My Doctor's Reaction To My PV

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Remie

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I had an appointment last Thursday with my Primary Care Physician. I've been seeing him for over ten years and he knows my heavy smoking history well.

He's never pressured me to quit, he completely understands the stress-smoking connection (and my personal situation and circumstances which cause a great deal of stress and anxiety) and can truly empathize as he's struggled with quitting smoking as well over the years.

I proudly announced "I quit smoking over a month ago!". He sat back and raised his eyebrows. I really believe he thought I was joking around. I nodded emphatically, "No, really! I quit!". He laughed and looked puzzled and said, "How?"

I asked, "Have you heard about e-cigs?"
I pulled out my PV and showed him. He told me he's heard about them and read about them, but hasn't actually seen one. He was really interested and curious. I vaped on it for him and blew a big cloud of vapor in his face. He chuckled and said it smelled good. We chatted about it for a while, and I blew a few more vapor clouds at him.

He listened to my lungs. I have a long history of asthma, I received a COPD diagnosis 16 months ago, and have frequent bouts of asthmatic bronchitis that can get bad enough to buy me a 5 day hospital stay about once a year, plus I have 2 small lung nodules that they've been watching regularly for a couple of years.

He said, "Wow, this is the first time I have ever listened to your lungs and heard nothing... no wheezing at all, you are completely clear!"

He asked me how often I need to do breathing treatments and if I'm using my Advair and my Xopenex (or albuterol) rescue inhalers. I reported that I haven't needed my nebulizer (so no breathing treatments) and I have stopped my Advair and have maybe used my rescue inhaler ... twice? only because I had some tightness after using my fireplace every night for several weeks.

It was honest and safe to say that I have been breathing much better and I notice increased stamina and increased ability to do a lot of things easily as opposed to the tightness, wheezing, shortness of breath and exhaustion I'd learned to just put up with over the years.

He was visibly and verbally very pleased, and seemed rather excited and happy for me!

He made a big deal of showing me what he wrote on my chart. "Quit smoking - non-smoker"

He also gave me two big thumbs up on vaping. He said he doesn't see any problem with it at all and said he wishes more people who have a hard time quitting would try it.

I asked him if he wanted one, or the information on where to get one and he told me that he would have no hesitation using one but he was finally able to just quit on his own.

My doctor is a Registered Pharmacist, PHD in Clinical Psychology, and dual board certified in Internal Medicine and Pediatrics.

He's current, relevant and if he doesn't know the answer to a question, or is stumped by a particular problem he will say so, do the required research and follow up with documentation when he reports back his recommendations.

It was positive all the way around and I felt really proud of myself!

So - I am happy to say I got a big :thumbs: from my physician, and a Way to Go! on quitting... a "quit smoking - non-smoker" status in my chart, and encouragement to keep it up because my lungs sound "markedly improved".

I am not due to see the Pulmonologist until June, and I am only looking forward to good news after my next pulmonary function and nuclear diagnostic testing :)

I just had to share!! :)

vape on :thumb:
 

T0xXx1k

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at my last dr appointment i had the whole office excited by mine lol i go to the army base for that myself, my husband is active duty. they have this big quit-smoking program that they bug you about everytime you come in no matter what for. it partly for "research" so i've been told. however they also don't seem to have any idea what exactly they are researching or using to help you quit.

Either way, when it came to that point of the appointment questionnaire and i said i no longer smoked and tried to explain and the nurse says,"i haven't seen one yet do you have it on you?"
i was so excited haha i had 3 ARMY nurses and drs so excited and asking me to do it again. they thought it was amazing.
 

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Thanks everyone!!

Actually, CaptJay - it did come up briefly. He happens to be baffled (and angered) by many of the things the FDA does and he doesn't like it at all.

We talked about the ridiculous and hyperboles scare tactics and the common consumer's unfounded fear because most laypersons do not understand the FDA ulterior motive and ultimate long term agendas. Lobbying, politicking, etc. by Big Pharma have made it so easy for BP to shove "the newest and best" into people's minds through widespread commercial huge dollar ad campaigning while squashing and making obsolete the older, safe, cheaper and effective medications with proven track records.

He agreed that the FDA's insistence on wasting huge amounts of tax dollars by fighting to take control in areas where they are clearly overstepping their boundaries by throwing around their assumed weight in arenas that clearly do not fit the protocol and would clearly only impose higher consumer cost and restrictions isn't limited to only PV related products. (look at vitamins and other dietary supplements as another example)

He touched briefly on the fact that PG has been used safely in all kinds of FDA approved medicine for decades. He knows that I'm aware that PG is used in FDA approved prescription inhalation medications for asthma, bronchitis, COPD, etc. and he shrugged, shook his head and couldn't understand a logical reason to be afraid to use it as a vaporized form of nicotine delivery system. PG is an ingredient in the Nicotrol Inhaler, which is an expensive FDA approved prescription nicotine replacement drug.

Nicotine addiction is not dangerous in and of itself. It's the burning tobacco and the thousands of chemicals that posed the serious health risks and complications.

We both mentioned that especially since the strict CDC hospital protocol put in place post H1N1 there has been an increase in the use of PG "misting boxes" in Emergency Rooms, Pediatric Units and the hospital I've worked at (the same hospital he admits patients to) has PG misting systems installed in the ER and on the Pediatric Unit.

He kind of chuckled during the brief PG chat when I mentioned that we've been exposed to PG daily via our mouthwash, lotions, creams, topical OTC medications, soaps, shampoo... an almost endless list. He nodded, shrugged and repeated that he's of the opinion and belief that logically from a biological standpoint, he doesn't see a problem using "vaporized" PG as an inhaled nicotine delivery system.

As far as becoming an outspoken advocate, most physician's resources are already tapped and they haven't been immune to the toll the economy has taken on running a profitable medical practice. They are up against enough as far as crack downs and being scrutinized in areas that effect a lot more people than those of us who want no restrictions imposed by the FDA on PV products.

Being given an enthusiastic approval and having it marked in our charts that we have been successful at quitting smoking - and being validated and confirmed as "non-smokers" in our medical records might go a long way at some point to benefit the cause. The long term success rates have yet to be studied, proven and documented.

I think this is where we will be pioneers of future research and proof that using PVs as not only a "safer alternative" to smoking but a statistically proven high success rate method of quitting smoking long term will benefit the future of vaping.

Wow - if any of what I just typed made sense... I will be surprised. I pulled an all-nighter and it's 8:00am LOL... I think my brain exploded. I need coffee :)
 
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Remie

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at my last dr appointment i had the whole office excited by mine lol i go to the army base for that myself, my husband is active duty. they have this big quit-smoking program that they bug you about everytime you come in no matter what for. it partly for "research" so i've been told. however they also don't seem to have any idea what exactly they are researching or using to help you quit.

Either way, when it came to that point of the appointment questionnaire and i said i no longer smoked and tried to explain and the nurse says,"i haven't seen one yet do you have it on you?"
i was so excited haha i had 3 ARMY nurses and drs so excited and asking me to do it again. they thought it was amazing.

Awesome!!! This is where we are going to make progress!! Congrats!!
 

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...Being given an enthusiastic approval and having it marked in our charts that we have been successful at quitting smoking - and being validated and confirmed as "non-smokers" in our medical records might go a long way at some point to benefit the cause. The long term success rates have yet to be studied, proven and documented.

I think this is where we will be pioneers of future research and proof that using PVs as not only a "safer alternative" to smoking but a statistically proven high success rate method of quitting smoking long term will benefit the future of vaping.

I really enjoyed your story and so look forward to reading these when members post them.

I'm one of these old stubborn goats who doesn't care or bother with doctors unless I really have to. Back when I was a kid, personal hygiene was not a big issue, at least nothing like it is today. It was not uncommon to go play football at Columbus Park in South Boston where humans and animals shared dirt on a daily basis in many ways, run home for a quick bologna sandwich without washing my hands and back to an afternoon of play in the dirt. Sure, my parents did their part to remind me to wash up, but it just wasn't a big deal. My belief is that because of what some may consider my unsanitary upbringing, I have built up a very strong immune system over the years.

Throughout my life I've had my share of common illnesses like a cold or flu, but that almost always happened once every 7 years. The last flu I caught was back in December. I felt fine one night and all of a sudden got a chill in my body at 9 p.m. By midnight I had a temperature of 103°, took two aspirin, went back to bed and by 8 a.m. the next morning it was gone and I was back to normal. I know that this world is full of germs and bacteria and all kinds of nasty stuff, but I think that too many parents go a little too far to ensure that their children are too clean. Kids need to be exposed to a certain amount of nasty to help them build up their own immune system but they are never given the opportunities to do so. When people get the flu shot they are actually getting a mild dose of the flu, just enough for the body to react to it, to fight it, to build up a stronger immunity to it to get them through the "flu-season". I haven't gotten a flu shot since back in my military days when we had to.

My point is that today it seems that some doctors are too quick to prescribe meds they think may cure what they think is wrong with us. I've had high blood pressure (very high) for years and of course my doc put me on meds for it which really didn't help much at all. When I started vaping I also stopped with the meds and since then my blood pressure has returned to normal. It is just so refreshing to hear so many stories about doctors who give their thumbs up to vaping. Yes, vaping has not been around very long, but I have yet to hear one single story about someone who has gotten seriously ill from vaping or even died because of it.

Today it's all about politics, money and control. I think it will be a few years before the worst of the fighting about e-cigs is over but in the end I believe it will be accepted and approved but taxed to death. Eventually the cost of vaping will equal or surpass the cost of smoking all in governments efforts to tax it and control it. That's why with the support of doctors just like yours that vaping will become a legal option to smoking.

Time for me to shut up...

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Excellent post Remie. :)

Stories like this are what will win us the war against the anti-vapers of Big Government, Big Tobacco and bigots like ASH.

Lots of doctors will be hearing similar stories and seeing the benefits being reaped by their patients, they will talk to each other and e-cigs will eventually win the backing of these folks.


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Remie

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No shortsuff! lol don't shut up! I enjoy your posts, and your point of view! I happen to agree!

I grew up in NYC and walked barefoot everywhere! I rode the subways barefoot, hiked Central Park barefoot as a kid when every entrance to the park was manned by drug pushers displaying the drugs openly! Played on playgrounds in Brooklyn alone as a very young child, with my younger siblings in tow!

I also was riding the subway and public bus to school alone when I was 9. This would cause parents today outrage and they'd turn my parents into Child Protective Services lol! We played in the dirt, we didn't always get antibiotics for every little infection, being home sick for a week with a nasty bug was a rite of passage.

Today we have "super-bugs" like Community acquired MRSA, Klebsiella (an enterobacteria), Acinetobacter baumannii - the microbes seem to be winning.

Overuse of antibiotics coupled with some unsound practices in the pharmaceutical manufacturing industry has contributed towards the likelihood of creating antibiotic resistant strains.

The FDA approves these medications and Big Pharma has made sure that a parent doesn't feel satisfied or treated properly unless they walk out of the physician's office with a prescription.

Do they actually ask what the medication is? Why it's being prescribed? Is this infection self-limiting and not dangerous if it's not treated with drugs? Do they look the medication up and educate themselves? The information is all readily available today...

We've become a society of germaphobic hypochondriacs.

You are another great example of how quitting smoking and vaping has reaped you huge health benefits. To be able to have your blood pressure return to normal without medication is HUGE! Congrats!!

You've been vaping a whole lot longer than I have, so it's really encouraging to see that long term you are stabilized, med free and continue to reap positive benefits from vaping! Reading your story certainly encourages me to keep on this path!

/end rant - my brain is really hurting now, I think it's going to explode - I should stop! :lol:

vape on! :)
 
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