My reasons against sub-ohming

[bulldog63h]

Not even going to read the entire thread, seeing as how these pop up on a regular basis, and nothing new is ever brought to the table. I just have to follow the OP's lead and throw out my opinion. I vape the way I vape for no ones benifit but mine. I'm rarely in a position for anyone to see how much vapor I'm producing. It's purely for personal satisfaction. Here's where my opinion comes in. Seeing as how these threads are done, like I said, over and over again, maybe those who post to complain about us egotistical, show off, attention seeking high volume vapers are truly the attention seekers. If anyone wanted to read a post bashing high volume vapers, all they would have to do is read one of what has to be by now, hundreads of threads littering the forum on exactly the same topic. I'd even wager that many of the titles are word for word the same. I think, rather than worrying what the Jonses are up to, we should devote that time and energy to enjoying our outstanding hobby and be thankful we aren't smoking anymore.

 

[windxrunner]

No more flawed than small chamber = flavor.

Though, thick, dense, massive vapor from the smallest chamber possible with plenty of air flow to make good turbulence at the coil is a fantastic start to a recipe for mind blowing, stomach curdling intense flavor.

The kind of flavor where it's so rich you have to cut it with clean base so it doesn't want to make you sick to your stomach or burn your nostrils out depending on the flavor being vaped.

I mean say what you will, but if small atty chamber was the end all, be all, cartos would have been the last real revolution in flavor chasing. The chamber's the size of the I.d. of the coil and the hole in the 510 drip tip. Doesn't get any smaller than that with what's on the market. And the sophia, diver, etc wouldn't be able to compare with no batting to reduce and nearly eliminate the chamber altogether.

Personally, I think we need to pay quite a bit more attention to what our tongues do in our mouths when we take pulls off of different setups and contemplate how that may effect our olfactory sensory perception.

For example... WattWick notices different notes... well that could be explained by different parts of the tongue responsible for different flavor categories being more or less exposed by the shape the tongue naturally takes on for different pull styles associated with different atties channeling the vape across the tongue differently.

Ever notice when people take a deep, relaxed breath, the tongue tends to get out of the way and drop to the bottom of the mouth and lie almost flat?

Or how it reacts the same when a singer bellows that high volume of low flow air to hit and hold the last high note.

But suckling tends to bring the tongue to the front for assistance as a muscle.

Or smoking cigs makes some people get their filters wet as their tongue encroached onto the front of the mouth.

Or how many people actually curl their tongues around a straw when drinking a thick milk shake.

I've noticed.

I've also noticed different tongue positions much the same in accordance with different vaping styles.

Maybe this is why every new atty or build rip trippers tries tastes better than the last one. He's trying to taste it more because it's new and he wants to describe it. Maybe ... just maybe ... He could be subcontiously skewing the results yet giving his honest impression?!?!?

I dunno.

What say you?

Or am I getting ahead of everybody? Or way too loony to comprehend?

Sent from my device.

Man, I never thought about that. I was sitting taking deep breaths, suckling, going, "By Jove! He's on to something!" How you hold your device may have something to do with it, as a lot of flavor comes from your pallet and nose.

 

[beckdg]

Man, I never thought about that. I was sitting taking deep breaths, suckling, going, "By Jove! He's on to something!" How you hold your device may have something to do with it, as a lot of flavor comes from your pallet and nose.

Yeah man.

I mean, surely there's more to it than just that.

Particle size, saturation, temperature, etc probably contribute a lot to how much settles on the tongue and sinuses, how it penetrates, etc.

But if most of it's just bypassing the sensory receptors...

I mean it has to be obvious that more... massive amounts more... has much more potential to deliver. And boy can it...

Sent from my device.

 

[Oberon75]

what on earth is GOAT invention?

Greatest Of All Time

Sent from my HTC One M8 Harman/Kardon edition

 

[ST Dog]

That's because both camps are misguided. PC gaming is clearly the superior choice.

I still love the Atari 2600.

 

[ST Dog]

This said, most of the time I am outside, walking in shops or driving in traffic, my only desire is that the vape was invisible. I read on forums that there are one million of vapers in the UK, I haven't seen one around yet. This make for the fact that, unless you are smoking a cig-a-like in public, you will gain the oddest and strangest looks one can hardly imagine

Who cares what others think.
Are you ashamed?

Maybe you don't see them because they are inside instead of being shunned out the door like tobacco users.

Perhaps you should be strong and not worry about what others think.
Show off you new toys. Invite questions. Spread knowledge.


I remember when smartphones were new and rare. No one hid them. Many were constantly showing them to others.
No they are the norm (though people still show off their latest) and flip phones are the oddity.


As long as people feel shame and hide it, vaping won't be normal, least of all to those hiding.

 

[realsis]

will this thread ever die!! ??

 

[AndriaD]

I've never heard of anyone who sells or uses 100pc PG liquid. Is that common in the UK?

I've run into 1 or 2 around here that use 100% PG, but it's a lot rarer than 100% VG users. I prefer extremely high PG myself, and 80%-85% doesn't bother me at all, but when I vaped 90% PG for several days in a row, it literally burned the inside of my sinuses and my throat -- I was afraid I might have strep, my throat was so painful and red, but I had no fever, so I quit worrying and went back to 80% PG. It finally cleared up and sloughed off the dead skin from the burn, but I won't push the PG that hard again, that's for sure.

Andria

 

[Jonner]

With apologies to Sir Mix-a-Lot

I like big clouds and I can not lie
You other vapers can't deny
That when a guy walks in with an itty bitty mod
And blows a big cloud up to God
You get sprung
Wanna pull up tough
'cause you notice that liquid was puffed
Deep in the tank he's carrying
I'm hooked and I can't stop staring
Oh, vapor I wanna get with ya
And take your picture
My homeboys tried to warn me
But that vapor you got
Make Me so horney
Ooh, cloud of smooth vapors
You say you wanna taste all my flavors
Well vape me vape me 'cause you aint that average caper
I've seen them sub-ohming
To hell with all this cloning
It’s like a Jet,Wet, got it goin like a turbo vette
I'm tired of forums
Saying thin vapor is the thing
Take the average vaper and ask him that
Its gotta pack much steam
So Fellas (yeah) Fellas(yeah)
Has your mod got the clouds (hell yeah)
Well vape it, vape it, vape it, puff it up to God
Vaper got clouds

 

[optsmk]

IMO sub ohm vaping is fantastic. I have an Atlantis tank and a Patriot RBA that I use quite a bit. However, sub ohm vaping does have it's place. I usually use it at home or if I know I'm going to a vape shop somewhere around here. When I'm working or just out in the general public I don't usually use it. There is no way to stealth vape with it and I'm sure client's of mine don't really want me filling their office with clouds of vapor. The other downside to sub ohm vaping is the amount of juice and battery usage. The juice goes fast and the batteries don't last near as long when sub ohming.

For normal day to day use I have a Provari and a Natilus and a Nautilus Mini. They work great and my juice and batteries aren't gone in an instant.

But sub ohm vaping isn't going anywhere. It's here to stay and its really good. You get big clouds and great flavor. You just have to make sure that your gear is setup properly with the proper batteries. I have not personally heard of any big disasters happening with sub ohming. So it must be working for the majority of sub ohm vapers like me.

 

[windxrunner]

Who cares what others think.
Are you ashamed?

Maybe you don't see them because they are inside instead of being shunned out the door like tobacco users.

Perhaps you should be strong and not worry about what others think.
Show off you new toys. Invite questions. Spread knowledge.


I remember when smartphones were new and rare. No one hid them. Many were constantly showing them to others.
No they are the norm (though people still show off their latest) and flip phones are the oddity.


As long as people feel shame and hide it, vaping won't be normal, least of all to those hiding.

Idk how this person feels, really, but I do feel a similar way. It's because I'm a bit shy, a bit antisocial at times. I like human interaction when I'm with my family, my friends, people I choose to spend my time around, but most of the time the last thing I want is to strike up a conversation with a stranger. I can relate to the person you're replying to and can see where they are coming from. I don't like vaping in public. Does that mean I'm ashamed of vaping? Definitely not. I just don't like calling attention to myself for any reason. If you like to "show off your new toys," then do so, I think that's great. If you honestly enjoy interacting with strangers then more power to you, but I don't think it's right to rag on someone and imply that they are part of the problem, that they are holding vaping back, that attitudes like theirs are hurting vaping as a whole. Some people just feel uncomfortable in public and there is nothing wrong with that.

 

[T4T3Z0R]

With apologies to Sir Mix-a-Lot

I like big clouds and I can not lie
You other vapers can't deny
That when a guy walks in with an itty bitty mod
And blows a big cloud up to God
You get sprung
Wanna pull up tough
'cause you notice that liquid was puffed
Deep in the tank he's carrying
I'm hooked and I can't stop staring
Oh, vapor I wanna get with ya
And take your picture
My homeboys tried to warn me
But that vapor you got
Make Me so horney
Ooh, cloud of smooth vapors
You say you wanna taste all my flavors
Well vape me vape me 'cause you aint that average caper
I've seen them sub-ohming
To hell with all this cloning
It’s like a Jet,Wet, got it goin like a turbo vette
I'm tired of forums
Saying thin vapor is the thing
Take the average vaper and ask him that
Its gotta pack much steam
So Fellas (yeah) Fellas(yeah)
Has your mod got the clouds (hell yeah)
Well vape it, vape it, vape it, puff it up to God
Vaper got clouds

lol omg. i cant decide if i hate you for this or want to be your best friend

 

[LMS62]

Idk how this person feels, really, but I do feel a similar way. It's because I'm a bit shy, a bit antisocial at times. I like human interaction when I'm with my family, my friends, people I choose to spend my time around, but most of the time the last thing I want is to strike up a conversation with a stranger. I can relate to the person you're replying to and can see where they are coming from. I don't like vaping in public. Does that mean I'm ashamed of vaping? Definitely not. I just don't like calling attention to myself for any reason. If you like to "show off your new toys," then do so, I think that's great. If you honestly enjoy interacting with strangers then more power to you, but I don't think it's right to rag on someone and imply that they are part of the problem, that they are holding vaping back, that attitudes like theirs are hurting vaping as a whole. Some people just feel uncomfortable in public and there is nothing wrong with that.

Although your response wasn't directed at me, I have to ask....do you really believe that those who vape in public are "showing off their toys"?

 

[oldmanatc]

No more flawed than small chamber = flavor.

Though, thick, dense, massive vapor from the smallest chamber possible with plenty of air flow to make good turbulence at the coil is a fantastic start to a recipe for mind blowing, stomach curdling intense flavor.

The kind of flavor where it's so rich you have to cut it with clean base so it doesn't want to make you sick to your stomach or burn your nostrils out depending on the flavor being vaped.

I mean say what you will, but if small atty chamber was the end all, be all, cartos would have been the last real revolution in flavor chasing. The chamber's the size of the I.d. of the coil and the hole in the 510 drip tip. Doesn't get any smaller than that with what's on the market. And the sophia, diver, etc wouldn't be able to compare with no batting to reduce and nearly eliminate the chamber altogether.

Personally, I think we need to pay quite a bit more attention to what our tongues do in our mouths when we take pulls off of different setups and contemplate how that may effect our olfactory sensory perception.

For example... WattWick notices different notes... well that could be explained by different parts of the tongue responsible for different flavor categories being more or less exposed by the shape the tongue naturally takes on for different pull styles associated with different atties channeling the vape across the tongue differently.

Ever notice when people take a deep, relaxed breath, the tongue tends to get out of the way and drop to the bottom of the mouth and lie almost flat?

Or how it reacts the same when a singer bellows that high volume of low flow air to hit and hold the last high note.

But suckling tends to bring the tongue to the front for assistance as a muscle.

Or smoking cigs makes some people get their filters wet as their tongue encroached onto the front of the mouth.

Or how many people actually curl their tongues around a straw when drinking a thick milk shake.

I've noticed.

I've also noticed different tongue positions much the same in accordance with different vaping styles.

Maybe this is why every new atty or build rip trippers tries tastes better than the last one. He's trying to taste it more because it's new and he wants to describe it. Maybe ... just maybe ... He could be subcontiously skewing the results yet giving his honest impression?!?!?

I dunno.

What say you?

Or am I getting ahead of everybody? Or way too loony to comprehend?

Sent from my device.

I thought that a chuff style top was going to make dripping more convenient (which it does) but I noticed immediately when I got my Dark Horse that the wide mouth piece spreads the vapor out so wide that warmth and flavor suffer significantly. That RDA also came with a wide bore drip tip as well which made it better, but still can't compete with the thin stream of deliciousness passing over my tongue that a traditional drip tip provides. Now if I could find one that the condensate didn't accumulate in, it'd be a perfect white picket fence world.

 

[Spencer87]

yea. great... thanks for sharing.

Except... I vape at around 0.2 ohms, and i dont get big clouds.

I just prefer a hotter vape.

so sue me. whats right for me is not right for you.

just dont sit there and judge other people because you think you have the line on the proper way to vape.

 

[Ryedan]

Idk how this person feels, really, but I do feel a similar way. It's because I'm a bit shy, a bit antisocial at times. I like human interaction when I'm with my family, my friends, people I choose to spend my time around, but most of the time the last thing I want is to strike up a conversation with a stranger. I can relate to the person you're replying to and can see where they are coming from. I don't like vaping in public. Does that mean I'm ashamed of vaping? Definitely not. I just don't like calling attention to myself for any reason. If you like to "show off your new toys," then do so, I think that's great. If you honestly enjoy interacting with strangers then more power to you, but I don't think it's right to rag on someone and imply that they are part of the problem, that they are holding vaping back, that attitudes like theirs are hurting vaping as a whole. Some people just feel uncomfortable in public and there is nothing wrong with that.

Great post windxrunner . We are not all the same and a lot of people don't get that. We can however all do what we can for what we believe in, but what we do will not be the same for all of us.

 

[ST Dog]

I don't like vaping in public. Does that mean I'm ashamed of vaping? Definitely not. I just don't like calling attention to myself for any reason.

Did you also hide from the public when smoking tobacco?
I never did and never will hide what I'm doing. That was my point.

I wasn't on him for personal preferences, but that he came across as being concerned with looks from others while vaping.

Never saw that attitude from tobacco users, at least not any place I ever spent time.
No one worried what others thought of them smoking, be it a small puff from a cigarette or a big cloud from a pipe or cigar.

 

[tj99959]

Did you also hide from the public when smoking tobacco?
I never did and never will hide what I'm doing. That was my point.

I wasn't on him for personal preferences, but that he came across as being concerned with looks from others while vaping.

Never saw that attitude from tobacco users, at least not any place I ever spent time.
No one worried what others thought of them smoking, be it a small puff from a cigarette or a big cloud from a pipe or cigar.

That's because you're not Windexrunner, and that's the point.
I'm an extrovert, so I do pay attention to what others around me are using. From the car you drive, to the socks you have on, I'll notice.

I remember being like McGill and wanted a hot vape, but decided that might not be in my best interest.
I remember wanting the huge cloud, but decided that wasn't in my wallets best interest.

Everyone needs to find what they like for their own reasons. I can only say what I like, and what my reasons are.
Personally I would much rather get 3 hits/drop than use up 3 drops of liquid/hit. Have a battery last all day instead of a couple of hours.
I refuse to use ICR or LIPO batteries. Use a 10 cent wick & coil instead of a $5 replacement head. DIY my liquids at 6 cents/ml instead of buying my liquids at 60+ cents/ml.
So what it boils down to is that I took the time to LEARN HOW to get the vape I want with a 2 ohm coil at 2 amps instead of a 0.2 ohm coil at 20 amps .

 

[rhean]

I completely fail to see the purpose in picking on one another at a time when vaping itself is under attack. VERY few people vape outdoors, as very few people vape, period. This is a relatively small community, which is one of our problems.

Vaping is not in danger because people subohm. Vaping is not in danger because people use cigalikes. Vaping is in danger because we are a very small community, facing very big threats--people's already set (and justified!!!) opinion against smoking, which vaping reminds them of. Big pharma, big tobacco, who don't like us, and who have lots of money to spread that dislike.

btw I subohm, and do so on the street, and indoors, in my house. I vape where I normally would have smoked, so I'm visible, but not shocking. My face is intact. Nothing has caught on fire. I am not the problem.

argh.

 

[ST Dog]

I vape where I normally would have smoked, so I'm visible

Exactly.

Every where I would have smoked (if not for bans on smoking in some of those places) as well as every where I did (and do) smoke.

I treat vaping the same as smoking 40 years ago.