My mom - Bless her heart! (ALA Correspondence)

[sonicdsl]

My dear mother, who just a year ago I would've labeled an "ANTZ" (if I had known the term then), is now no more than anti-cigarette! (I taught her well! ). Well unbeknownst to me, she decided to write to the American Lung Association, as she has always been a strong supporter of them (and ACA, etc.), due to her father's death of emphysema (caused by cigarettes), and other reasons. She is still sensitive to smoke, due to growing up in a smoke-filled house (and other factors I'm sure), but she lets me vape in her house, because she's open-minded enough to learn new things.

Anyway, I'm sharing this because of the canned response from the ALA, and was curious of other's opinions, especially Bill's or CASAA folk. Her feelings haven't strayed, but she thought perhaps I could write to them with the science. Bless her heart!

HER EMAIL TO ALA:

Please wait until more research can be done on e-cigarettes before condemning them. They are SO SO SO much better than regular cigarettes, since they do not have all the added chemicals that are in the HORRIBLE regular cigarettes. There are so many people who have quit smoking or cut WAY down on nicotine and of course NO ADDED CHEMICALS like regular ones pushed by BIG tobacco!!
I know people personally and know there are bound to be many more healthier people if we keep e-cigarettes as a much better option for quitting than current recommended therapies and products.
Thank you.

ALA'S RESPONSE:

Thank you for your interest in the American Lung Association. There is still no scientific evidence that e‐cigarettes can help smokers quit (WHO | Marketers of electronic cigarettes should halt unproved therapy claims) Until and unless the FDA approves a specific e‐cigarette for use as a tobacco cessation aid, the American Lung Association does not support any direct or implied claims that e‐cigarettes help smokers quit. ( http://www.lung.org/associations/ch...dfs/programs/msb/e-cigarette-fact-sheet-1.pdf).

Sincerely,
Gabriela

HER NOTE TO ME WHEN FORWARDING THIS TO ME:

This response is no surprise, I'm sure. Maybe you could write to them and add some "scientific info.". Guess it's all up to the FDA anyway...

I'm frustrated they are linking to BP, er I mean WHO, and their PDF has outdated information. I gave her a couple links from CASAA.org on e-cig myths.

Anyway, bless her for trying to be helpful, and dangit this really frustrates me, because I feel like we're talking to brick walls!

 

[Petrodus]

ALA'S RESPONSE:
Thank you for your interest in the American Lung Association.
There is still no scientific evidence that e-cigarettes can help smokers quit...

By all means ...
Don't talk to the Millions who switched to vaping!
That wouldn't be "scientific evidence" !!

 

[VapApe]

We also need a brown ribbon with a no BS logo

 

[sonicdsl]

We also need a brown ribbon with a no BS logo

I like the way you think!

Sent from my Galaxy Tab with Tapatalk2

 

[Petrodus]

 

[Bill Godshall]

The ALA is lying when claiming "There is still no scientific evidence that e‐cigarettes can help smokers quit (WHO | Marketers of electronic cigarettes should halt unproved therapy claims)", as I've sent them all the scientific evidence.

And to rely on a four year old press release (to justify a claim that there is no scientific evidence) is not very scientific or up-to-date.

Then the ALA reveals that it won't even consider any scientific evidence by claiming "Until and unless the FDA approves a specific e‐cigarette for use as a tobacco cessation aid, the American Lung Association does not support any direct or implied claims that e‐cigarettes help smokers quit. ( http://www.lung.org/associations/cha...ct-sheet-1.pdf)."

The scientific evidence has zero relationship to the FDA's classification of e-cigarettes.

And since the ALA issued this so-called fact sheet after the FDA conceded that e-cigarettes are legally considered tobacco products (not therapeutic drugs), ALA's refusal to even consider supporting e-cigarettes (regardless of the scientific evidence) unless/until they are approved by the FDA as smoking cessation drugs demonstrates that ALA has zero interest in the scientific evidence on e-cigarettes or their public health impact.

Rather, the ALA is only interested in demonizing the products (and to continue trying to ban them), as no e-cigarette company is likely to spend millions of dollars on clinical trials to apply to the FDA to approve their product as a "smoking cessatin aid".

 

[RosaJ]

I read the other day that there was something like 25% to 30% less smokers now than the last time they counted. How can they prove the drop was due to big pharma products working? I bet they looked at the dwindling sin taxes and then looked at bp revenues on their gums, patches, chantix, etc., and realized that people must be using something bp is not selling. It's so very obvious to me. They're willing to pay the media, junk scientists and junk professors/universities billions of dollars to preach the evil of ecigs. It's like it's a new religion. There was a time in the history of the world when the world was flat and if you said otherwise you were burnt at the stake.

 

[Petrodus]

The sad reality is ...
It has nothing to do with the truth. Its all about their agenda.

 

[AG51]

I loves your Mommy Sonics Give her a hug from us please

 

[Petrodus]

Then the ALA reveals that it won't even consider any scientific evidence by claiming "Until and unless the FDA approves a specific e‐cigarette for use as a tobacco cessation aid...

So ...
The ALA will consider scientific evidence when

pigs fly

 

[Vocalek]

There is no scientific evidence that the folks who run ALA have a brain.

No, that was cruel. Let me reword that.

There is no scientific evidence that the folks who run ALA give a rat's behind whether smokers are able to quit, which means that there is no scientific evidence that the folks who run ALA care one smidgen about lung health.

 

[sonicdsl]

The ALA is lying when claiming "There is still no scientific evidence that e‐cigarettes can help smokers quit (WHO | Marketers of electronic cigarettes should halt unproved therapy claims)", as I've sent them all the scientific evidence.

And to rely on a four year old press release (to justify a claim that there is no scientific evidence) is not very scientific or up-to-date.

Then the ALA reveals that it won't even consider any scientific evidence by claiming "Until and unless the FDA approves a specific e‐cigarette for use as a tobacco cessation aid, the American Lung Association does not support any direct or implied claims that e‐cigarettes help smokers quit. ( http://www.lung.org/associations/cha...ct-sheet-1.pdf)."

The scientific evidence has zero relationship to the FDA's classification of e-cigarettes.

And since the ALA issued this so-called fact sheet after the FDA conceded that e-cigarettes are legally considered tobacco products (not therapeutic drugs), ALA's refusal to even consider supporting e-cigarettes (regardless of the scientific evidence) unless/until they are approved by the FDA as smoking cessation drugs demonstrates that ALA has zero interest in the scientific evidence on e-cigarettes or their public health impact.

Rather, the ALA is only interested in demonizing the products (and to continue trying to ban them), as no e-cigarette company is likely to spend millions of dollars on clinical trials to apply to the FDA to approve their product as a "smoking cessatin aid".

Thank you Bill, this is helpful. I've passed the info to my mom to help her understand more of what we're up against. It drives me crazy how people are so close-minded, and can be bought off so easily. The corruption is rampant, and something needs to happen somewhere, somehow, to fix it. Do we need an Occupy ALA? God, I hope not, but it's just as ridiculous!

I loves your Mommy Sonics Give her a hug from us please

Thanks MM! I'll do that

There is no scientific evidence that the folks who run ALA have a brain.

No, that was cruel. Let me reword that.

There is no scientific evidence that the folks who run ALA give a rat's behind whether smokers are able to quit, which means that there is no scientific evidence that the folks who run ALA care one smidgen about lung health.

Like I said in another post.... follow the money! There's no scientific evidence that ALA is not corrupt, therefore....

 

[sonicdsl]

Then the ALA reveals that it won't even consider any scientific evidence by claiming "Until and unless the FDA approves a specific e‐cigarette for use as a tobacco cessation aid, the American Lung Association does not support any direct or implied claims that e‐cigarettes help smokers quit. ( http://www.lung.org/associations/cha...ct-sheet-1.pdf)."

BTW Bill, this link appears to have a bit of a snafu....

 

[NorthOfAtlanta]

Like I said in another post.... follow the money! There's no scientific evidence that ALA is not corrupt, therefore....

I would be willing to bet that a forensic accountant could come up with some good proof that the majority of the alphabet groups are nothing more than pass-throughs for money to further Big Pharmas agenda.

 

[JENerationX]

I love your mom! My mom is an ex-smoker ANTZ.... she had her reservations when I started using e-cigs, but has seen firsthand over the past year what it's done for my health. She's now no longer anti e-cig. In fact about a week or so ago, she found a beautiful printed box she'd gotten a gift in and helped me cut it down to make a vape box for my nightstand to keep all my juices under control. She stopped harping on me about money spent on e-cig gear and juice, and started asking me if any of the stores offer gift certificates.

 

[sonicdsl]

I love your mom! My mom is an ex-smoker ANTZ.... she had her reservations when I started using e-cigs, but has seen firsthand over the past year what it's done for my health. She's now no longer anti e-cig. In fact about a week or so ago, she found a beautiful printed box she'd gotten a gift in and helped me cut it down to make a vape box for my nightstand to keep all my juices under control. She stopped harping on me about money spent on e-cig gear and juice, and started asking me if any of the stores offer gift certificates.

Thanks, me too!

Isn't it great to help educate the ignorant, whether they are a potential user (smoker you're trying to convert), or a non-user who needs to learn the truth! My mom is just shocked at the information I'm learning about the FDA, ALA, ACS, etc., etc.

 

[Petrodus]

Thanks, me too!

Isn't it great to help educate the ignorant, whether they are a potential user (smoker you're trying to convert), or a non-user who needs to learn the truth! My mom is just shocked at the information I'm learning about the FDA, ALA, ACS, etc., etc.

I'm sure many of us have similar stories ... here's mine

After 40+ years of smoking 2-3 packs a day and decades of my parents
pressuring me to quit ... I switched to vaping. Mom died of cancer and
Dad was pleased that I stopped smoking...However, he believed all the
lies about nicotine and your not really quitting till you quit nicotine

After a few months of cluing him about all the lies fed by the FDA, ALA, ETC
he finally accepted the truth. He still shakes his head in disbelief that
those who are responsible for protecting us ... BOLD FACE LIE.

The FDA and all the others ... believe in the concept if you tell the same
LIES over and over and over and over ... In time most will believe they are true.
And it Works !!