. Do you research on each flavor and get the correct percentage for each. Or if you don't want to do the research test each of them out. Make a 1% Batch2% 5% 10% and test each of them out find your hotspot.each flavor company has there Gems and yes some flavors do stink. However I've been able to take some horrible flowery flavors that people don't want to touch mix them at very low percentage and find out the actually bloom when mixed right. Also you have to be aware a lot of flavor companies use alcohol and other solvents that do not vape really well until the juice is properly steeped. Dyi requires a lot of patience, trial and error, taking diligent notes, place your mix on the steeping shelf, let it steep a few weeks test it and try again. And then O remix and try again.
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I'm with Danny on this one...except for the Prime15. I didn't like any of the Halo juices, but I did like Casablanca from BWB, and Dark Horse form HHV. I tried to clone Casablanca at first and had some near misses, but Eventually I came up with my own mixture which IMO is a lot better. I'm vaping it now as a matter of fact. It's Called CELTA, and is a mixture of 2 tobaccos, peanut Butter, and Cocoa.....Luv it!!!! Dark Horse, one of the best juices out there (my opinion) came to me by accident while testing some of E-cigarette Express' Flavor Express tobacco flavors.
According to my Database I've made close to 300 juices, not counting straight up flavors and NETS, But I only have about 20 juices that ended up in 30ml bottles. It's the hunt, as much as the trophy.
These 20 juices are better than anything on the market since I've last bought a juice(about a year ago).
Moneywise it's getting cheaper, because I'm only re-purchasing the flavors I like.....well, except for German Flavors; I bought a few and loved most of them, so I GOTTA try some more.
But I do look at recipes, and clone recipes because it gives me ideas, but in the long run even recipes are someone's personal cookup, and may not work for everyone else.
According to my Database I've made close to 300 juices, not counting straight up flavors and NETS, But I only have about 20 juices that ended up in 30ml bottles. It's the hunt, as much as the trophy.
These 20 juices are better than anything on the market since I've last bought a juice(about a year ago).
Moneywise it's getting cheaper, because I'm only re-purchasing the flavors I like.....well, except for German Flavors; I bought a few and loved most of them, so I GOTTA try some more.
But I do look at recipes, and clone recipes because it gives me ideas, but in the long run even recipes are someone's personal cookup, and may not work for everyone else.
Now that's my type of mixture. I love the nutty vapes with just a touch of chocolate. I put a touch of chocolate cream in just about every tobacco I make. It adds that special fullness, texture and body without adding excess sweetness.
Starting small with single flavors is the way to go.
I've been at this a while and have made some really good juices with 6 to 8 different flavors in them. But would it surprise you if I told you that my every day daily vape for the last 2 years, the one I'm vaping right now as I type this has only 2 flavors in it?
Are you starting to see a pattern here
I've been at this a while and have made some really good juices with 6 to 8 different flavors in them. But would it surprise you if I told you that my every day daily vape for the last 2 years, the one I'm vaping right now as I type this has only 2 flavors in it?
Are you starting to see a pattern here
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My very first few batches, including Mother's Milk, I find are better than the originals.
Also very important IMO is DO NOT go by "drops", there is no standard "drop".
Get an electronic scale, this one from Amazon is great and all you need.
1ml = 1mg invariably.
http://www.amazon.ca/American-Weigh...r_1_1?s=kitchen&ie=UTF8&qid=1418240066&sr=1-1
Also, an Ultrasonic Cleaner ( a good one, minimum 150W) does wonders in reducing/eliminating steep times.
My very first few batches, including Mother's Milk, I find are better than the originals.
Also very important IMO is DO NOT go by "drops", there is no standard "drop".
Get an electronic scale, this one from Amazon is great and all you need.
1ml = 1mg invariably.
http://www.amazon.ca/American-Weigh...r_1_1?s=kitchen&ie=UTF8&qid=1418240066&sr=1-1
Also, an Ultrasonic Cleaner ( a good one, minimum 150W) does wonders in reducing/eliminating steep times.
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