Name change for ECF

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Mrdaputer

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Ryedan

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All the negative comments that only aim to stop discussing the subject matter are sadly reaching their goal. Very few are willing to contribute in such a climate.

..and GMayberry's '' humorous'' comment '' I think that is a great post to be followed by "closed thread" is a good exemple of it.

And I know my posts didn't help either for which I apologize and I won't do that again. I was not trying to sabotage your thread.

I don't believe ECF should change their name. I understand why they chose it and this forum is ultimately theirs to run as they see fit. The success ECF has had as a forum is quite outstanding and that might not have happened if they had a different name.

There's nothing wrong with talking things over, but this topic has really, honestly, been discussed so often already it's hard for me (and likely others who have witnessed this) to take it too seriously.

Peace and vape on.
 

Asbestos4004

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The fact that it is called E-Cigarette Forum is why there's so many members...and new ones coming in everyday. As long as the world at large knows the term E-cigarette, the curious or mildly interested knows what to Google. I've never heard the media say "ban provaris" or " metro area bars looking to ban PV use"....or "No more sub-ohming in Starbucks"....
The simple name makes for an easy to find resource for future vapers.
Planet of the Vapes is an awesome name....but only people who already use e-cigs know what it is.
Curious....do you have a suggestion for the new name or were you just hoping to get a whole bunch of people to agree and click "like"?
 

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There's nothing wrong with talking things over, but this topic has really, honestly, been discussed so often already it's hard for me (and likely others who have witnessed this) to take it too seriously.

Peace and vape on.

I second that. I also apologize for my input, as it apparently didn't sit well with the OP. I truly don't see where I, or anyone else in here, either ridiculed or threatened in any way, but as classwife said, it is what it is.
 

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Thank you. That comment really contribute to the discussion. I hope your previous 7607 posts were as informative.

You're quite welcome. I just hope ya enjoy my other 7606 as much!

So much for me graphically agreeing with your first statement...
I know this has been discussed, debated and suggested many times.

Back when I was looking into vaping, Google didn't have many vaping results with 'nicotine inhaler' and none that led to the ECF. Ergo, I'm comfortable with 'e-cigarette'.

Staying with the horse analogy, it would be near impossible, and quite impractical, to switch 'in the middle of the stream' at this point in vaping history.

<time for a stein refill>
 

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Let's just say a name change isn't going to happen anytime soon, if at all.

If you ever decide to, you could still keep the name ECF and the original addy, but then have it link back to the new. You could even possibly throw up a mirror site with the new name, though my vBulletin-Fu is not strong enough to know if that is feasible. It would have to seamlessly update and merge continuously other wise it would start killing traffic.

As to the reason for doing it in the first place....my answer is "Meh". In my limited experience, once you are labeled then you are stuck with it and it takes too much energy to change it or rather valuable energy that could be applied fighting in an area that REALLY counts. In other words, it does no good to make congressmen stop using the word e-cigarette and start using the term VAPE....only to later have them demonize the word VAPE and attach a stigma to it worse than cigarettes. Choose your fights.

It reminds me of Gun Rights folks getting all bent out of shape over the poorly used term "Assault Rifle". We argued until we were blue in the face about them just being semi-automatic rifles....until the antis suddenly agreed and started demonizing magazines.
 

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until the antis suddenly agreed and started demonizing magazines.

well some magazine's need to be demonized! i mean the 'Highlights' in the doctor's office is in such a terribad condition and the 'Sports Illustrated' are always 2 years out of date!
 

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I know I've had this discussion on ECF before, and realize chances of a change are slim to none.

But I come to this thread after reading that our opposition in CA has sole purpose of making this name (cigarette) stick. So, here's my updated thoughts on this unlikely-to-ever-change name topic.

Btw, I'm basing this on the "Why It's Called an 'E-Cigarette' and 'E-Smoking' " piece (specifically the a, b and c points.

a) I think in 2011, thru maybe 2013, the average smoker wouldn't have known what vaping is. Here in 2014, I think that has changed. And here in the political year of 2014, I think it needs to change from our end as it makes a huge statement, but one that is overdue. Not changing it says to opposition, "you are right, this is a cigarette." In the 2.5 years I've been vaping, my non-vaping friends and family have changed how they reference my device without me prompting them. They will say, "what flavor are you vaping?" Or even just say, "is that your new electronic thingy." Point being, they aren't going with default of eCig anymore, and while I think it is partially myself, I really think the lexicon is changing and thus no longer accurate to say non-vaper (or smoker) would have no idea what we are talking about if we went with vaporizer and/or vaping.

b) Regarding SEO sub-topic, there would be ways to keyword 'eCigs' and 'eSmoking' (or whatever) while the name is changed. Plus there would be so much content on the site that still uses those terms that it would come up in searches. You can test this out right now, and verify what I say. Plus, the goal is to rebrand the activity, and so it is likely for another decade, it is still searchable as 'cigarette' type data, while transition is occurring. Gradually, but assertively.

c) We now have survey data (of the scientific kind) that establishes high cessation rates for smokers through these devices. For vast majority of current users, this is the sole intention for getting into vaping, and sticking with it. Myself, I am proud dual user. I enjoy moderate smoking. But I highly prefer vaping, and because of what is said in a and b, I think we no longer live in a time where we are dealing with mass ignorance from smoking community. I run into smokers daily and it has been a long time since I've run into one that was unaware of what vaping is.

But main point here, as I think is main point of OP, is that by retaining 'cigarette' in the name, we done just helped opposition with choosing to be stuck, rather than innovate to help humanity liberate.
 

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The name is cool with me.

The thing is, we of all people should not expose our prejudice about the word cigarette when used as 'e-cig' to identify a different thing entirely.

We should be proud to be called the e-cigarette-forum and use it as an opportunity to highlight to people that if a little word can ignite their prejudice and irrational thinking, well then they need to have a word with themselves.

I vape on an e-cig however big, small, or lightsabreish it happens to look that day.
 

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As mentioned by klynnn, you have to have been around a while to understand it. I'm not trying to be rude or bash your thoughts on the matter, but it has been beaten so much that it becomes almost pointless to "start it over". Another thread recently was closed by a mod and in his final comment he wrote "If there was any sign of a meaningful discussion. It has already passed..."

I am sorry to come off as opposing, but these topics tend to reach that point very quickly.

It is still a new industry. Many new people are turning or interested in turning to a harm reduction device like these. There are many many pages on ECF to read. Yes, there is a search function but it is clunky as all other thread based search systems are. If a new person wants to share their feeling on e cigarettes and vaping related equipment then so be it. Many many times things are rehashed on here. It isn't a bad thing and may help new people hwo don;t want to sift through a million posts.

No big deal. Let those who want to contribute, contribute and those that don't click off.

Personally I am glad for it because I had not seen the link Retired1 provided. I am glad it was posted.
 
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