The Android vs iOS is pretty brutal. Those battles exist in blogs and forums that has nothing to do with them. Ever been to a knitting blog to find a nice Android vs iOS fanboy battle?
My reasons against sub-ohming
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The Android vs iOS is pretty brutal. Those battles exist in blogs and forums that has nothing to do with them. Ever been to a knitting blog to find a nice Android vs iOS fanboy battle?
Apple is better than android.
That's what I read just now.
Well, have you ever tried to eat an android?!?
Please... it's all about the Tizen
So in the knitting blog, do they use terms like Master Race, GOAT invention, butthurt and jelly? You generally see these terms quite frequently in a fanboy battle.
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Lol butthurt. It's been awhile since I read that one I need to check in on the gaming forums.
Man, have you seen the size some of those yams grow to? I imagine serious butthurt would ensue.
it's a little far in the thread to pick up this subject, but TJ is right about flavor and airflow vs chamber.
I can blow a pretty dang big cloud with my Spheroid set at 1.1 and 12 watts - it just takes a lot longer of a draw.
Smaller chambers produce better flavor - my Piculsci is a perfect example.
For drippers - look at the Hobo, espescially the V1.
Smaller chamber, more taste.
Now, a lot of people equate vapor production with taste, and that's flawed. Not wrong to like it, but equating flavor with vapor production is backwards.
As for the OP - pshaw
I can blow a pretty dang big cloud with my Spheroid set at 1.1 and 12 watts - it just takes a lot longer of a draw.
Smaller chambers produce better flavor - my Piculsci is a perfect example.
For drippers - look at the Hobo, espescially the V1.
Smaller chamber, more taste.
Now, a lot of people equate vapor production with taste, and that's flawed. Not wrong to like it, but equating flavor with vapor production is backwards.
As for the OP - pshaw
I find that smaller chambers focus taste more on singular notes, while slightly bigger chambers allow for more nuances. At least that's how it is with my current setups and liquids. Not stating this as gospel!
I don't know what you mean by the "divide" between low end and high end of vaping. I wouldn't know much about what's available at the moment, since I switched from protanks to drippers over a year ago, but just reading here, it seems as if the number of mods and types of tanks are more varied now, with better, adjustable airflow, more options on resistance, etc. That's a good thing!
Totally agree on "expertise." You're the expert on whatever gear you know about, have learned to be comfortable with. One type of gear is not superior to another. I kinda feel bad, as I used to know a lot about tanks. I've forgotten all about how they work, and am not even clear about what all is available out there
No more flawed than small chamber = flavor.
Though, thick, dense, massive vapor from the smallest chamber possible with plenty of air flow to make good turbulence at the coil is a fantastic start to a recipe for mind blowing, stomach curdling intense flavor.
The kind of flavor where it's so rich you have to cut it with clean base so it doesn't want to make you sick to your stomach or burn your nostrils out depending on the flavor being vaped.
I mean say what you will, but if small atty chamber was the end all, be all, cartos would have been the last real revolution in flavor chasing. The chamber's the size of the I.d. of the coil and the hole in the 510 drip tip. Doesn't get any smaller than that with what's on the market. And the sophia, diver, etc wouldn't be able to compare with no batting to reduce and nearly eliminate the chamber altogether.
Personally, I think we need to pay quite a bit more attention to what our tongues do in our mouths when we take pulls off of different setups and contemplate how that may effect our olfactory sensory perception.
For example... WattWick notices different notes... well that could be explained by different parts of the tongue responsible for different flavor categories being more or less exposed by the shape the tongue naturally takes on for different pull styles associated with different atties channeling the vape across the tongue differently.
Ever notice when people take a deep, relaxed breath, the tongue tends to get out of the way and drop to the bottom of the mouth and lie almost flat?
Or how it reacts the same when a singer bellows that high volume of low flow air to hit and hold the last high note.
But suckling tends to bring the tongue to the front for assistance as a muscle.
Or smoking cigs makes some people get their filters wet as their tongue encroached onto the front of the mouth.
Or how many people actually curl their tongues around a straw when drinking a thick milk shake.
I've noticed.
I've also noticed different tongue positions much the same in accordance with different vaping styles.
Maybe this is why every new atty or build rip trippers tries tastes better than the last one. He's trying to taste it more because it's new and he wants to describe it. Maybe ... just maybe ... He could be subcontiously skewing the results yet giving his honest impression?!?!?
I dunno.
What say you?
Or am I getting ahead of everybody? Or way too loony to comprehend?
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I can see where OP was coming from, but I think he's a bit off his rocker. I'm personally annoyed by this whole "volume vaping" fad, I feel that it is basically one big phallus measuring contest that makes vapers look like jerks, as the jerks that do it are some of the most prominent people from a non-vaper standpoint. I am often annoyed at the size of my clouds that I produce just trying to get that THUMP in my throat and chest that satisfies me. And I use a Vapor Flask DNA 40, lol. All that being said, even when I'm not using temp control I'm between .5 and 1 ohm. I like my gennies with mesh at 1 ohm, I like my Kayfun regulated at 12-13 watts at .9 ohms. I drip at .5-.6. And I do not cloud chase. I think it's annoying. People use sub ohm gear because it gives a good vape. People cloud chase for attention. Not necessarily negative attention but attention nonetheless. They do it for the attention and recognition that blowing a bigger cloud than you provides. But, OP, I hope you've realized that we used to vape at 2 ohms exclusively because nothing could really handle lower. Now that vaping gear has improved, many people build a bit lower because they genuinely enjoy the sensation. I know I do.
I have an issue with this statement. I just received a high wattage box mod and came from vaping at 1.5-1.8 ohm range in a kayfun and a RDA. Now with my new device I have 1.4ohm dripper, a 1.4ohm erl mini, and a 0.37 ohm dual coil dripper. Based on what you said I'm showing off. I use all these atomizers depending on the situation. I don't practice "breathing techniques" and I don't show off my vapor. If I have a few minutes to vape and only a few minutes I'd rather use my sub ohm atomizer. Why? Because in 5 draws I can put it down and I got my nic fix, I'm not blowing through liquid because I take way fewer drags than my erl mini or other single coil dripper.
I didn't read through this thread. I'm sure there's a bunch of "to each their own" and other statements. But you shouldn't put a blanket statement on everyone subohming. I can understand being against extreme subohming pushing crazy amps. Some people shouldn't sub ohm without the proper knowledge and yeah sure it's a show off competition sometimes, but some of theses build to get my quick nic fix need to be low. Why not just get higher nic liquid? Because I can only tolerate 6mg even on my tanks and single coil dripper. I thought sub ohm was ridiculous, but realized how efficient it is for getting nicotine quickly. If I vaped 0mg blowing clouds all day everywhere I went then sign me up for the obnoxious sub ohmer award.
I say: Vape whatever and however you want.
Personally I have no need for big clouds, but if it makes people happy to blow them, I'm not gonna tell 'em they shouldn't.
I vape small-chambered atties on bottom-feeders at between 15 and 20 watts. Most of the flavors I vape are store-bought, but I cut them with inexpensive unflavored juice. I find I actually get less flavor-fatigue that way.
I have been vaping 50/50 vg/pg out of the Atlantis. I now added vg to make it about 75vg. I get better clouds. Could it be possible it makes the coil last even longer with higher vg ?
Aw, shucks! I'm just a small town old guy and haven't seen another soul sucking on them electronic thingy's since my last trip to the city. I jus' have one of my young'un friends get on that computer thing and order me some of that good looking cool stuff so's I can enjoy a sweet puff now and again. Don't know what I'll do when the pony express horse dies, but have me a bit o stock pile until I can get back into the city next year. But gall durnit! Now I don't know what I'll do when the time comes. I guess I'll jus haveta duck into a dark alley somewhere to take a toke when I kin. Sure wish them department stores were open at night, oh wait! I hear WallyMart is now. That settles it. I'm gonna sneak in under cover of nighttime. Captain Midnight lives!
I knew I probably shouldn't do it at the time ... but I Googled it anyway. I mean it couldn't possibly mean what it seemed like it might mean.
Oh well, at least I learned something from this thread.
First off I dont, and a lot of people feel the same, consider "sub ohming" as you call it anything out of the norm. It's just vaping. I couldn't tell you the last time I vaped above 1 ohm. I also couldn't tell you the last time I used a tank of any kind. Nic levels, if you're Vaping with a device that has the capability to make you sick from too much nic intake too fast and you're using 12 nic then you aren't educated enough to be using said device and you get what you deserve. As far as the battery thing, come on man! You're not serious?? Two words: regulated.device. My all day Vape is between 85 and 165 watts, usually around 100-120. Just depends on the RDA, build and the juice. Again, regulated device. I haven't read the rest of the thread, I'm about to. but I had to comment. People need to stop with the "it's a pissing contest" "my clouds are bigger than yours" "showing off." Just not the case. That's what people enjoy. It has nothing to do with outdoing anyone else. For me it's a hobby. I like rda's, I like high powered regulated, and gasp UNREGULATED, boxes. I like building coils. That's how I vape. I also talk to other vapers, shop owners, modders, juice mixers, etc all day everyday. I've never once heard anyone, not one person, say they had concerns about "sub ohming" and they were going to pull products. Lol, that just sounds ridiculous.
There are a few different niches within vaping now. Cloud chasers happen to be one of them. One of the bigger segments actually. 9/10 are extremely educated and know exactly what they're doing and how to do it safely. You don't get it, it's not your thing op. That's fine. But don't talk bad about something just because you're not into it. That's petty and childish. Why people have to hate on things that they just downright don't understand is beyond me. This is the way some vapers do things now and that's how it's going to be. No one is telling you that you can't use a protank. Go for it. But again cloud chasing is no longer "cloud chasing," or "sub ohming." It's just vaping. Just because it's not the way you do it doesn't make it the wrong way.
There are a few different niches within vaping now. Cloud chasers happen to be one of them. One of the bigger segments actually. 9/10 are extremely educated and know exactly what they're doing and how to do it safely. You don't get it, it's not your thing op. That's fine. But don't talk bad about something just because you're not into it. That's petty and childish. Why people have to hate on things that they just downright don't understand is beyond me. This is the way some vapers do things now and that's how it's going to be. No one is telling you that you can't use a protank. Go for it. But again cloud chasing is no longer "cloud chasing," or "sub ohming." It's just vaping. Just because it's not the way you do it doesn't make it the wrong way.
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