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CarolT

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But like tj said this pales in comparison to:

"In 2011, an estimated 17,600 smoking-material home structure fires caused 490 civilian deaths (19% of all home structure fire deaths), 1,370 civilian injuries and $516 million in direct property damage."
Those are practically all ALCOHOL-related, when drunks pass out. Likewise this is the root cause of most cooking-related fires, which are much more common than supposed smoking material fires. And alcohol makes everything else unsafe, too.
 
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Those are practically all ALCOHOL-related, when drunks pass out. Likewise this is the root cause of most cooking-related fires, which are much more common than supposed smoking material fires. And alcohol makes everything else unsafe, too.

Well, if the drunks were vaping they'd either stop pressing the button -or- hit the limit of time before it cut off... unless it's a mech mod... maybe alcohol is related to the battery venting too! Hmmm... Maybe we should put ethylene vinyl acetate(carpet glue) in rings around the batteries. :lol:
 

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Those are practically all ALCOHOL-related, when drunks pass out. Likewise this is the root cause of most cooking-related fires, which are much more common than supposed smoking material fires. And alcohol makes everything else unsafe, too.
I wouldn't be surprised that a large number of these would be alcohol related. It's funny that the report that I read from the NFPA didn't mention that factor at all. Where did you read that "practically all" smoking-material home fires were alcohol related?
 

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I wouldn't be surprised that a large number of these would be alcohol related. It's funny that the report that I read from the NFPA didn't mention that factor at all. Where did you read that "practically all" smoking-material home fires were alcohol related?
From a study years ago that over 80% of fatalities in home fires were legally drunk at time of death. That's what can be reliably measured, anyway; nobody can keep track of many little ashtray fires etc. that are noticed and extinguished by sober people, with no fire department involvement.
 
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"Possibly impaired by alcohol” was identified as a contributing factor in an annual average of 310, or 12%, of home fire deaths from 2005 to 2009. “Possibly impaired by other drug or chemical” was a contributing factor in 130, or 5%, of the deaths. In some cases, both of these factors were cited. In all, a possible impairment by either alcohol or drugs was a factor in an average of 380, or 14%, of all home fire deaths.
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In fire deaths in which alcohol or drug impairment was a possible factor, 42% of the deaths resulted from fires started by smoking materials (i.e., lighted tobacco products but not matches or lighters). Heating equipment was involved in 17% of these deaths, and cooking equipment in 13%. Fifteen percent of the victims died from fires that were intentionally set."

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"It, too, is estimated that alcohol is involved in 40 percent of all residential fire deaths.8 There is, however, no equivalent and comprehensive body of research for the relationship between alcohol and fire. A myriad of research exists when relating alcohol use and vehicular accidents, homicide, and suicide, but not for fires. For this reason, it may appear that alcohol is less related to the incidence of fire when compared to other unintentional injuries than it really is."

--> https://www.smu.edu/-/media/Site/St...een-Alcohol-and-Casualties-of-Fire.ashx?la=en
 

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Thank you

I'd say the 80% is over the top, but alcohol is still a huge contributor. That said, from personal experience, there were times that I was just dead tired, smoking and fell asleep. No alcohol involved, just fell asleep holding a cigarette. I'd bet that most smokers/ex-smokers can remember those times.... when you've got a cig in your hand all the time...
 
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I'd say the 80% is over the top, but alcohol is still a huge contributor. That said, from personal experience, there were times that I was just dead tired, smoking and fell asleep. No alcohol involved, just fell asleep holding a cigarette. I'd bet that most smokers/ex-smokers can remember those times.... when you've got a cig in your hand all the time...
Yep, sure can. If you were lucky the cig burned your fingers, before it dropped to the sofa.
 
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